List Mgmt. 2022 AFL Draft Discussion

[Scorpus]

Our draft haul:

Pick 17 - Max Michalanney (matched F/S)
Pick 43 - Billy Dowling
Pick 50 - Hugh Bond

Rookie Pick 5 - Andrew McPherson

36

Andrew Mcpherson

Age

25

Ht

187cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.5

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

4.5

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.5

3star

MG

118.5

2star

D

10.5

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

4.5

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.5

2star

MG

118.5

2star

D

10.5

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

4.5

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.5

4star

MG

118.5

2star

(re-listed)
Rookie Pick 21 - Paul Seedsman

11

Paul Seedsman

Age

32

Ht

190cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.3

5star

K

10.7

4star

HB

7.6

5star

M

3.9

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.5

4star

D

15.8

4star

K

8.2

3star

HB

7.6

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

4.4

5star

CL

1.8

4star

D

19.8

5star

K

14.0

5star

HB

5.8

4star

M

4.4

4star

T

2.6

4star

CL

1.4

4star

(re-listed)

 

[crow2crow]

So - rumours that we met with him (probably true, any less would be gross negligence). Some internet posters who have a rumour we like him. And a journalist who suggested we floated the idea of a future pick for him or Humphrey.

Meanwhile - we already had the assets to get him and we didn't make ANY effort to keep them. That's what we actually did.

Why didn't we? Did we not think anything else could get Rankine? Port managed to get JHF and somehow didn't have to give up an asset they needed, in Giorgiades.

We didn't even try to keep pick 5. I think either we didn't have any other options to get Rankine (which seems very unlikely), we only decided we liked Phillipou late (which seems very incompetent), or we actually think he's a risky proposition and we want to have a bit each way. Seem interested enough that we can keep an iron in the fire, so we can potentially attract him to the club if he comes good.

The last version seems most likely, because it's both backed up by the rumours and the actions.

this is so boring you have written the same thing twenty times go design a logo for a while

 

[rabidcrow]

Bingo

Same as us supposedly offering the farm for JHF, but then when he was actually on the table we didn't pony up enough. Once again Port found a way.

When Geelong wanted Dangerfield and Henderson did they take one and walk away? No, they gave us 1 first-rounder and shoved some junk down our gullet. Somehow it was our problem their eyes were bigger than their wallet.

You could've split one of our first-rounders into two and given a first and junk to GC. Then 2x firsts plus a second back for Phillipou. Or get your foot in the door for Bowes early and push GC to make him part of the Rankine trade before it went to the open market.

Our weak, uncreative drafting/trading team strikes again.

I agree with your point with the Rankine trade but the trade last year to get Dawson for effectively a second rounder and some junk was very creative and well done

I agree we seemed to lack imagination this year. Was it that GC were so pissed they lost one of their stars they refused to negotiate anything else (and given they are effectively the AFL) maybe we have pushed along for a ride

The majority of Reid’s trading since arriving at the club has been above average - but something seems amiss this year


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[Carmo]

I think a lot of us are under weighting the fact that Rankine wasn't wedded to coming home to us. We heard this from some of the GC Bigfooty-ers earlier on. Dawson was. JHF for Port was. Rankine would've stayed if they matched the pay.

I think GC actually did have the salary cap space, they just didn't want to use it because that would just repeat the mistakes they've been making paying overs and then stuffing up their list management.

With these things in mind, we couldn't hold GC over a barrel and had to play nice. In another year, maybe we would've been able to do the future pick swap thing but GC have a top academy prospect and so they've done a 2022 Bris. Have a look at their future picks, I'd say they'll trade that first rounder out too. They needed to keep their list turning over too with good prospects so I doubt they would've wanted to wait another year or three before getting some more good picks which is what happens if they take our next years pick.

 

[George Kramer]

I think a lot of us are under weighting the fact that Rankine wasn't wedded to coming home to us. We heard this from some of the GC Bigfooty-ers earlier on. Dawson was. JHF for Port was. Rankine would've stayed if they matched the pay.

I think GC actually did have the salary cap space, they just didn't want to use it because that would just repeat the mistakes they've been making paying overs and then stuffing up their list management.

With these things in mind, we couldn't hold GC over a barrel and had to play nice. In another year, maybe we would've been able to do the future pick swap thing but GC have a top academy prospect and so they've done a 2022 Bris. Have a look at their future picks, I'd say they'll trade that first rounder out too. They needed to keep their list turning over too with good prospects so I doubt they would've wanted to wait another year or three before getting some more good picks which is what happens if they take our next years pick.

We could have given them 5, we get 7, our future first goes to Geelong.

And you said it yourself, they didn’t want to pay him enough to keep him, you think that’s going to change if my scenario above was offered up?

Facts are we put 5 on the table very early, earlier than any other club has with trade negotiations. Rankine isn’t the first quality player to change clubs.

Posters might want to cut Reid slack because the go to position is back in the club at all costs but he isn’t immune from mistakes, so why take that view? I’d prefer our key staff were held to account rather than us being cheerleaders.

 

[Big Dub]

We could have given them 5, we get 7, our future first goes to Geelong.

And you said it yourself, they didn’t want to pay him enough to keep him, you think that’s going to change if my scenario above was offered up?

Facts are we put 5 on the table very early, earlier than any other club has with trade negotiations. Rankine isn’t the first quality player to change clubs.

Posters might want to cut Reid slack because the go to position is back in the club at all costs but he isn’t immune from mistakes, so why take that view? I’d prefer our key staff were held to account rather than us being cheerleaders.

I'll be a little bit pernickety, as Rankine (officially) chose Adelaide around 23 August and so the start of trade period was after 5 of the 7 weeks of the negotiations. A lot would have been sorted in the first 5 weeks.

But there were definitely options available if we wanted to give up next year's first round pick instead of pick 5 this year. Reid dropping the ball is one option, but inconsistent with prior years' negotiations for Dawson and (to a lesser extent) Hately. Rankine requiring a good deal for Gold Coast/ wanting no risk in the trade another, but it hardly got to that point. Gold Coast wanting to punish us for taking Rankine is possible, but we're hardly the first to raid them. Us valuing next year's pick over this year's pick is also possible, but then we allegedly put that and more on the table for Phillipou/ Bailey.

I don't know what the real answer is, but it looks like there's something that we haven't been told. (and yes, Reid being outplayed is a possibility, but It's one of many possibilities)

 

[Mostyn]

Yes we did 3 meetings with his father/family and his management Sports Minded/Ned Costello in the final few weeks leading up to the draft and multiple with Van Berlo during the season.

I wonder why you would meet with someone that often, unless you had big questions or concerns you needed answered about them?

The only other reason, I guess, is building a relationship for the future.

 

[Mostyn]

What was fair about us only getting one first-rounder for Dangerfield?

What isn't fair about a later first and more for a small forward?

Maybe Rankine demanded it was done early, and wanted to know we'd make things right?

To be fair Danger might have said that he wasn't taking the free agent offer and wanted to see us compensated as well. You don't really know what impact the player is having.

 

[Mutineer]

I wonder why you would meet with someone that often, unless you had big questions or concerns you needed answered about them?

The only other reason, I guess, is building a relationship for the future.

Haha, of course it wouldn't have anything to do with Hamish and his crew keeping Sam, Mattaes and his management Sports Minded informed over what efforts we were putting in to give us a shot at him.....and obviously to get their feel on interest from other clubs, nah none of that.

 

[skittlebrew]

Maybe Rankine demanded it was done early, and wanted to know we'd make things right?

To be fair Danger might have said that he wasn't taking the free agent offer and wanted to see us compensated as well. You don't really know what impact the player is having.

Rankine would care about the money, length of the contract and what his role in the team will be. He wouldn't give two shits how it gets done.

You don't know Danger if you think he cares about anyone other than himself.

 

[BRL121]

Rankine would care about the money, length of the contract and what his role in the team will be. He wouldn't give two shits how it gets done.

You don't know Danger if you think he cares about anyone other than himself.

It was reported early that Rankine did not want to go to the PSD, so not sure about your bolded.

 

[Carmo]

We could have given them 5, we get 7, our future first goes to Geelong.

And you said it yourself, they didn’t want to pay him enough to keep him, you think that’s going to change if my scenario above was offered up?

Facts are we put 5 on the table very early, earlier than any other club has with trade negotiations. Rankine isn’t the first quality player to change clubs.

Posters might want to cut Reid slack because the go to position is back in the club at all costs but he isn’t immune from mistakes, so why take that view? I’d prefer our key staff were held to account rather than us being cheerleaders.

Assuming Geelong are happy for our future first. What if they're not? Back to my point.

Didnt want to is different from absolutely wouldn't. We'd like 5 or we will keep him.

We can't do shite to hold the club accountable on this stuff from where we sit. Nowhere near enough information.

 

[George Kramer]

Assuming Geelong are happy for our future first. What if they're not? Back to my point.

Didnt want to is different from absolutely wouldn't. We'd like 5 or we will keep him.

We can't do shite to hold the club accountable on this stuff from where we sit. Nowhere near enough information.

Yeah I see Geelong passing up a high draft pick in a stronger draft plus Bowes.

We have enough info, you just need to be willing to accept it

 

[Mostyn]

Assuming Geelong are happy for our future first. What if they're not? Back to my point.

Didnt want to is different from absolutely wouldn't. We'd like 5 or we will keep him.

We can't do shite to hold the club accountable on this stuff from where we sit. Nowhere near enough information.

I get where you're coming from - but there's zero chance Rankine would have gone back. That's a million to one scenario. It just doesn't happen.

Equally - all Geelong were having to do is take on a fully fit first round draft pick, and they were able to split his money over multiple years. They would have LEAPT at a future first to do that. Gold Coast probably would have gotten multiple clubs willing to do it for a early second. Pick five was the most ludicrous overpay ever seen.

But you're right that we don't know all of the machinations.

 

[Mostyn]

Yeah I see Geelong passing up a high draft pick in a stronger draft plus Bowes.

We have enough info, you just need to be willing to accept it

I think either they're incompetent, or they actually valued their 2023 first round pick higher than they're letting on.

 

[Mutineer]

From today's Addy..

As I suspected it looks like Huey was drafted for his versatility to play both midfield and half back with his ability to lockdown and close his opponent out.

In the deep end​

The Crows new draftees were also in the thick of the action.
Father-son selection Max Michalanney had some good moments in defence, impressing with his intercept marking.
No. 43 pick Billy Dowling played in the midfield along with Hugh Bond, who also spent some time at half-back.
Bond, pick 50 in the national draft, ended up running with reigning Club Champion Rory Laird in what was a big task for the youngster.

 

[skittlebrew]

It was reported early that Rankine did not want to go to the PSD, so not sure about your bolded.

Of course he doesn't but it doesn't factor into anything.

If we're paying you $500k + for a few years we will get the deal done how we like, thank you very much.

 

[Mostyn]

Of course he doesn't but it doesn't factor into anything.

If we're paying you $500k + for a few years we will get the deal done how we like, thank you very much.

I presume he was worried Essendon would take him in the PSD.

 

[Carmo]

Yeah I see Geelong passing up a high draft pick in a stronger draft plus Bowes.

We have enough info, you just need to be willing to accept it

I get where you're coming from - but there's zero chance Rankine would have gone back. That's a million to one scenario. It just doesn't happen.

Equally - all Geelong were having to do is take on a fully fit first round draft pick, and they were able to split his money over multiple years. They would have LEAPT at a future first to do that. Gold Coast probably would have gotten multiple clubs willing to do it for a early second. Pick five was the most ludicrous overpay ever seen.

But you're right that we don't know all of the machinations.

Sigh.... what draft year was Jhye Clark available, 2022 or 2023?

Also, why would randoms that live on the GC and GC ITK's come on here halfway through last season and give us inside intel that Rankine was def considering going home but also not that fussed? If they were trolling surely they just say he's not coming home? Seems weird to say that. Seems far simpler to think that it was just honest info they had that they passed on.

 

[George Kramer]

Sigh.... what draft year was Jhye Clark available, 2022 or 2023?

Also, why would randoms that live on the GC and GC ITK's come on here halfway through last season and give us inside intel that Rankine was def considering going home but also not that fussed? If they were trolling surely they just say he's not coming home? Seems weird to say that. Seems far simpler to think that it was just honest info they had that they passed on.

You know Geelong received pick 7 and Bowes for **** all right? And they were able to spread Bowes contract over 4 years so the AFL will now change the rules? And that they were into Bowes all year?

They were not walking away from Bowes and a top 10 pick next, Clark or no Clark.

It’s just commonsense Carmo, you’re flogging a dead horse trying to argue otherwise.

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

Sigh.... what draft year was Jhye Clark available, 2022 or 2023?

Also, why would randoms that live on the GC and GC ITK's come on here halfway through last season and give us inside intel that Rankine was def considering going home but also not that fussed? If they were trolling surely they just say he's not coming home? Seems weird to say that. Seems far simpler to think that it was just honest info they had that they passed on.

Were they ITK?

I think there was just a bunch of gc fans in denial

 

[Panther Blood]

@crowtocrow

Hai Alex

Use your own handle, you p*ss me off with this alias shyte, we all know ...

FFS.

 

[crow2crow]

@crowtocrow

Hai Alex

Hi Sanders where you been hiding? .... seriously not Alex. Can somebody actually post something the mystical Alex actually said?

 

[briztoon]

Were they ITK?

I think there was just a bunch of gc fans in denial

Every club board has a genuine ITK or two. GC's has a couple.

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

Every club board has a genuine ITK or two. GC's has a couple.

I didn’t say they didn’t

 

[Jeffcrowe]

I don't quite understand this.
He's allegedly well below 5 in this draft, which is supposed to be much worse than next year's, so how would he rate 5 in next year's?

Bumping this

Phillipou would go pick 2 in this years 2023 draft … quite clear after Harley Reid

Pick 10 last year one of the biggest draft steals I’ve seen