List Mgmt. 2022 AFL Draft & Rookie Draft

[Aphrodite]

 

[thylacine60]

Yeah was situation based that trade. Usually if I was the list manager I would have tried to put a premium on 11. But with my earlier than planned play Phillpou been off the board, and looking at the gap from 11 to gws I wagered the 10 picks earlier 2nd would have a greater impact over taken 8 picks later 11.

So i wagered Holland's Hewett would fall in that scenario based on the open list needs of 13 to 16, worked out on the end. Was reluctant to trade a future first based on my board for 23 has KP players 15 to 25 so figured that maybe of use once we ascertain the durability of our own back up there. Was a good fun exercise. But tried to be realistic if it was me I would take Humphrey but I don't feel Carlton are into him personally. But when I did that trade I had Hewett/Holland's/Cowan and Hotton/George/Clarke pencilled in to finish it off. So feel them 2 combos still would be better than 11 and 29

Hope that explains my pomlogic

pomster, why carlton?

 

[Jeremias]

Yeah was situation based that trade. Usually if I was the list manager I would have tried to put a premium on 11. But with my earlier than planned play Phillpou been off the board, and looking at the gap from 11 to gws I wagered the 10 picks earlier 2nd would have a greater impact over taken 8 picks later 11.

So i wagered Holland's Hewett would fall in that scenario based on the open list needs of 13 to 16, worked out on the end. Was reluctant to trade a future first based on my board for 23 has KP players 15 to 25 so figured that maybe of use once we ascertain the durability of our own back up there. Was a good fun exercise. But tried to be realistic if it was me I would take Humphrey but I don't feel Carlton are into him personally. But when I did that trade I had Hewett/Holland's/Cowan and Hotton/George/Clarke pencilled in to finish it off. So feel them 2 combos still would be better than 11 and 29

Hope that explains my pomlogic

Well done Pom. Not sure we do it on draft night, but I agree with you - think it's a great trade and I would do exactly the same, including taking Hollands and Hotton.

I would very happily take either at 11 so to walk away with both on draft night would be a fantastic result.

Also love the Van Es pick, I'm pretty high on him and think he represents real value at 35. There's a lot of love for Busslinger on this board but I'd be much happier taking a small (or two) in the first round and Van Es in the second.

If we came out of the draft with those three I'd be very, very happy.

 

[katmanblue]

If phillipou is gone a trade back of hewett and george would be ideal, i know he's done an acl but the kids a jet.

Hewett and George can join George Hewett.

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[thylacine60]

couldn't give a rats who we take, just gettem, puttem in navy, build em up fast and strong and unleash the mongrels...........that is all.......

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

I'm thinking of how we started building the list in 2015 and going tall first because they take longer to come on.

I believe we are at the stage where we can create the next generation under our current crop. Either they come on quick and replace someone to incrementally improve our team, or they take longer but come in for injuries and retirements.

I saw that in Knightmare's ESPN early phantom, he had us taking Busslinger, Gruzewski and Gillbee.

KPD, KPF and the outside runner who came second to Hollands in the time trial.

I must admit I am a little shy about taking wingers in the first round after taking LOB at #10 and whether we are getting the value out of that.

I like the idea of Kemp not having to play as a KPP any more too.

 

[BlueJet]

I really have a problem with posters embracing reaching for Busslinger or Hayes with our first and at the same time dismissing Jefferson.

We have considerably more defensive tall coverage than key forward coverage. I don’t particularly want to use our first on a key position player. We need more real run in the team and are likely to part company with a number of midfield depth players at the end of 2023, so mid for me. However, if we were to have the choice of Busslinger, Hayes or Jefferson, it would definitely be the forward. He performed admirably this year and has an excellent frame to build on, along with enough quality athletic traits. Will be “a player”.

We need key position depth at both ends, but not at the top end of the draft. Our pillars have 5-7 years of good footy left in them.

I see Hayes as projecting better at AFL level.
As such, I'd select him rather than going for the KPF just because we'd like another KPF - that's the beauty of opinions though and really, that you have a problem with differing takes is odd.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

I see Hayes as projecting better at AFL level.
As such, I'd select him rather than going for the KPF just because we'd like another KPF - that's the beauty of opinions though and really, that you have a problem with differing takes is odd.

We have more key forward options than we think. Lewis Young was a forward as a junior and the one brief period we threw him in as a ruck/forward he looked dangerous.

Gov of course. Even Weiter's played forward a lot as a junior. Hold fire on that last one ... I know, I know.

Point is, unlike Charlie and Harry, most of our talls are quasi-swingmen. Keep the most in form tall defenders in defence and use the others to plug any forward holes that come up.

 

[Coona Blues]

I see Hayes as projecting better at AFL level.
As such, I'd select him rather than going for the KPF just because we'd like another KPF - that's the beauty of opinions though and really, that you have a problem with differing takes is odd.

Really? The post was on the back of a moderator setting up a poll of possible initial picks at the draft. He gave two options for key defenders and none for key forwards and was questioned by another poster as to why. The moderator was then dismissive of the poster thus prompting my response.

Apologies if the post was too subtle for you, however I recently copped a still unexplained week’s suspension for differing in opinion to a moderator and was attempting to not be provocative. Situation no win on here…

 

[La Dispute]

I’ll be spewing if one of Humphrey, Hewett or Philippou are available and we opt for Hollands - if he hasn’t already gone.

Bringing in Acres minimises the need for another wing IMO. One of LOB or Cottrell should hopefully come on and occupy another wing.

Biggest area of need is for another dynamic half-forward who can push into the midfield.

I’d also probably take Hotton over Hollands as an overall prospect. Feel he’s a little underrated in this draft pool and has some real forward nous to go along with a good all-round midfield game. Still really reminds me of Andy Brayshaw - very good footy IQ and nice skills.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Apologies if the post was too subtle for you, however I recently copped a still unexplained week’s suspension for differing in opinion to a moderator and was attempting to not be provocative. Situation no win on here…

I just had a look at your most recent suspension. It wasn't for holding a different opinion to a moderator and the reason was given in the action.

The particular subject matter is one that BigFooty in general has declared zero tolerance for.

 

[Triniboy]

Busslinger, Allan and Hustwaite for me

 

[BlueJet]

I’ll be spewing if one of Humphrey, Hewett or Philippou are available and we opt for Hollands - if he hasn’t already gone.

Bringing in Acres minimises the need for another wing IMO. One of LOB or Cottrell should hopefully come on and occupy another wing.

Biggest area of need is for another dynamic half-forward who can push into the midfield.

I’d also probably take Hotton over Hollands as an overall prospect. Feel he’s a little underrated in this draft pool and has some real forward nous to go along with a good all-round midfield game. Still really reminds me of Andy Brayshaw - very good footy IQ and nice skills.

I understand the appeal of each of those you've noted & if it clicks for any, watch out but I see them as being too boom/bust for my liking at the next level.
Hollands probably doesn't have the x-factor of some of the others around the mark but I have more confidence in him making the grade overall, I see him as an upgrade on Lob & Cotters and will be able to push inside as well.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

I’ll be spewing if one of Humphrey, Hewett or Philippou are available and we opt for Hollands - if he hasn’t already gone.

Bringing in Acres minimises the need for another wing IMO. One of LOB or Cottrell should hopefully come on and occupy another wing.

Biggest area of need is for another dynamic half-forward who can push into the midfield.

I’d also probably take Hotton over Hollands as an overall prospect. Feel he’s a little underrated in this draft pool and has some real forward nous to go along with a good all-round midfield game. Still really reminds me of Andy Brayshaw - very good footy IQ and nice skills.

We can also start start our own premier clothing brand if we drafted son of Trent -

HOTTON ON

I'll see myself out !

 

[thylacine60]

ffs

 

[La Dispute]

I understand the appeal of each of those you've noted & if it clicks for any, watch out but I see them as being too boom/bust for my liking at the next level.
Hollands probably doesn't have the x-factor of some of the others around the mark but I have more confidence in him making the grade overall, I see him as an upgrade on Lob & Cotters and will be able to push inside as well.

I have as much faith as Hewett making it than Hollands - probably moreso. One of the most naturally gifted players in this years pool.

Humphrey has the highest ceiling of all three, but I don’t think his floor is that low. For positional need he’d be my preferred option if available.

Phillipou I like but it’s hard to know exactly how his game translates to AFL. Could be another Setterfield or Kyle Langford. Great prospect overall though.

The wing is an area we need to build depth in, but that doesn’t necessarily mean we target a specialist wing if there are better overall players available - many of which also suit our needs.

It’s interesting to note how many of the consensus best wingers were taken with later picks. Amon, Seedsman, Langdon etc. We also have the option of bringing in a specialist wing with one of our later selections, and this is where Austin is really going to earn his stripes.

We have LOB on our list who was taken at roughly the same spot in the draft as our current pick. Sometimes choosing players for specific roles doesn’t always work out the way you think it will. He also came to the club with a god tier fitness albeit without Holland’s IQ. (But a much better kick)

I don’t think this is the draft you overthink player roles and assume their junior form will translate. Naturally there is some trade off between positional requirements and talent, but I’d be leaning towards getting the most talented in. To me that’s Humphrey, Hewett or Phillipou.

 

[La Dispute]

We can also start start our own premier clothing brand if we drafted son of Trent -

HOTTON ON

I'll see myself out !

Always had a bit of time for Trent Hotton.

Wasn’t a star and came at an awkward time when Allen jetted off to Essendon, but battled pretty well for a couple of years.

I’d be happy to take Olli Hotton at 10 tbh, I really like him as a footballer. Just looks like the kind of guy that’ll eke 150-200 games and be a really good complimentary mid eg Jordan Lewis. Very neat little player.

Maybe we could trade back and grab him and Konstanty as a couple of late first round picks.

 

[Sheephead]

After digesting Pom’s draft - I’d take Hewett or Humphrey at 11 before doing such a big trade back. I’d maybe consider a smaller trade back if I was confident of getting Hayes and George or Barnett. Hollands and Hotton falling to 20ish says something to me. Don’t think they benefit us much at all.

 

[TerryWallet]

Some say Hollands is a reach at 11, some say Hotton is a reach, some say Hayes is a reach, some say Allen is a reach, some say George is a reach etc etc

None of them are reaches. Half a dozen perceived places in the group think is not a reach nor a slide.

I remember Cripps being a reach. I remember Zac Butters being a reach. I remember Andrew Brayshaw

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2.1

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18.4

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7.6

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being a reach.

Whoever we pick, unless it's Josh Bootsma or someone called Finbar, it will just be a judgement call on a player within a range that will be proven right or wrong.

In the meantime, it's good entertainment for us all reading each others informed opinions.


And to participate in the merriment, i think Hewett is a reach at 11 personally.

 

[Big Delut]

Always had a bit of time for Trent Hotton.

Wasn’t a star and came at an awkward time when Allen jetted off to Essendon, but battled pretty well for a couple of years.

Hotton was delisted at the end of 2002, whereas Allan didn't leave for Essendon until after 2003

 

[La Dispute]

Hotton was delisted at the end of 2002, whereas Allan didn't leave for Essendon until after 2003

My bad, I suspect Allen might have been injured circa 2001 which is why Hotton was first ruck then.

 

[Gingerbread man]

Matthew Jefferson is the one I want

 

[bluesDeluxe]

Not sure why we would pay a premium for a player like hollands, when we could pick up binns or edmends later on

Take George or Jefferson with the first pick.

 

[TENACIOUS]

Keeler is the classic boom or bust type. His ceiling is peak Paddy Ryder, his basement is a weekend champion up the bush who doesn’t work during the week.

Barnett is ruck first, but certainly has the capability of playing key position at either end. Has the profile to be a star, but we really are not in the market for a ruck and would largely be wasted as a KPP.

Lemmey, I won’t write off, but doesn’t seem combative enough. If forced to judge, I would consider a Schache type, who could eventually play a role at the level, but unlikely to be a gun.

Foster is absolutely on my radar. Hasn’t had the press of others, but his performances in the carnival were admirable. Played more as a KPF at SANFL colts level. Got his chance in the first championships game when Barnett had Covid. Rather than push Keeler to a prime ruck role, Foster was asked to play number one ruck, a foreign role. He played admirably. Under sized, his leap allowed him to get the better of the ruck contest. Competitive, not dominant around the ground, he took a good share of grabs, and was not outdone. The fact that he is also prepared to get down and dirty at ground level with some very tenacious efforts was the sealer for me. In racing terms, he is a big, leggy early three year old, just growing in to his frame. May grow taller than the 197cm he is at the moment.

I am not saying Foster will be a superstar. I do suggest he can be a very valuable list piece. I am assessing that our list does not need another gun key forward at the top level. We need a bankable, combative young player to provide a target in the twos and develop in to an AFL quality back up. I see that with Foster. He does not have the hype of Lemmey or Scully out if the SA system, but consistently kicked multiple goals as a key forward target. The bonus that I see is his ability to ruck to a decent standard. Pitto is still our no.1 ruck, but we are all hoping TDK goes to that next level to usurp him in coming seasons. Having a player I see Foster becoming to assume a second ruck, third tall forward role would be a dream for mine. Let us say the Levi replacement many want to appear out of thin air. The best way to get that player is to develop him.

I mentioned Foster’s willingness to compete at ground level. He presents around the ground, and there is plenty to suggest he could become a defensive option as well. He perhaps doesn’t have the athleticism to be a star, but a genuine swingman who can ruck is a very valuable commodity.

You missed Scully...
In the right environment he could be a star, could be the steal of the draft and good value at pick 30 or 49...

 

[BlueTongue]

just want someone who Can kick.

Cal Twomey’s October revision of the Phantom Draft is out and there have been a few changes in the top 10. He has Cam McKenzie at pick 10. Can’t say I’d be disappointed with that choice.

Cal Twomey's Phantom Form Guide: Top draft prospects' October ranking

AFL.com.au's draft guru Cal Twomey rates the performances of 30 of 2022's top draft prospects

www.afl.com.au

 

[Monty1978]

just want someone who Can kick.

Cal Twomey’s October revision of the Phantom Draft is out and there have been a few changes in the top 10. He has Cam McKenzie at pick 10. Can’t say I’d be disappointed with that choice.

Cal Twomey's Phantom Form Guide: Top draft prospects' October ranking

AFL.com.au's draft guru Cal Twomey rates the performances of 30 of 2022's top draft prospects

www.afl.com.au

We are pick 11 mate as Ashcroft doesn’t really count because of father son selection