List Mgmt. 2022 AFL Draft & Rookie Draft

[Aphrodite]

 

[La Dispute]

Where does Busslinger actually fit in our team if we were to select him? Some have been saying play Young as a forward but that seems unrealistic to me. Then you still have Gov vs Marchy competing for spots as I don't think we can play both of them with Weiters and Young. Then you also throw Busslinger into the mix?

Seems like a waste of a top 10 (11) pick when an outside mid like Hollands or KPF like Jefferson is personally more of a list need. (don't get me wrong I still want more KPD depth but later in the draft or with an SSP recruit)

McGovern and Marchbank are odds on not to make it unfortunately.

McGovern has played 12 games in 2 seasons, Marchbank has played 4. They are continually injured and can’t be penciled in as long term players until they show they are capable of playing out a season.

Good teams succession plan and continue building talent across all parts of the field. It’s not a strong draft - if Busslinger is available he’s a good choice as one of few premium players in this draft pool.

Busslinger would be our version of Harrison Petty. Taking the 3rd best forward until he’s capable of handling bigger jobs.

I’m all for taking him tbh.

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

Better players available at that pick.

If we can engineer a situation we can get Hollands while also bringing in a late 1st/early 2nd that’d be the perfect result.

Better players or player you consider to have more talent?

Hollands has excelled at every level he has played at. I expect that to continue.

If we don’t take him at 10 he won’t last much longer.

 

[MITSUHIRATO]

I'm 100% certain we are locked in for Hollands.

But now I think if GC trade their F1 to get in before us ... they'll pip us for Hollands.

 

[La Dispute]

Better players or player you consider to have more talent?

Hollands has excelled at every level he has played at. I expect that to continue.

If we don’t take him at 10 he won’t last much longer.

Both.

How many levels has Hollands played at? The better TAC Cup players don’t necessarily go on to become gun AFL players - look at Dow.

I’m saying if we believe he will be available at a later selection then we’d be best served trading back and adding another early pick. Similar to Kemp in his draft year.

 

[The Bighouse]

I'm 100% certain we are locked in for Hollands.

But now I think if GC trade their F1 with WCE for Pick 8 as is being floated ... they'll pip us for Hollands.

If only GCFC had pick#7…

 

[JuddgementDay]

Bounce the ball already!


In the meantime, here's my armchair expert view...

Hopefully, a late bolter like Allan goes in the top10 and we end up with a slider.

Ideally, I would like us to draft Phillipou with #10

But, if Phillipou is not available, then I would trade #10 (plus 29) with GWS/ Syd for two teen picks.
Which should give us two good players: Maybe a tall and a small.

If the trade cannot be done for whatever reason, I would prefer for us to pick the best tall available, which will be the best tall that our recruitment team have identified. My preferred order: Jefferson, Busslinger, Hayes.
Maybe it's a reach, but it doesn't matter as we've ended up with the 2nd best tall in this draft.

 

[Stamos]

I'm 100% certain we are locked in for Hollands.

But now I think if GC trade their F1 to get in before us ... they'll pip us for Hollands.

Which team this year would be willing to let their top 10 pick go for a future 1st?

 

[macky99]

I'm 100% certain we are locked in for Hollands.

But now I think if GC trade their F1 to get in before us ... they'll pip us for Hollands.

Really do you have a crystal ball?
Our pick is totally dependant on what other teams do, sure we will have a few in the mix going into the draft, depends if any of the highly rated players slip down the order

 

[Jeremias]

Hmmm...shall we see what the masses want done with pick 29?

 

[GT619]

McGovern and Marchbank are odds on not to make it unfortunately.

McGovern has played 12 games in 2 seasons, Marchbank has played 4. They are continually injured and can’t be penciled in as long term players until they show they are capable of playing out a season.

Good teams succession plan and continue building talent across all parts of the field. It’s not a strong draft - if Busslinger is available he’s a good choice as one of few premium players in this draft pool.

Busslinger would be our version of Harrison Petty. Taking the 3rd best forward until he’s capable of handling bigger jobs.

I’m all for taking him tbh.

Same it's more about long term than for now

 

[mrkyuss]

Yep trying to build for a flag tilt in five years…

 

[La Dispute]

Yep trying to build for a flag tilt in five years…

Didn’t take Sam DeKoning long to become a gun defender.

He’s now a premiership player.

We should have the same expectations of Busslinger if we take him.

 

[Jeremias]

Didn’t take Sam DeKoning long to become a gun defender.

He’s now a premiership player.

We should have the same expectations of Busslinger if we take him.

There shouldn’t be any such expectations.

All players develop at different rates. Most key position players take a few years to really find their feet.

Plenty of top KPDs have taken a while to develop into the top players they became.

 

[La Dispute]

There shouldn’t be any such expectations.

All players develop at different rates. Most key position players take a few years to really find their feet.

Plenty of top KPDs have taken a while to develop into the top players they became.

That’s pretty much the point.

SDK took a few years developing in the VFL, came up and was ready to play AFL footy.

There’s plenty of examples of young key defenders taken in the first round who come in and are AFL quality - at worst - in a couple of years. Weitering, Lever, Naughton, SDK.

Gibcus looks really promising already, as does Sam Darcy.

They start playing minor roles early on and then transition into playing on better players and gradually move up the pecking order as they get better and gain confidence beating 2nd and 3rd talls in their defensive 50.

There’s a clear line of development that has been tried and tested, and we now have a couple of pillars in defence in Weitering and Young to take the bigger forwards while a prospective key defender develops behind them.

 

[Jeremias]

That’s pretty much the point.

SDK took a few years developing in the VFL, came up and was ready to play AFL footy.

There’s plenty of examples of young key defenders taken in the first round who come in and are AFL quality - at worst - in a couple of years. Weitering, Lever, Naughton, SDK.

Gibcus looks really promising already, as does Sam Darcy.

They start playing minor roles early on and then transition into playing on better players and gradually move up the pecking order as they get better and gain confidence beating 2nd and 3rd talls in their defensive 50.

There’s a clear line of development that has been tried and tested, and we now have a couple of pillars in defence in Weitering and Young to take the bigger forwards while a prospective key defender develops behind them.

Each to their own of course, but I've never been a fan of supporter, or worse media, generated performance metrics or comparisons.

Players develop at different rates, are drafted to clubs in different phases, play different roles etc.

The only performance metric I really care about is games played. Not at AFL level - at any level. It shouldn't be a concern if we draft someone like Busslinger and come his 4th year he's only played a handful of senior games.

Yet you just know people (on here, in the media etc.) will jump up and down bemoaning we didn't take someone who has inevitably made a more immediate impact.

If he's stayed fit in that time frame he's played 50+ games at VFL level honing his craft and more importantly developing his body.

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

McGovern and Marchbank are odds on not to make it unfortunately.

I'm still feeling positive about Gov's future.
If Russell fixes him like Willo finally recovered after years of chronic injury, then Marchy and Busslinger are excess.
Hope we draft for fast ball movement into the forward 50 and a hybrid/dynamic goal kicker this year.

 

[My Hat]

Totally agree that confidence and arrogance are two very different things. Consider Motlop. He seems to have plenty of self-confidence to back himself on the field despite being only a first year player, but he doesn't come across as arrogant at all.

Thinking about this some more:

• Confidence is an opinion about your abilities
• Self-esteem is an opinion about your worth
• Arrogance is an opinion about your worth compared to others

 

[The Return of the Paf]

Really do you have a crystal ball?
Our pick is totally dependant on what other teams do, sure we will have a few in the mix going into the draft, depends if any of the highly rated players slip down the order

MITSUHIRATO may choose to laugh at this post but having players 'locked' in in an open draft is not a laughing matter, it suggests groupthink.

 

[Revenant1965]

11 days to go...

 

[Pinnell]

McGovern and Marchbank are odds on not to make it unfortunately.

Contract year for McGovern. He’s guaranteed to play the best season of his life. I think Marchbank can too

 

[BigBreakfast]

No he wasn't ..Ive met Greg ..did a running session with him once at aberfeldie park .he is anything but arrogant .. more quiet and Introvert

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On the football field, he was not really introverted.

 

[BigBreakfast]

Those guys you listed are top 10 players of all time. Would almost be strange if they weren't FIGJAMs.

They were so good, they were dominating the league in their first seasons (often as a 22/23yo after playing 4 years of college*). They were already national superstars when drafted

An elite junior Aussie rules player is joining at 18yo and is in most cases at the bottom of the totem pole at his AFL club.

I agree that a degree of confidence/arrogance is almost needed in elite sport, but in AFL you need enough humility to realise you are no longer top dog at AFL level and you basically need to prove yourself from scratch.





* inb4 someone points out Kobe was drafted out of high school.

Of course. They became Top 10 of all time but had that extreme level of confidence from a very early age in their sporting development. All the kids who I played against or coached that went on to make it, they had that bit of arrogance about them that separated them from the pack. The knowledge that when push comes to shove they will be the ones standing.

 

[BigFrizz36]

I'm still feeling positive about Gov's future.
If Russell fixes him like Willo finally recovered after years of chronic injury, then Marchy and Busslinger are excess.
Hope we draft for fast ball movement into the forward 50 and a hybrid/dynamic goal kicker this year.

I also don't run with the "McGovern and Marchbank are always injured and always will be" line.

Surely we should have drafted a key forward last year because Charlie is always injured and always will be?

Maybe recruiting department liaises with injury department to get a genuine feel about their overall chances of remaining injury free. Plenty of examples of players considered fragile who came good to be solid contributors like Grimes. Angus Bratshaw and said Charlie Curnow.

 

[BigBreakfast]

Agree. There is a fine balance and we definitely need someone with a bit of swagger, but don’t want someone who thinks he is better than everyone.

In a football context, that’s exactly what I want!

 

[Revenant1965]

Contract year for McGovern. He’s guaranteed to play the best season of his life. I think Marchbank can too

Looking at List and Contract Status thread, is there anything in that it looks like 17 players are OOC next year...? Is it a sign...?