List Mgmt. 2022 AFL Draft

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[Tibbs]

I'll disagree with your last point, it's easily the worst and most hopeless position I've seen our club in. Stuck in a mid table, stale, depressing, boring, mediocrity accepting rut, after 18 years since success with no end in sight, with a board and coaching staff we are powerless to change that are breeding this issue.

To the first point, I remember how it felt in 1991, when on the back of 3 premierships, the world was ending with us finishing 5th.

I am no Hinkley apologist, or facebook happy-clapper - I just am always a glass-half-full kinda person. And while I respect your views as a long-time poster, I just am staggered at this type of mentality!

I too have come to detest Hinkley, lost respect for Richo, and want Koch out of the place. Very frustrating to see them holding us back, and we can clearly see that they are. But, the CLUB is not them! The CLUB includes the 60,000 members, all our sponsors, all our players, and the rest of the team supporting them. It now includes our Women's team, and IMO is in a very sound position, one that now will only get better.

We just have ONE element to change ... The unholy Trinity!

It WILL happen!

 

[240volt]

The main reason we finished 11th this year is our list isn’t good enough.
We have improved our list and if players like Sim and some others can get on the playing field we will IMO be playing finals this year.
Posters on this forum have Ken on the brain thinking his demise will make everything good.
Apart from the year we won the premiership the rest is painful and depressing final’s performances and that was before Hinkley stepped foot in SA.

 

[Bevoman]

The main reason we finished 11th this year is our list isn’t good enough.
We have improved our list and if players like Sim and some others can get on the playing field we will IMO be playing finals this year.
Posters on this forum have Ken on the brain thinking his demise will make everything good.
Apart from the year we won the premiership the rest is painful and depressing final’s performances and that was before Hinkley stepped foot in. SA.

Last year our injuries exposed out lack of depth, particularly in defence.
But do not forget the previous two years we made a Prelim.

With more depth and an easier draw, I expect we play finals next year.
If we get some luck; hopefully, another Prelim awaits us.

I agree Posters focus to much on Ken demise; albeit, I alos want Ken gone and I have no delusions about an instant fix.

Ken has developed players like Marshall and the players love him.
However, we need a new coach because Ken has been there long enough and did not win a flag.

 

[tribey]

2011 was horrific, that was the definition of hopeless that year.

We are a chance next year. We were lucky just to be competitive that year.

A 10 goal flogging at home to the 10th placed dogs was celebrated because butcher kicked a few and it was an improvement on the 138 and 165 point losses we had the 2 weeks earlier.

No one turned up to games and we had embarrassing major sponsors.

On the verge of folding.

Yet you think now is easily the most hopeless position the club has ever been in?

Khan


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I mean, onfield it was objectively diabolical, especially by Port Adelaide standards, but all the structural and governance problems that led to that nadir were rectified by the middle of that same year.

The idea that we were going to float down the Derwent, or fold, or other doomsday scenarios were a Graham Cornes-Michelangelo Rucci fever dream sparked from weird motives.

 

[Willsy10]

I mean, onfield it was objectively diabolical, especially by Port Adelaide standards, but all the structural and governance problems that led to that nadir were rectified by the middle of that same year.

The idea that we were going to float down the Derwent, or fold, or other doomsday scenarios were a Graham Cornes-Michelangelo Rucci fever dream sparked from weird motives.

I dunno, I remember feeling completely hopeless that entire season. Went into every game expecting to not only lose but get flogged. Some pretty miserable Sunday afternoons at pleurisy park. 2012 wasn’t much better. We were poo, and a complete laughing stock. I hated it. That entire 2008-12 period was depressing.

Whilst right now we still haven’t got that second flag we’ve been chasing we are in a much stronger position to do so all round. On field, off field.

It’s not in anyway an excuse for how far we’ve underachieved in recent years but comparably I’m filled with much more hope right now.


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[shewho]

Out if curiosity, with the picks we had, who would've done something different? Perhaps Lemmy at 36? If we took Lemmey at 36 then we probably wouldn’t have gone Scully for our next pick or would we have?

I posted my remaining draft board on Tuesday before night 2 of the draft (post #2691).

I would have taken Hustwaite at #36 (he went next pick), Bid on Munkara at #53 (but Essendon would have matched), Scully at #54 (but maybe knowing Essendon would match, and the need for height, I may have taken Scully at 53), and I would have taken Phillips at #59/#60.

So I got Hustwaite, Scully and Phillips.

 

[JimmyBC]

On the verge of folding is a bit dramatic, Demetriou love or hate him was in our corner.

 

[robbo1981]

Interesting they were on Lemmey from a long way out .

 

[robbo1981]

Ideally I would have had Lemmey with our first and still taken the other 2.

 

[Jonts]

Following
Who was on my board ranking and available at our picks
Hustwaite
Scully
Magor would be our 3 picks

I wouldve been tempted to pick Marshall though as he was the next kpd available

 

[Ford Fairlane]

 

[Powerage]

I would like to, in advance, offer my heartfelt condolences to Aliir Aliir

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Aliir Aliir

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30

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194cm

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96kg

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Last 5

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15.2

4star

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9.3

4star

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5.9

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5.2

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1.9

4star

MG

240.9

4star

D

11.0

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

5.0

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.0

3star

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13.0

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6.4

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6.6

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3.8

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2.0

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158.4

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for the next 2 seasons at least, possibly the rest of his career. Maybe the list managers should offer their apologies to you as well.

You will now be the only 195cm+ KPD, who is somehow expected to play intercepting key defender AND being at every marking context where there is an opposition power forward. Given the likely continued downhill slide/injuries to Jonas Clurey and McKenzie, its a tall order. That's assuming you don't get injured in the next few years.

What is fact is this:

1. We didn't draft a defender over 82 kg. Marshall, at 79kg, won't be ready to play on a power forward for at least 2-3 years without getting ragdolled even if he is fast and athletic. I am not sure when or if McCallum, at 192cm and 82kg, will be able to play on a power forward.
   
   
2. Looking back to the trade period, we chose to keep every one of our ridiculously long list of hbf's which could have moved us up the draft, or given an extra pick, to land us the likes of Hayes, Van Es, Hustwaite, Adams or Phillips etc instead of, or in addition to, McCallum. They all would have provided Key Defender depth in 2023 at the very least. They are genuine talls, and most are more advanced physically than the defenders we drafted.
   
   
3. Pasini, as promising as he is, won't be back until midseason, is 193cm and is listed at 82kg.

Best of luck to you for the foreseeable future Aliir, Neo (the One) . FFS don't get injured, wrap yourself in cotton wool.

 

[240volt]

Can’t understand the complaining about not drafting Phillips.
Any team could have picked him up with a nothing pick but decided to pass on him.
Even with a lot of defenders drafted he still couldn’t get a nose pick.
You can’t be spot on all the time but in general our drafting has been one of the most positive sides of the Hinkley era.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

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I was watching their picks during the first round the other night;

Sandringham picks 2,3,7
Oakleigh picks........ 4,5,15,18

 

[Powerage]

Can’t understand the complaining about not drafting Phillips.
Any team could have picked him up with a nothing pick but decided to pass on him.
Even with a lot of defenders drafted he still couldn’t get a nose pick.
You can’t be spot on all the time but in general our drafting has been one of the most positive sides of the Hinkley era.

FFS. You could also say any team could have picked Marshall with a nothing pick, but no one did except for us with the last pick of the draft. Our project defender.

Not every team was looking for key defenders as an absolute priority. We were. For the next season at least our depth defenders over 193cm are going to be the 78kg Kyle Marshall and Ollie Lord. Maybe Marshall will prove to be the better long term choice, but it leave the cupboard pretty ****ing bare for the next season at least.

Phillips won the most promising young player in the VFL this season as a 198cm, 90kg key defender, remembering that the last 15 recipients of that same award have gone on to play AFL football. So I don't think it is unreasonable to ask, why not choose the more physically ready to go defender given our circumstances?

Its a damn shame we didn't delist one more player and have one more nothing pick. We could have grabbed Marshall and Phillips then.

 

[Saltiga]

I would like to, in advance, offer my heartfelt condolences to Aliir Aliir for the next 2 seasons at least, possibly the rest of his career. Maybe the list managers should offer their apologies to you as well.

You will now be the only 195cm+ KPD, who is somehow expected to play intercepting key defender AND being at every marking context where there is an opposition power forward. Given the likely continued downhill slide/injuries to Jonas Clurey and McKenzie, its a tall order. That's assuming you don't get injured in the next few years.

What is fact is this:

1. We didn't draft a defender over 82 kg. Marshall, at 79kg, won't be ready to play on a power forward for at least 2-3 years without getting ragdolled even if he is fast and athletic. I am not sure when or if McCallum, at 192cm and 82kg, will be

FFS. You could also say any team could have picked Marshall with a nothing pick, but no one did except for us with the last pick of the draft. Our project defender.

Not every team was looking for key defenders as an absolute priority. We were. For the next season at least our depth defenders over 193cm are going to be the 78kg Kyle Marshall and Ollie Lord. Maybe Marshall will prove to be the better long term choice, but it leave the cupboard pretty ******* bare for the next season at least.

Phillips won the most promising young player in the VFL this season as a 198cm, 90kg key defender, remembering that the last 15 recipients of that same award have gone on to play AFL football. So I don't think it is unreasonable to ask, why not choose the more physically ready to go defender given our circumstances?

Its a damn shame we didn't delist one more player and have one more nothing pick. We could have grabbed Marshall and Phillips then.

Agree on Phillips. Good point, delist one more player and select Phillips as well.

Who would've got delisted to make a spot for Phillips? Macentee would've copped it I guess.

 

[Saltiga]

Agree on Phillips. Good point, delist one more player and select Phillips as well.

Who would've got delisted to make a spot for Phillips? Macentee would've copped it I guess.

Could've made us too tall though.

 

[240volt]

FFS. You could also say any team could have picked Marshall with a nothing pick, but no one did except for us with the last pick of the draft. Our project defender.

Not every team was looking for key defenders as an absolute priority. We were. For the next season at least our depth defenders over 193cm are going to be the 78kg Kyle Marshall and Ollie Lord. Maybe Marshall will prove to be the better long term choice, but it leave the cupboard pretty ******* bare for the next season at least.

Phillips won the most promising young player in the VFL this season as a 198cm, 90kg key defender, remembering that the last 15 recipients of that same award have gone on to play AFL football. So I don't think it is unreasonable to ask, why not choose the more physically ready to go defender given our circumstances?

Its a damn shame we didn't delist one more player and have one more nothing pick. We could have grabbed Marshall and Phillips then.

You can’t draft everyone and the club see’s more future in Marshall than Phillips obviously.
One thing the club has done pretty good at is there drafting (most probably about the only thing)
Now it’s up to the coaching staff to get the best out of them

 

[Windy Cindy]

1st Munkara
2nd Phillips
3rd Marshall/Scully
And wish we never extended McKenzie or Williams. So we could leave a list spot for rookie (Scully/Marshall or K.Ryan) and a pick in mid season draft!

Port had
No interest in Ryan. Adelaide ran out of picks for him.

 

[Addy23]

Agree on Phillips. Good point, delist one more player and select Phillips as well.

Who would've got delisted to make a spot for Phillips? Macentee would've copped it I guess.

Idk about others but I wouldn't have extended McKenzie too. McEntee and McKenzie the first 2 names I'd think of.

 

[Jonts]

We've had a year with a guy that looked great at sanfl who we turned to a spud

Why is Phillips different?

 

[Powerage]

You can’t draft everyone and the club see’s more future in Marshall than Phillips obviously.
One thing the club has done pretty good at is there drafting (most probably about the only thing)
Now it’s up to the coaching staff to get the best out of them

We draft talent really well yes. I don't know that we do list management well. How many times have we let the depth in a particular position run so bare that it has hampered or ruined our season? 2016, 2022 look at our ruck situation. How many years were Schultz and Dixon playing a lone hand as a forward? Now its key defender depth. Additionally our list is mostly 28+ or under 24. Traditionally the most successful teams have been those who have a core of players BETWEEN those ages.

In a year where our Key Defender size and depth was horribly exposed it amuses to think that with the last pick of the draft our list management team went "**** it we better draft a project key defender satiate those bigfooty posters."

I mean with our first pick in the draft, what do we get? A defender whose strength is that he can play on talls and smalls!!! Because we need another teenage defender who can help out Burton, Bergman, Jones, Houston and Burgoyne with the small forwards in the years ahead.

With some trade maneuvering (trading one of our gaggle of HBFs) Van Es, Davies, Hustwaite and Adams were all attainable. Or with an extra pick we could have grabbed Phillips who has to have at least as much potential as Sam Skinner with his thrice ruptured ACL. So why not get pick a defender whose strength is that he can play on just talls, and specifically the tall talls. Who if nothing else will hold his post and free up Aliir to do what he does best.

Maybe we are maneuvering to draft such a defender in the coming 2023 superdraft. We will see.

 

[PortVic]

We've had a year with a guy that looked great at sanfl who we turned to a spud

Why is Phillips different?

Why is he the same?

 

[JimmyBC]

We've had a year with a guy that looked great at sanfl who we turned to a spud

Why is Phillips different?

Different person.

 

[Macca19]

Why is he the same?

18 clubs seem to think hes the same.

Every club in the afl wants intercept KPD. They are super important. So why didnt he get a go somewhere whilst being the best intercept guy outside the afl. Maybe its the only quality part to his game. Maybe all his intercept work was done on blokes smaller than him.

Just seems folly to get upset at not drafting someone who didnt get drafted at all. And yeah clubs do get it wrong, but for every Mick Barlow theres about a dozen guys who failed