Player Watch 2022 AFL National Draft Discussion - read the pinned post

[Strapping Young Lad]

National AFL draft Monday November 28(first round only).
All other selections to be held on Tuesday November 29.
The pre-season and rookie drafts will then take place at 3pm (AEST) on Wednesday November 30.

 

[Blackhawk42]

What are the boards views on Ginbey?

He's an interesting player but I feel like I've seen/heard little of him, but from what I've seen he seems like a real exciting prospect- almost a safer Phillipou option.

I'd like him at our second pick. But I don't think he'll last anywhere near that long.

Only moved into the midfield this year and has risen with a bullet. Looking likely to begin his career in his natural position on a back flank. Hence why Gold Coast has serious interest. They have 3 on the long term injury list.

Bust potential is my concern in regards to taking him with our first pick. He's super athletic but from a football sense isn't necessarily damaging with his disposal. If he can add genuine weapons by hand and foot he'll be an absolute gun.

Personally I'm not convinced he's the right fit us over Clark, Mackenzie, Humphrey, Phillipou etc.

 

[chopflop]

Cal Twomey has linked both us and the Cats to Jhye Clark per SEN.

Here is my case for Clark

Everyone is obsessed with traits these days (myself included). We fall in love with attributes. For me, I have a penchant for shorter players with speed and skill (I was big into Bowey a few years ago and I love Jones this year) and others have their own biases. The biggest one I have noticed on our forum is foot skills. People are obsessed with the idea of hitting up a leading forward. Maybe it was all those years of Mitchell, Hodge and Lewis lacing out targets that we became accustomed to elite skills. The game however is far more congested, far more contested and there is less time to execute skills. The game is also largely about territory and turnover.

I think the obsession with foot skill is why people are fawning over MacKenzie instead of seeing what a bloke like Clark brings to the table. For me, Clark's one wood is "winning plays" - these are the game-turning, teammate-inspiring, head-in-hole tough nut plays that win games, they wrest momentum from the other team's grasp, they change the narrative of a match. I will show you one play I saw that encapsulated Clark's winning plays ability. @1:41



Don't worry about the good foot skills, the good endurance, the good speed etc. The kid is an elite winner. Simple.

 

[chopflop]

This video definitely got my attention

How's the contested marking! Another aspect of his game that is underrated

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Happy with Clark if Tsatas, Humper and the Poo are gone, but I think they’re all going to be ahead of him, with what they can bring to the side that we don’t currently have.

 

[FB19]

Happy with Clark if Tsatas, Humper and the Poo are gone, but I think they’re all going to be ahead of him, with what they can bring to the side that we don’t currently have.

Agree would have loved Clark with pick 7 after taking a point of difference player at 6. Our midfield is building nicely as you look at having good quality and depth but I don’t see a game breaker or striker and I think we need to go with that. I am convinced we are taking Bailey Humphrey if there he ticks all the boxes except kicking but no one is perfect.

 

[Coach Killer]

Clark is nowhere near AFL ready. We just got rid of a bunch of average crabs that can’t kick, cant run and can’t match it with the top end.

If that‘s his highlight package that is below average.

 

[Hawk the Talk]

Happy with Clark if Tsatas, Humper and the Poo are gone, but I think they’re all going to be ahead of him, with what they can bring to the side that we don’t currently have.

100% agree! I will be less enthusiastic about taking him if it’s before any of those 3.

 

[Iceman!]

Cal Twomey has linked both us and the Cats to Jhye Clark per SEN.

Here is my case for Clark

Everyone is obsessed with traits these days (myself included). We fall in love with attributes. For me, I have a penchant for shorter players with speed and skill (I was big into Bowey a few years ago and I love Jones this year) and others have their own biases. The biggest one I have noticed on our forum is foot skills. People are obsessed with the idea of hitting up a leading forward. Maybe it was all those years of Mitchell, Hodge and Lewis lacing out targets that we became accustomed to elite skills. The game however is far more congested, far more contested and there is less time to execute skills. The game is also largely about territory and turnover.

I think the obsession with foot skill is why people are fawning over MacKenzie instead of seeing what a bloke like Clark brings to the table. For me, Clark's one wood is "winning plays" - these are the game-turning, teammate-inspiring, head-in-hole tough nut plays that win games, they wrest momentum from the other team's grasp, they change the narrative of a match. I will show you one play I saw that encapsulated Clark's winning plays ability. @1:41



Don't worry about the good foot skills, the good endurance, the good speed etc. The kid is an elite winner. Simple.

Personally think intangibles are more overrated than traits like elite kicking.

Give me someone that has stand out key attributes as a player over a ‘winning player’. Or a ‘leader/future captain’ because we apparently have like 17 of those.

I don’t mind Clark as a prospect but Melbournes midfield this year is the perfect example of why we should not underrate foot skills especially from midfielders, if literally anyone of them had the ability to hit up a target inside 50 they probably cruise to a second flag.

 

[RIOLINWITPUNCHS]

Couple of questions regarding Jhye Clark:

How is he different from Worpel?

Can he rotate through the forward line and offer something when rested inside 50?

 

[FB19]

Couple of questions regarding Jhye Clark:

How is he different from Worpel?

Can he rotate through the forward line and offer something when rested inside 50?

From the games I have seen (2) he can mark well above his head and his kicking is pretty good I’m not clear why some knock it. On that basis he has worpel covered. As I said if we had 2 early picks I would be happy to take him with the second.

 

[KermitJagger]

Couple of questions regarding Jhye Clark:

How is he different from Worpel?

Can he rotate through the forward line and offer something when rested inside 50?

Clark's general awareness and disposal is orders of magnitude better than Worpel's. He can use both sides well, he's evasive and he stands up in big occasions. There generally isn't no reason why one player is seen as top 10 and another was taken in the third round.

Seems like there are plenty of people who are going to get upset about him seeming "same-ish" to the players we already have, but with the players we've moved on he really isn't. We need a tough inside mid who specialises in getting first hands on the ball, especially one who projects better than our current option in Worpel.

Personally think intangibles are more overrated than traits like elite kicking.

Give me someone that has stand out key attributes as a player over a ‘winning player’. Or a ‘leader/future captain’ because we apparently have like 17 of those.

I don’t mind Clark as a prospect but Melbournes midfield this year is the perfect example of why we should not underrate foot skills especially from midfielders, if literally anyone of them had the ability to hit up a target inside 50 they probably cruise to a second flag.

Important to remember though, Melbourne's midfield this year did win a flag last year. If they'd prioritised other sorts of players instead of the competitive, hard-nosed sorts, they never would have dragged themselves out of the doldrums that they were in let alone win a premiership. We don't have the luxury of prioritising X-Factor when we've got such a massive issue in the contest to remedy.

 

[Blackhawk42]

While we may all want the 'class' of Mackenzie and Phillipou over the grunt work of Clark, it's probably important to realise that the club internally may see Day, Macdonald and Ward as having that class factor already in the bank.

Newcombe and Clark, potentially, could be the 'jump on my back and come with me' types. With Worpel, Finn, Nash and Stephens as the unassuming types to get their hands dirty when required.

I'm convinced now it's Humphrey if he's available and Clark is next in line if he's not.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Clark is nowhere near AFL ready. We just got rid of a bunch of average crabs that can’t kick, cant run and can’t match it with the top end.

If that‘s his highlight package that is below average.

You really are a clown.

 

[Noel Gallagher]

From the games I have seen (2) he can mark well above his head and his kicking is pretty good I’m not clear why some knock it. On that basis he has worpel covered. As I said if we had 2 early picks I would be happy to take him with the second.

I’ll say it again, Clark to me is Sewell 2.0 with better foot skills and an overhead mark. Like McDonald, he could easily play quite a few games up forward next year till he builds his body up

 

[Ned Ryerson]

I’ll say it again, Clark to me is Sewell 2.0 with better foot skills and an overhead mark. Like McDonald, he could easily play quite a few games up forward next year till he builds his body up

People may want the frills - but an enhanced Brad Sewell type would not at all be an unwelcome acquisition. Would be pretty stoked to have Clark if he lives up to this expectation.

 

[TylerDurden]

Clark's general awareness and disposal is orders of magnitude better than Worpel's. He can use both sides well, he's evasive and he stands up in big occasions. There generally isn't no reason why one player is seen as top 10 and another was taken in the third round.

Seems like there are plenty of people who are going to get upset about him seeming "same-ish" to the players we already have, but with the players we've moved on he really isn't. We need a tough inside mid who specialises in getting first hands on the ball, especially one who projects better than our current option in Worpel.

Important to remember though, Melbourne's midfield this year did win a flag last year. If they'd prioritised other sorts of players instead of the competitive, hard-nosed sorts, they never would have dragged themselves out of the doldrums that they were in let alone win a premiership. We don't have the luxury of prioritising X-Factor when we've got such a massive issue in the contest to remedy.

Nailed it.
We need ball winners right now, who are ferocious at the contest. We can't have Wardlaw, so Clark is next in line.

I think back to the Dees. They chose the polish of Toumpas, over the grunt of Wines. They were the worst contested footy side in the history of the game. And passed on Wines. Set em back years - until they picked up Oliver, Trac and Brayshaw.

Must nail these picks based on weakness at the time. Our midfield, Newk aside, is flimsy at best.

 

[Mojo]

It's actually quite amazing how divided the board is over who we should select with our first pick.

 

[TylerDurden]

I think his direction at the moment is to build a list of players who aren't necessarily the elite of the elite, but the ones who believe in the club.
He's recruiting lifelong hawk supporters, or players with strong connections either via family or association with box hill

Shame we can't get Sheez!

 

[BIGHAWK23]

Shame we can't get Sheez!

I'm so confident he will eventually be a Hawk

 

[Jazzfan]

Nailed it.
We need ball winners right now, who are ferocious at the contest. We can't have Wardlaw, so Clark is next in line.

I think back to the Dees. They chose the polish of Toumpas, over the grunt of Wines. They were the worst contested footy side in the history of the game. And passed on Wines. Set em back years - until they picked up Oliver, Trac and Brayshaw.

Must nail these picks based on weakness at the time. Our midfield, Newk aside, is flimsy at best.

Oliver is a dead set star. Viney is a great, tough compliment.

But Trac isn't anything like Clark and he wasn't selected by the dees for his 'grunt'. He's explosive. He's a match winner. He took plenty of time to develop also.

In the dees premiership year, Trac was playing close to a Dusty level in that striker, forward of centre role. Maximum impact... So very few teams have that player.

I'm fine if we take Clark. But I think if Tsastas is gone and Humphrey is there, he's the one.

Ward I feel is going to be our ultra consistent two-way mid. Duke our version of an Oliver that will play almost exclusively in the middle.

I'm still holding out hope Worpel will be a part of our future too as an inside mid.

I'd love to take a chance on a match winner, striker type mid our list doesn't have. Humphrey seems that and he's capable of developing up forward initially. Strong overhead.

 

[FB19]

Oliver is a dead set star. Viney is a great, tough compliment.

But Trac isn't anything like Clark and he wasn't selected by the dees for his 'grunt'. He's explosive. He's a match winner. He took plenty of time to develop also.

In the dees premiership year, Trac was playing close to Dusty in that striker, forward of centre role. Maximum impact... So very few teams have that player.

I'm fine if we take Clark. But I think if Tsastas is gone and Humphrey is there, he's the one.

Ward I feel is going to be our ultra consistent two-way mid. Duke our version of an Oliver that will play almost exclusively in the middle.

I'd love to take a chance on a match winner, striker type mid our list doesn't have. Humphrey seems that and he's capable of developing up forward initially. Strong overhead.

Newk and Ward 2 way mids need a match winner and I’m now firmly with Humphrey. Oliver not a great kick has improved quite a lot in 6 years Humphrey has great attributes and character bring him home!

 

[RIOLINWITPUNCHS]

With absoultely no inside knowledge I imagine that Tsatas or Humphrey are who we want and think might be available at our pick.

If they are both gone I have no idea which way we will go as I don't see us taking Phillipou.

 

[BIGHAWK23]

If Tsatas is available, we take him, simple as that

 

[perrdan86]

I'm so confident he will eventually be a Hawk

It will never happen, but I would love to see a Mitch or MM come out and say something along the lines if you're a high level player that's a hawks fan, we will look to eventually come and hey you.

Similar to what port did maybe a year or two with SA players getting drafted. Just to plant that seed in the minds of clubs looking to draft people like Sheezel or Ward last year, that we will come for them.

We seem to have a pretty steady flow of high level talent that are hawks fans.

 

[BIGHAWK23]

It will never happen, but I would love to see a Mitch or MM come out and say something along the lines if you're a high level player that's a hawks fan, we will look to eventually come and hey you.

Similar to what port did maybe a year or two with SA players getting drafted. Just to plant that seed in the minds of clubs looking to draft people like Sheezel or Ward last year, that we will come for them.

We seem to have a pretty steady flow of high level talent that are hawks fans.

Sheezel will be a Hawk in his career

Bank.