Preview 2022 draft prospects

[nahnah]

I really like the look of this Charlie Clarke fella. Can't have enough quick busy bees running around mid/forward.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Having read a lot of difference phantom draft and peoples opinions on here this is what I would love to see

Our first pick: Lewis Hayes - we need some quality coming through in KPD. Most of our current KPD outside of Moore are speculative (Dean), no good (Kelly) , and depth (plays only if injuries) Frampton. We need to pull the trigger on Hayes if he is there around our first pick.

As a fallback I wouldn't be opposed if we took Barnett if Hayes was gone - looks like a genuine tap ruckman with good agility and nice size. We need someone coming through with Cox close to the end.

For the latter picks it becomes a bit more speculative

• Jacob Ryan seems like we are narrowing in on him and I'm ok with this at our late 20's pick
• Mitch Szybkowski I like a lot
• Joe Ricjards For a late roughy at our pick 51 or where ever it lands if he lasts.

Super keen to see what Hine turns to at this draft. Surely he addresses list needs (Key positions players) firstly and then picks best available.

Whoever he picks when they pull on the Black n' White they are mine and I will get behind them.

Go PIES

I think you’re underselling Frampton, but I’d still like to invest in a tall defender in Hayes anyway, simply because he’s ~8 years younger than Frampton.

Any time you can lock in a future key defender for the cost of a late first in a supposedly weak draft, you have to seriously look at it.

 

[peter9789]

I think you’re underselling Frampton, but I’d still like to invest in a tall defender in Hayes anyway, simply because he’s ~8 years younger than Frampton.

Any time you can lock in a future key defender for the cost of a late first in a supposedly weak draft, you have to seriously look at it.

Look you may be right - I haven't see n enough of Frampton to understand his value, but my pessimism is alrgely based on this will be his 3rd club after stints at the Power and Crows and if he was going to make it you would have thought he would have done so by now. I hope I'm wrong.

I like Hayes a lot and would be rapt if we take him with our first pick

 

[manicpie]

Posters are obsessing about talls but my view is it is no good drafting them just because they are tall if they aren't going to be good enoug

Having read a lot of difference phantom draft and peoples opinions on here this is what I would love to see

Our first pick: Lewis Hayes - we need some quality coming through in KPD. Most of our current KPD outside of Moore are speculative (Dean), no good (Kelly) , and depth (plays only if injuries) Frampton. We need to pull the trigger on Hayes if he is there around our first pick.

As a fallback I wouldn't be opposed if we took Barnett if Hayes was gone - looks like a genuine tap ruckman with good agility and nice size. We need someone coming through with Cox close to the end.

For the latter picks it becomes a bit more speculative

• Jacob Ryan seems like we are narrowing in on him and I'm ok with this at our late 20's pick
• Mitch Szybkowski I like a lot
• Joe Ricjards For a late roughy at our pick 51 or where ever it lands if he lasts.

Super keen to see what Hine turns to at this draft. Surely he addresses list needs (Key positions players) firstly and then picks best available.

Whoever he picks when they pull on the Black n' White they are mine and I will get behind them.

Go PIES

Hopefully we take a couple of talls but a lot of people are saying we might not even take one. Who knows but I agree with you. PS: I think Frampton will play regular seniors, I can't see the point of a 3 year contract if he's only depth

 

[sr36]

Hopefully we take a couple of talls but a lot of people are saying we might not even take one. Who knows but I agree with you

I think (hope) we get at least one of Barnett and Weddle.

 

[Fat Jesus]

That's too tall.

You accept what you are given, and nothing more. This is the rules set by good old Dekka lol

I'm not confident some of our current talls will make it.
Begg and Kelly will be gone this time next year IMO
probably Ruscoe as well

 

[Rusty Beam]

Will be interesting to see if Rendall is close.

Personally I can’t see either Phillopou or Tsatas falling to pick 10.

 

[manicpie]

I think (hope) we get at least one of Barnett and Weddle.

Hopefully.

 

[JOELY]

I think you’re underselling Frampton, but I’d still like to invest in a tall defender in Hayes anyway, simply because he’s ~8 years younger than Frampton.

Any time you can lock in a future key defender for the cost of a late first in a supposedly weak draft, you have to seriously look at it.

Yeah, I agree with this. The knock on Hayes seems to that he isn't that good at defending, but you'd take the punt that once he actually built some muscle that will improve. He's a great height, seems a good reader in flight and is calm with the footy and has good skills. He strikes me as that pretty unobtrusive, almost boring defender that you lock in the 22 each week and never think about it. Sounds like I'm bagging him, but I'd like a player like that.

 

[sr36]

Yeah, I agree with this. The knock on Hayes seems to that he isn't that good at defending, but you'd take the punt that once he actually built some muscle that will improve. He's a great height, seems a good reader in flight and is calm with the footy and has good skills. He strikes me as that pretty unobtrusive, almost boring defender that you lock in the 22 each week and never think about it. Sounds like I'm bagging him, but I'd like a player like that.

The bolded, plus athletic/physical attributes are where it's at for KPD.

 

[Mongo Ming]

Not sold on Macrae. Seems v vanilla, one paced, low impact. Hope I’m wrong, but 2020 is looking like quite a weak draft across the board… Except maybe for Holmes and Bowey selections, which - sadly / embarrassingly for Derek - were taken straight after Jack

I’ve still got hope for Macrae TBH. His brother only averaged 17 touches in his first year. Took a couple of years to develop and didn’t start to really turn into a gun until mid career.

Not sure why people want to tap out on Begg already too. Very athletic for his size, just needs some bulk. Will be interesting to see what secondary position they play him in the magoos this year now that Cox surely plays the majority of his games at the lower level. May end up a Roughead type, originally earmarked for a ruck role and moved to defence. Worked out alright.

In saying that, I want to see some legit improvement in both by the end of 2023 before I’m fully convinced.

Reef is a bit of an enigma to this point also. Not sure playing him forward in the firsts was playing to his strengths. Hoping he can start to assert himself in the guts in the magoos if he has a clean run with injuries.

I think our depth looks pretty decent. We flushed the right players.

Kelly is the only bloke I’m really not sold on yet. He has the build. But some of those brain fades under pressure. Yikes! He’ll have a couple in front of him for a senior spot in Frampton/Dean. So he’d want to pull the finger out.

At least we’ll have good competition for spots across the whole deck this year, especially if we draft well next week. Go pies .

 

[KJpie]

I'm not confident some of our current talls will make it.
Begg and Kelly will be gone this time next year IMO
probably Ruscoe as well

He didn't have a great year, however I think Ruscoe makes it based on what he delivered at senior level the year prior

 

[sr36]

Reef is a bit of an enigma to this point also. Not sure playing him forward in the firsts was playing to his strengths. Hoping he can start to assert himself in the guts in the magoos if he has a clean run with injuries.

With him, I think it was as simple as him not being AFL relevant as a mid yet - due to tank and nous - but relevant as an aFL forward - and we needed the depth going into the season with so much unknown about our forwardline.

 

[sr36]

I'm not confident some of our current talls will make it.
Begg and Kelly will be gone this time next year IMO
probably Ruscoe as well

I'm not going to make a call along those lines - after being as certain as I've ever been about a delisting - that Murphy wouldn't continue past last year.

 

[Mongo Ming]

With him, I think it was as simple as him not being AFL relevant as a mid yet - due to tank and nous - but relevant as an aFL forward - and we needed the depth going into the season with so much unknown about our forwardline.

Good point re tank. He seemed to be working on it and injuries put him behind again. Benefit of it being a shoulder is they could put work into his legs in rehab. Hopefully he’s been eating his Weeties.

 

[loki04]

Show me a premiership team whose mids are under 25. You get the occasional all time great like Pendles or Selwood (or Naicos soon) who is a really important part of a premiership midfield at a young age, as you do with KPFs like Johnno Brown, but it's bloody rare for any contested role. The whole mids come on quicker, is because they can be bit part flankers for a fair while, but they're very rarely core mids of a top team when they're young - greats excepted.

All the great teams over the last 20 years have had incredible midfields, that generally couldn't carry the team to a flag until they were 25+. Brisbane, Geelong, Hawthorn, even this current Melbourne team with their great midfield - it wasn't great until they were 24-27 years old.

I think most good mids are quality parts of their midfield by 22.

KPP however usually by 24.

Mids typically have a smaller ready by date.

What was the Dogs midfield ages in their premiership?

Melbourne's in their flag?

Even ours in 2010. Pendles shaz Thomas Beams etc all sub even if filling wings and flanks as well. They contribute to team success much earlier.

 

[JOELY]

The bolded, plus athletic/physical attributes are where it's at for KPD.

I also like to see a bit of aggressiveness and intent at the contest. I'm not sure it's entirely Hayes' go, but the second bit of play in this video where he keeps his eye on the ball and enters that contest in the wet is good enough for me.

 

[loki04]

I agree with those blokes, but they are the same age as the Kings who would sit just as easily on a premiership dais. Just as Trav, Dawes and Brown did on ours. I just think it's a myth that KPP take longer to develop than inside mids.

Inside mids you may have a point.
Purely because they need to build their body's up size and strength, similarly to a KPP.

But for typical mids in general your off base imo. Or are you stating only inside mids?

 

[sr36]

I think most good mids are quality parts of their midfield by 22.

KPP however usually by 24.

Mids typically have a smaller ready by date.

What was the Dogs midfield ages in their premiership?

Melbourne's in their flag?

Even ours in 2010. Pendles shaz Thomas Beams etc all sub even if filling wings and flanks as well. They contribute to team success much earlier.

Agree on the flanks - but your ball winning inside mids take as long as kpps to become quality in those roles. Contested roles favour mature bodies - be it KPP or inside mid.

 

[loki04]

It feels like every time a tall indigenous forward with a bit of x factor comes along people pin their hopes on them being the next Buddy.

If that player is a JUH then fair enough because his junior career saw him rated to the point he was taken at pick 1.

Trouble is Keeler isn't rated nearly as highly as either Buddy or JUH in their draft year and I don't think people like Twomey or Knightmare even had him inside their top 30 rankings.

There must be good reason for that surely.

While I wouldn't be against us selecting him I think people need to be realistic because the likelihood he goes on to become a dominant key forward at AFL level across the next 10 years would be very slim like it is for all key forward prospects who are taken in his expected draft range.

His best hope is probably as that athletic ruck/forward hybrid, while if we're after a KPP looking for one to fill a role in defence probably has a greater chance at success given the picks we have.

P.S- For those of you dreaming of Keeler being the steal of the draft it's always good to remember the likes of Spencer White.

Ultimately there was a reason he went at pick 25 not 5 and like many key forward prospects before him in the end he was a bust also.

The next Buddy?

Spencer White has been compared to Lance Franklin as clubs circle the talented forward

www.afl.com.au

Imo he plays more like Ryder then Buddy anyway if we are talking style like.

 

[loki04]

Agree on the flanks - but your ball winning inside mids take as long as kpps to become quality in those roles. Contested roles favour mature bodies - be it KPP or inside mid.

Yeah I thought we were talking mids as a general rule.

Not inside midfielder as a select criteria.

 

[sr36]

Inside mids you may have a point.
Purely because they need to build their body's up size and strength, similarly to a KPP.

But for typical mids in general your off base imo. Or are you stating only inside mids?

I mean stoppage and particularly contested specialists. Guys like Walsh and NDaicos can play that handball receive role to an extremely high standard really early. But if you want to win the physical contests - don't send in youngsters - unless they're freaks.

 

[unplugged]

It's interesting reading on here that posters say they'd like player A first pick, player B second pick, etc.

And yet it all goes out the window if someone slides or if we trade up the order.

It's not so clear as to whether posters want a specific player or they're just choosing them on the basis they think they'll be available.

 

[sr36]

It's interesting reading on here that posters say they'd like player A first pick, player B second pick, etc.

And yet it all goes out the window if someone slides or if we trade up the order.

It's not so clear as to whether posters want a specific player or they're just choosing them on the basis they think they'll be available.

I think so too.

You see statements that I want one of these three for our first. Then a totally different group of three for our second. When in reality somone from the first group is likely to be available at the second.

It's not keeping me up at night though.

 

[loki04]

I don't think Stewart has ever had to mind an opponent. To put him in the same class as clement is like chalk and cheese. clement was one of the best 1 on 1 defenders I've seen. Stewart is a loose man in defence who doesn't have the same impact when he is forced to defend all game

Sicily I remember getting baths when made to man up properly too. He was hidden in Clarksons system.