Preview 2022 draft prospects

[sr36]

For what Degoey wants $ wise, what’s he done. How many all Australians? copelands? Brownlow votes? We hold him in such high esteem, but players on his $ in other teams are a step above. He’s a good player but not a star. We can def lose him. I’ve 100% flipped, I think we need to trade him

I wouldnt try to match a ridiculous free agency offer for JDG. But my point is that some of the rumoured free agency deals are crazy. So the concept of losing him and using JDG money to get a free agent tall as well as an early pick sounds great in theory. But JDG for Dan McStay and pick 8 isn't a win.

 

[stormskye]

I wouldnt try to match a ridiculous free agency offer for JDG. But my point is that some of the rumoured free agency deals are crazy. So the concept of losing him and using JDG money to get a free agent tall as well as an early pick sounds great in theory. But JDG for Dan McStay and pick 8 isn't a win.

I’d be taking our current first and the compo pick to the draft. Get one of the KPf and an elite mid. Use the Salary cap to then target either Tom green or Mackay next year.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

I wouldnt try to match a ridiculous free agency offer for JDG. But my point is that some of the rumoured free agency deals are crazy. So the concept of losing him and using JDG money to get a free agent tall as well as an early pick sounds great in theory. But JDG for Dan McStay and pick 8 isn't a win.

McStay hell no.

But Melbourne did ok chasing Lever and May.

 

[soreplums]

I’d be taking our current first and the compo pick to the draft. Get one of the KPf and an elite mid. Use the Salary cap to then target either Tom green or Mackay next year.

Yep.

fair chance we could finish 15th. Picks 4 and 5 in 2022 and a FA in 2023 look good to me.

 

[sr36]

McStay hell no.

But Melbourne did ok chasing Lever and May.

Yes they did, but they were trades, so it wouldn't be a draft pick and a FA, it'd basically be a direct swap in May's case for JDG and a bit more to get Lever. It isn't the player plus the early pick.

So about par in terms of players, (I think I rate JDG higher than you) but likely a loss in terms of salary cap when you consider poaching tax.

 

[sr36]

I’d be taking our current first and the compo pick to the draft. Get one of the KPf and an elite mid. Use the Salary cap to then target either Tom green or Mackay next year.

Tom Green wouldn't be a free agent. He'd cost a fair bit more than Jordy compo in trade.

Mackay as a FA would work as a double banger for Jordy with a compo pick as well, if you got him across. The latter bit is the hard bit in terms of making Jordy leaving a win for the club.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Yes they did, but they were trades, so it would be a draft pick and a FA, it'd basically be a direct swap in May's case for JDG and a bit more to get Lever. It isn't the player plus the early pick.

So about par in terms of players, (I think I rate JDG higher than you) but likely a loss in terms of salary cap when you consider poaching tax.

You may rate JDG higher than me, but mostly it’s just that I think his peak is probably in a year or two, and we won’t be contending that soon. If we can get another draft pick now, and a FA KPP next year (like a Ben McKay) we’ve seen that KPPs can be very serviceable into their 30’s at clubs not named Collingwood.

 

[sr36]

You may rate JDG higher than me, but mostly it’s just that I think his peak is probably in a year or two, and we won’t be contending that soon. If we can get another draft pick now, and a FA KPP next year (like a Ben McKay) we’ve seen that KPPs can be very serviceable into their 30’s at clubs not named Collingwood.

Out of curiosity, would you have done the same with Moore?

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Out of curiosity, would you have done the same with Moore?

No. KPPs are more valuable than midfielder-forwards. Moore is the only one we’ve had throughout their entire career since Cloke… assuming we don’t count Reid and his paper maché quads.

Mind you, if we’d already signed Jordy to a long term deal, I’d have to think harder about it for Moore.

 

[sr36]

No. KPPs are more valuable than midfielder-forwards. Moore is the only one we’ve had throughout their entire career since Cloke… assuming we don’t count Reid and his paper maché quads.

Mind you, if we’d already signed Jordy to a long term deal, I’d have to think harder about it for Moore.

I think that's where I disagree. I don't think any KPPs of the last decade are in the same ball park of influence as Dusty, Petracca, Bontempelli,Danger, Fyfe at their peak. Macgovern would be the closest in that he used to change the way teams entered forward 50 in order to avoid him, but that was more due to the novelty of his style, which has now been widely replicated, rather than being a type of influence that would be ongoing. I'm certainly not putting JDG in the same class as those mid/forwards. But I wouldn't put Moore in the same calibre as the very best KPPs either. They both could get there over the next 5 years. But unfortunately for both of them, it's a time period where we are unlikely to be seriously challenging.

 

[Masked Magician]

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[adge0001]

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Nice graph. Where’d that come from?


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[The Royal Sampler]

I think that's where I disagree. I don't think any KPPs of the last decade are in the same ball park of influence as Dusty, Petracca, Bontempelli,Danger, Fyfe at their peak. Macgovern would be the closest in that he used to change the way teams entered forward 50 in order to avoid him, but that was more due to the novelty of his style, which has now been widely replicated, rather than being a type of influence that would be ongoing. I'm certainly not putting JDG in the same class as those mid/forwards. But I wouldn't put Moore in the same calibre as the very best KPPs either. They both could get there over the next 5 years. But unfortunately for both of them, it's a time period where we are unlikely to be seriously challenging.

Interesting point. I would just about have Moore there. He’s having to do too much this season with no partner in crime to speak of, and it’s making him look a lesser player. He also gets dinged because he’s a defender and they’re easier to find. But I think he’s an amazing player, should only improve and gives every indication he’s committed to getting the best out of himself.

De Goey is clearly not in Petracca’s calibre let alone Martin, Fyfe, Bontempelli, Neale, Dangerfield as a midfielder. All those guys have done it for multiple years. De Goey has shown glimpses, windows of a half-season here or a month or two there. It’s the reason we can even talk about getting band 1 for him, but I don’t think he’s ever going to have consistent output at a level of the top mids.

 

[Apex36]

Nice graph. Where’d that come from?


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It’s pinned on the draft and trades board.

 

[sr36]

Interesting point. I would just about have Moore there. He’s having to do too much this season with no partner in crime to speak of, and it’s making him look a lesser player. He also gets dinged because he’s a defender and they’re easier to find. But I think he’s an amazing player, should only improve and gives every indication he’s committed to getting the best out of himself.

I love Darcy too. The most brilliant kpd of recent years, but his decision making and judgement isn't in the same calibre as the very best during that time. Not helped by teams having gotten better at exploiting that style than they were when Macgovern and Rance were dominating.

Edit: I missed Buddy, he was as influential as the top mids.

 

[stormskye]

I love Darcy too. The most brilliant kpd of recent years, but his decision making isn't in the same calibre as the very best during that time. Not helped by teams having gotten better at exploiting that style than they were when Macgovern and Rance were dominating.

Edit: I missed Buddy, he was as influential as the top mids.

I think Hawkins falls in that calibre

 

[sr36]

I think Hawkins falls in that calibre

Fabulous player for so long - but I wouldn't put him close to the influence on games that Danger had or Ablett before him, or even Bartell or Selwood at their peak.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

I love Darcy too. The most brilliant kpd of recent years, but his decision making and judgement isn't in the same calibre as the very best during that time. Not helped by teams having gotten better at exploiting that style than they were when Macgovern and Rance were dominating.

Edit: I missed Buddy, he was as influential as the top mids.

I let Buddy slide as you said “the past decade” and Buddy was drafted well before that.

 

[Quicky]

I'm trying to think of a currently 25 year old KPP who would fit the bill? it would depend for me on what draft pick we got for JDG compensation.

Personally, I wouldn't want to lose him at all, as I think we'll be woeful without him and I don't particularly want to watch a JDG less Collingwood for the next few years, just looking at whether pick 7 or whatever + likely free agent does actually become worthwhile in terms of value.

Harry and Ben McKay are both free agents next year.

 

[Jen2310]

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The gap between 8 and 42 isn't pretty. Hopefully we can get something in between' whether thats trading in next years pick for this year. Or a trade that nets us a 2nd rounder.

 

[Mollythedolly]

For what Degoey wants $ wise, what’s he done. How many all Australians? copelands? Brownlow votes? We hold him in such high esteem, but players on his $ in other teams are a step above. He’s a good player but not a star. We can def lose him. I’ve 100% flipped, I think we need to trade him

What does he want?

 

[stormskye]

What does he want?

Free agency will deem he will want More than what he’s on which is 750ish. Especially seeing moores recent contract and what we pay grundy. Which is the problem with handing out big contacts, others will expect the same. He’s not even worth that. So unless he wants a significant pay cut no issues with him leaving. Long term think it’s best for the club. Geelong lost Kelly and freo have lost cerra without batting an eyelid.

 

[Finnishpie]

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We definitely need to trade back into the top 20. Need another 2 in the top 20 this year I think. Preferably end up with 2 in the top 15 and then one top 15-20.

Question is: how?

Who goes? Who has currency and is 27 or over?

 

[Jen2310]

We definitely need to trade back into the top 20. Need another 2 in the top 20 this year I think. Preferably end up with 2 in the top 15 and then one top 15-20.

Question is: how?

Who goes? Who has currency and is 27 or over?

There is the option of trading one of our 2023 picks for a 2nd rounder in 2022. Wright made wonders happen last year, so trust in him to be smart with this.

 

[sr36]

Who has currency and is 27 or over?

Crisp, Adams, Mihocek, maybe Elliott. .