List Mgmt. 2022 List Management and Trading Thread - Part 2

[Scorpus]

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And 2024 as it stands

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[Sanders]

What I'm saying is that if his issues had been addressed earlier, then he would have been rewarded with his good form earlier.

That good form didn't happen, and was never going to happen, until he addressed the issues which I (and many others) identified early on.

The failure here is yours - you blithely insisted that he would come good, despite him having obvious deficiencies which needed addressing. To put it politely, you were somewhere off in cuckoo land. His breakout, once his deficiencies had been addressed, does not validate your position - it validates mine, and all those who (like me) were critical of his previous failure to address his problems.

spoiler alert:

This is not parody. Repeat, this is not parody, he is serious.

 

[Bearded Clam]

What I'm saying is that if his issues had been addressed earlier, then he would have been rewarded with his good form earlier.

That good form didn't happen, and was never going to happen, until he addressed the issues which I (and many others) identified early on.

The failure here is yours - you blithely insisted that he would come good, despite him having obvious deficiencies which needed addressing. To put it politely, you were somewhere off in cuckoo land. His breakout, once his deficiencies had been addressed, does not validate your position - it validates mine, and all those who (like me) were critical of his previous failure to address his problems.

It would just be a hell of a lot easier on you if you simply said..

“yeah, ok, I admit I was wrong on Fog“…



I intend to do that if Keays ever turns into a gun player… but it’s extremely unlikely I will actually end up having to…

 

[Vader]

It would just be a hell of a lot easier on you if you simply said..

“yeah, ok, I admit I was wrong on Fog“…



I intend to do that if Keays ever turns into a gun player… but it’s extremely unlikely I will actually end up having to…

I wasn't wrong on Fog - I was 100% right, and have been vindicated by his recent success, which only occurred after he addressed the deficiencies I (and many others) identified.

 

[Sanders]

I wasn't wrong on Fog - I was 100% right, and have been vindicated by his recent success, which only occurred after he addressed the deficiencies I (and many others) identified.

Tee hee

The deficiencies which included not having AFL traits

Who knew biological and physiological characteristics could be so easily rectified.

Tee hee

 

[baldandbroke]

I wasn't wrong on Fog - I was 100% right, and have been vindicated by his recent success, which only occurred after he addressed the deficiencies I (and many others) identified.

Incredible.

 

[cm_perfect]

I wasn't wrong on Fog - I was 100% right, and have been vindicated by his recent success, which only occurred after he addressed the deficiencies I (and many others) identified.

You are starting to sound like Rooch.

“I was right at the time”

Give it up man !

 

[George Kramer]

What do you guys expect? Vader still thinks he was right to go on a covid cruise unless he got a refund whilst blaming the government for the spread of covid.

 

[Mostyn]

I wasn't wrong on Fog - I was 100% right, and have been vindicated by his recent success, which only occurred after he addressed the deficiencies I (and many others) identified.

So when he succeeded you were right, and if he'd failed you would have also been right?

 

[Vader]

So when he succeeded you were right, and if he'd failed you would have also been right?

It didn't depend on me at all - it was entirely dependent on him fixing his deficiencies (weight, fitness, work rate). As I see it, there were 4 possible outcomes:

1. He addressed his deficiencies, and succeeded - I am 100% vindicated and correct.
2. He addressed his deficiencies, and failed - we are all wrong (as most, if not all, could see that he had the talent to succeed).
3. He failed to address his deficiencies, and succeeded - I would have been 100% wrong.
4. He failed to address his deficiencies, and failed - I would have been 100% vindicated and correct.

Option 1 is what happened.

I am not going to apologise for calling him out as having obvious deficiencies, which he did have at the time. Unlike some idiots, I'm not into revisionist history.

 

[Samcro24]

It didn't depend on me at all - it was entirely dependent on him fixing his deficiencies (weight, fitness, work rate). As I see it, there were 4 possible outcomes:

1. He addressed his deficiencies, and succeeded - I am 100% vindicated and correct.
2. He addressed his deficiencies, and failed - we are all wrong (as most, if not all, could see that he had the talent to succeed).
3. He failed to address his deficiencies, and succeeded - I would have been 100% wrong.
4. He failed to address his deficiencies, and failed - I would have been 100% vindicated and correct.

Option 1 is what happened.

I am not going to apologise for calling him out as having obvious deficiencies, which he did have at the time. Unlike some idiots, I'm not into revisionist history.

Fog kicked 2 goals in his first 5 games, then 31 in the last 12.

I guess he suddenly got fit in round 11?

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Fog kicked 2 goals in his first 5 games, then 31 in the last 12.

I guess he suddenly got fit in round 11?

No, but our forward coach had a good chat to him about how to play smarter to make the most of his attributes & fortunately it has clicked for him.

Confidence is a wonderful thing & he now knows he really belongs & how he needs to play. Can tell by his confident strut.

 

[Sanders]

Unlike some idiots, I'm not into revisionist history.

Which idiots do you feel you most belong with?

 

[dogs105]

I like Fog

 

[Tex Danger]

I wasn't wrong on Fog - I was 100% right, and have been vindicated by his recent success, which only occurred after he addressed the deficiencies I (and many others) identified.

Maybe instead of being wrong, those who were backing him in we’re doing so based on the likelihood those deficiencies would turn around with experience, development that occurs in a players early years, etc

So rather than them being wrong and yiu right, they were right to predict this outcome/turnaround and yiu we’re wrong to not consider that this development takes time

It’s probably the most arrogant and clueless thing I’ve read ti try and flip it around like you are trying to

For the record I thought Fog was done when he got dropped early in the season. I thought he would get a go eksewhere and probably still have a career of some sort but not with us and not like was hoped/expected. Thrilled to say I was wrong when he came back and showed something that just didn’t appear to be there

 

[Jeffcrowe]

In your head doesn’t count

It’s all in the thread old boy

 

[Tex Danger]

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I am not going to apologise for calling him out as having obvious deficiencies, which he did have at the time. Unlike some idiots, I'm not into revisionist history.

You can be right to call him out at the time while being wrong about the big picture.

He was poor for a while there and looked like he wouldn’t make it, even to his fans.

But him turning it around and showing he has it, does not make your opinion that he wouldn’t accurate.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

You can't put an experienced / older head on an 18 yo's body ! ......however often you suggest this

It's an expectation of KPP that they rarely "breakout" until the 50 game mark

Fogs entered the season 22 yo & 41 games

Thilthorpe now has 25 games .....I'd suggest in 2024, at 22 yo and 45+ games ......he'll tread a similar path to Fogarty

IMO it was Rahilly that made the difference to Fogs .....so much experience watching Hawkins play, which has translated well with Fogarty

Rahilly (and fog ) have both done a great job working thru a difficult patch

Don’t forget Tex

But ultimately , down at Geelong that day Fog unleashed the shackles and exploded and has never looked back , now he believes

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Fog kicked 2 goals in his first 5 games, then 31 in the last 12.

I guess he suddenly got fit in round 11?

He did a massive amount of work when out of the side with Burgess ( was mentioned in press conferences by multiple coaches inc Rahilly )

Came back in and struggled first 2 games for confidence then exploded v Geelong and never looked back

 

[Jeffcrowe]

It would just be a hell of a lot easier on you if you simply said..

“yeah, ok, I admit I was wrong on Fog“…



I intend to do that if Keays ever turns into a gun player… but it’s extremely unlikely I will actually end up having to…

Will never be a gun as not enough talent but he’s a pretty decent AFL player for what he does well

Hence the Brownlow , coaches votes ( from ours and opposition coaches ) and B and F votes

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Rahilly (and fog ) have both done a great job working thru a difficult patch

Don’t forget Tex

But ultimately , down at Geelong that day Fog unleashed the shackles and exploded and has never looked back , now he believes

Now plays in front ....previously it was mostly side by side with his opponent, so he could wrestle

That's a big change in the way Fogarty plays .....and I do not believe for a second, it was his idea

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Now plays in front ....previously it was mostly side by side with his opponent, so he could wrestle

That's a big change in the way Fogarty plays .....and I do not believe for a second, it was his idea

mindset , coaching , belief and confidence in his running / power etc

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Will never be a gun as not enough talent but he’s a pretty decent AFL player for what he does well

Hence the Brownlow , coaches votes ( from ours and opposition coaches ) and B and F votes

I still think Keays is underrated .....his ability to extricate himself from tight situations, set up good plays .....IMO he can be talked in the same circle as Sloane ....both similar, effort based, players

 

[WaynesWorld19]

mindset , coaching , belief and confidence in his running / power etc

The basis of any player development .....confidence elevates performance 10-15%

 

[Jeffcrowe]

The basis of any player development .....confidence elevates performance 10-15%

Hopefully there are a couple of players on our list that can take similar step next year

Although a different position Pedlar has some similarities in regards to getting his body right and believing in himself at the level to take next step

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Hopefully there are a couple of players on our list that can take similar step next year

Although a different position Pedlar has some similarities in regards to getting his body right and believing in himself at the level to take next step

It's all that's holding McAsey back, confidence & fitness .....he's got a great footy brain !