List Mgmt. 2022 List Management and Trading Thread - Part 2

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[Jeffcrowe]

It's all that's holding McAsey back, confidence & fitness .....he's got a great footy brain !

Not sure re the athletic traits for Mcasey

Needs to get stronger , fitter etc to counteract it

Then it’s the power of the mind with him too

 

[George Kramer]

It's all that's holding McAsey back, confidence & fitness .....he's got a great footy brain !

Too slow

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Too slow

No slower than Talia ....Talia arguably slower ...footy smarts as a DEF can make a huge difference

 

[George Kramer]

No slower than Talia ....Talia arguably slower ...footy smarts as a DEF can make a huge difference

Talia was a better player. Doesn’t it tell you something that he couldn’t find a Vic club to take him?

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Talia was a better player. Doesn’t it tell you something that he couldn’t find a Vic club to take him?

Nope ....just rumours McAsey wanted to leave ....no concrete info

Talia was a better player, because he was 10 years older ....don't compare a player at the start of his career, with an experienced Talia

 

[George Kramer]

Nope ....just rumours McAsey wanted to leave ....no concrete info

Talia was a better player, because he was 10 years older ....don't compare a player at the start of his career, with an experienced Talia

McAsey said at the airport he was talking to a Melbourne club and didn’t know what would happen!

No Talia was a better player from the get go, in his third year played 23 games in a much stronger side and won the rising star.

I know you’re backing him in and I’m hope you’re right, but you’re the only one who is seeing it.

 

[kirky]

I for one welcome our new lizard overlords

Then you need to watch this corny tv series - lizards galore!

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[Thetrader15]

McAsey said at the airport he was talking to a Melbourne club and didn’t know what would happen!

No Talia was a better player from the get go, in his third year played 23 games in a much stronger side and won the rising star.

I know you’re backing him in and I’m hope you’re right, but you’re the only one who is seeing it.

Talia was a lot stronger as a kid than McAsey. Fish appears to fall over too much, which could be a lack of lower body strength, I'm sure not helped by his hip stress fracture in his leg at the start of the last PS.

Get him to attack the ball stronger and with more ferocity would be a good start.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Talia was a lot stronger as a kid than McAsey. Fish appears to fall over too much, which could be a lack of lower body strength, I'm sure not helped by his hip stress fracture in his leg at the start of the last PS.

Get him to attack the ball stronger and with more ferocity would be a good start.

Already does this ....I agree though, needs to build his core strength, to hold his feet better .....but that'll come

 

[martyparty]

I like Fog

I love Fog.
Don’t flog The Velvet Fog.

 

[GROTTO]

Great exciting stuff to watch that puts bums on seats , but Fog’s real strengths are his hard lead, clean hands and accurate kicking for goal which we have never fully utilised. I’m excited for an improved Soligo with Rankine and Dawson hitting him up, and with his conversion rate could see 3+ goal avge .

IIRC he won both goal and mark of the round in that round. Pretty impressive. Potentially a first for a very very long time for us too.

 

[GROTTO]

You can't put an experienced / older head on an 18 yo's body ! ......however often you suggest this

It's an expectation of KPP that they rarely "breakout" until the 50 game mark

Fogs entered the season 22 yo & 41 games

Thilthorpe now has 25 games .....I'd suggest in 2024, at 22 yo and 45+ games ......he'll tread a similar path to Fogarty

IMO it was Rahilly that made the difference to Fogs .....so much experience watching Hawkins play, which has translated well with Fogarty

Thanks for that, yes your right the 50 game mark is considered roughly the benchmark where good players have taken the game to the next level and beyond.

Would like to know when Curnow and McKay for Carlton were at around the 50 game mark and Hawkins too, if you have time.

 

[cleanhands]

Great exciting stuff to watch that puts bums on seats , but Fog’s real strengths are his hard lead, CLEAN HANDS and accurate kicking for goal which we have never fully utilised. I’m excited for an improved Soligo with Rankine and Dawson hitting him up, and with his conversion rate could see 3+ goal avge .

Glad to help

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Thanks for that, yes your right the 50 game mark is considered roughly the benchmark where good players have taken the game to the next level and beyond.

Would like to know when Curnow and McKay for Carlton were at around the 50 game mark and Hawkins too, if you have time.

Hawkins really struggled the first few seasons at GEEL ....after a dominant U18 year

McKay has 86 games up ....most would agree, it's only the last 2 seasons, he's hit his straps .....but he's also 2 years older than Fogarty

 

[GROTTO]

Hawkins really struggled the first few seasons at GEEL ....after a dominant U18 year

McKay has 86 games up ....most would agree, it's only the last 2 seasons, he's hit his straps .....but he's also 2 years older than Fogarty

One thing Fogarty has over McKay that has him completely and comfortably covered is shot for goal.

 

[crow2crow]

Talia was a lot stronger as a kid than McAsey. Fish appears to fall over too much, which could be a lack of lower body strength, I'm sure not helped by his hip stress fracture in his leg at the start of the last PS.

Get him to attack the ball stronger and with more ferocity would be a good start.

needs testosterone injections morning and night
in all seriousness if, and lets hope it happens he can turn it around this year it will be the most amazing turnaround I can think of in club history

 

[pjcrows]

McAsey is in no way like Talia was.

 

[martyparty]

McAsey is in no way like Talia was.

Both Bictorians?

 

[George Kramer]

McAsey is in no way like Talia was.

WW is clutching

 

[Vader]

Fog kicked 2 goals in his first 5 games, then 31 in the last 12.

I guess he suddenly got fit in round 11?

He started working on his fitness once Burgess arrived. Years late. He finally started to see the benefits of Burgess' training program from mid-season onwards.

 

[Vader]

Maybe instead of being wrong, those who were backing him in we’re doing so based on the likelihood those deficiencies would turn around with experience, development that occurs in a players early years, etc

So rather than them being wrong and yiu right, they were right to predict this outcome/turnaround and yiu we’re wrong to not consider that this development takes time

Hang on here... I always said that he had talent, but was being held back by his weight/fitness/work rate (all of which are related). I never said that he couldn't improve IF he worked massively on those failings. Having done 2/3 of 3/5 of SFA to address them in his first 4 years, 2022 was the year where he finally pulled his finger out off the track - and where he almost immediately started to see rewards for his efforts once he finally started putting in.

I'm not going to apologise for calling a spade a bloody shovel, and being 100% correct for doing so.

 

[George Kramer]

He started working on his fitness once Burgess arrived. Years late. He finally started to see the benefits of Burgess' training program from mid-season onwards.

And yet there were reports on the extra fitness work he was doing in the 2021 preseason.

We can critique players abilities but it’s a bit rich from some flog in Canberra to cast aspersions on how hard a player is working. You have no ****ing idea and it’s staggering you have such self confidence that you speak with such authority on subjects you don’t have a clue about.

 

[Vader]

You can be right to call him out at the time while being wrong about the big picture.

He was poor for a while there and looked like he wouldn’t make it, even to his fans.

But him turning it around and showing he has it, does not make your opinion that he wouldn’t accurate.

I don't believe I ever said that he wouldn't.

Though I may have said that he wouldn't unless he worked massively on his weight/fitness/work rate, which is exactly what he did.

 

[George Kramer]

Fogarty reveals special relationship with Club legend

The forward is ready to tackle season 2021 head-on

www.afc.com.au

 

[George Kramer]