List Mgmt. 2022 List Management and trading thread

[Scorpus]

I saw this format on the West Coast board and thought it might help understand our current list position

 

[GROTTO]

In theory, our first this year for Rankine, our first next year for JHF.

 

[1990crow]

Can we trade away both this year's 1st round pick and our 2023 1st round pick?

Yes

 

[1990crow]

My understanding is that the Crows can trade two 1st round picks, but must use two 1sts in a rolling 4 year period.

I think.

2020 - 2x - Thilthorpe, Pedlar
2021 - 1x - Rachele
2022 - trade
2023 - trade
Would have to keep 2024 first unless we keep a first out of the Rankine and JHF trades somehow.

 

[GROTTO]

2020 - 2x - Thilthorpe, Pedlar
2021 - 1x - Rachele
2022 - trade
2023 - trade
Would have to keep 2024 first unless we keep a first out of the Rankine and JHF trades somehow.

My understanding is that you can ask for an exemption in the 2024 scenario? Especially given the age of Rankine and JHF and that they are also 1st rounders as well.

 

[chrisso crow]

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Thanks. I've got a headache now though

 

[1990crow]

My understanding is that you can ask for an exemption in the 2024 scenario? Especially given the age of Rankine and JHF and that they are also 1st rounders as well.

You could, but we aren't Geelong.

 

[chrisso crow]

In theory, our first this year for Rankine, our first next year for JHF.

Love it, but unless JHF has an ordinary year next year, NM would be wanting significantly more IMO

 

[1990crow]

JHF has told North he wants to be traded this year.
It's happened. Whether they are willing to do it or not is still to be seen.

To us?

 

[Soggy2112]

My understanding is that you can ask for an exemption in the 2024 scenario? Especially given the age of Rankine and JHF and that they are also 1st rounders as well.

Given the whole idea is to protect clubs from themselves, you would think that if you could show that you were spending your first round picks to bring in players of similar age and talent then it would make sense to get an exemption.

Love it, but unless JHF has an ordinary year next year, NM would be wanting significantly more IMO

JHF has a lot more value this year than next given he’s contracted.

 

[chrisso crow]

Given the whole idea is to protect clubs from themselves, you would think that if you could show that you were spending your first round picks to bring in players of similar age and talent then it would make sense to get an exemption.

JHF has a lot more value this year than next given he’s contracted.

No arguments here, but my opinion was based on a trade being done next year.

 

[1990crow]

If you knew JHF would ask for a trade at the end of 2023 (he's adamant he won't change his mind), and has already asked for one this year, North would be smart to trade him this year whilst he's contracted and get maximum value.

 

[70lethal]

Yep, 4 for Rankine and 8

Yep that values Rankine at a pick in the 30's before a premium is added.
I'd like a wager that wont happen

 

[dogs105]

Yep that values Rankine at a pick in the 30's before a premium is added.
I'd like a wager that wont happen

Yep, you're right. Someone mentioned the other day that this was equivalent to pick 13, and I believed it without checking.

 

[dogs105]

Yep that values Rankine at a pick in the 30's before a premium is added.
I'd like a wager that wont happen

So 4 and 22 is worth ~ 8 and 11 on points...

 

[Soggy2112]

If you knew JHF would ask for a trade at the end of 2023 (he's adamant he won't change his mind), and has already asked for one this year, North would be smart to trade him this year whilst he's contracted and get maximum value.

The only argument I’d see against that is the new coach would likely want to have a crack at trying to convince JHF to stay.

 

[70lethal]

Yep, you're right. Someone mentioned the other day that this was equivalent to pick 13, and I believed it without checking.

If we add a 2nd it gets around the mark I'm just going to be surprised if we get Rankine and keep a top 10 pick

 

[dogs105]

It's a pity the AFL has to have all those stupid, boring finals before we get to trade week...

 

[LeftyLuke]

Rubbish. Sacking a director who wants to remain is a massive action. We’ve had ample reasons to do it, but haven’t yet, it’s no small deal.

It should have been done when Pyke and Burton were sacked. Tbh it shouldn't have even needed to be done by the club. Roo must have some cheek to have not stood down himself when his mate that he employed singlehandedly nearly destroyed the club. What type of person doesn't volunteer to leave? In saying that a strong board should have requested that he distance himself from the club. The only thing I can think of is that they are scared of him and scared his kids won't play for the club if they decide to play football and are good enough.

 

[DJ75]

If we really want to go all out this year (and be incredibly brave), I'd go for this:

We have 1st round pick, 2nd round pick and a pick late in the draft (70's?) this year.

So,

Trade 1
Out: Pick 4, Sholl, Murphy
In: JHF, 2023 2nd round pick (North)

In other words it values JHF slightly less than pick 4 and Sholl slightly more than a 3rd round pick. Sholl and Murphy gives North some immediate help as well.

Trade 2
Out: 2023 1st round pick, 2023 2nd round pick
In: Rankine, GC 2022 2nd round pick (tied to Fremantle)

Gold Coast get a likely high first round pick. Helps them with possible academy picks in 2023. They also swap out one of their (many) 2nd round picks in 2022 for one in 2023.

Trade 3
Out: Himmelberg
In: Likely 3rd round pick Fremantle get for Lobb

Trade 4
Out: Matt Crouch

5

Matt Crouch

Age

29

Ht

183cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

28.4

5star

K

12.0

4star

HB

16.4

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

3.9

5star

CL

4.8

5star

D

24.9

5star

K

9.7

4star

HB

15.1

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.4

3star

CL

4.4

5star

D

21.2

5star

K

10.4

4star

HB

10.8

5star

M

4.4

4star

T

3.4

5star

CL

2.0

4star

In: 3rd/4th round pick in 2022 (points for us for F/S). Given how well B Crouch has played, I think there will be a club thinking they can get more out of M Crouch.

Trade 5
Out: McAsey
In: WB 2nd round pick (27)

So at this point we have a net result of:

Out:
2022 pick 4
2023 first round pick
2023 second round pick
Murphy
Sholl
Himmelberg
Crouch
McAsey

In:
JHF
Rankine
North 2023 2nd round pick
GC 2022 2nd round pick (Tied to Fremantle)
Fremantle 2022 3rd round pick
2022 3rd/4th round pick
2022 WB 2nd round pick

So, our draft hand looks like

2022: Our 2nd, WB 2nd, GC 2nd, 3rd round (Fre), 3rd/4th round pick + 70ish
2023: 2nd round pick (North), 3rd round pick

Then try and trade our 2 early 2nd round picks up for a pick in the first round (Brisbane maybe? Will this be better points for them)

2022 Draft then:

Pick 16 (Brisbane): Brayden George (Vic Country) 186 cm explosive forward, or Ollie Hotton. Or hopefully a quick midfielder with good skills.
GC 2nd round pick: Used for bid on Michalanney

Then Match bid on Keeler.
Add a KPD and ruck with late picks/rookie draft.

These playstation trades are easy. I don't know why you lot get worked up over it

 

[DJ75]

Yep, 4 for Rankine and 8

Why would GC give 8 back? Just can't see it happening.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

JHF has told North he wants to be traded this year.
It's happened. Whether they are willing to do it or not is still to be seen.

Has this been reported anywhere ?

 

[Soggy2112]

It should have been done when Pyke and Burton were sacked. Tbh it shouldn't have even needed to be done by the club. Roo must have some cheek to have not stood down himself when his mate that he employed singlehandedly nearly destroyed the club. What type of person doesn't volunteer to leave? In saying that a strong board should have requested that he distance himself from the club. The only thing I can think of is that they are scared of him and scared his kids won't play for the club if they decide to play football and are good enough.

I reckon he’s too stubborn to admit he did anything wrong, probably thinks that back in his day players were just tougher and would’ve copped it and got on with it.

Notice how in the media, Silvers, who had nothing to do with it was quick to apologise, while Ricciuto still refused to.

 

[LeftyLuke]

If we really want to go all out this year (and be incredibly brave), I'd go for this:

We have 1st round pick, 2nd round pick and a pick late in the draft (70's?) this year.

So,

Trade 1
Out: Pick 4, Sholl, Murphy
In: JHF, 2023 2nd round pick (North)

In other words it values JHF slightly less than pick 4 and Sholl slightly more than a 3rd round pick. Sholl and Murphy gives North some immediate help as well.

Trade 2
Out: 2023 1st round pick, 2023 2nd round pick
In: Rankine, GC 2022 2nd round pick (tied to Fremantle)

Gold Coast get a likely high first round pick. Helps them with possible academy picks in 2023. They also swap out one of their (many) 2nd round picks in 2022 for one in 2023.

Trade 3
Out: Himmelberg
In: Likely 3rd round pick Fremantle get for Lobb

Trade 4
Out: Matt Crouch
In: 3rd/4th round pick in 2022 (points for us for F/S). Given how well B Crouch has played, I think there will be a club thinking they can get more out of M Crouch.

Trade 5
Out: McAsey
In: WB 2nd round pick (27)

So at this point we have a net result of:

Out:
2022 pick 4
2023 first round pick
2023 second round pick
Murphy
Sholl
Himmelberg
Crouch
McAsey

In:
JHF
Rankine
North 2023 2nd round pick
GC 2022 2nd round pick (Tied to Fremantle)
Fremantle 2022 3rd round pick
2022 3rd/4th round pick
2022 WB 2nd round pick

So, our draft hand looks like

2022: Our 2nd, WB 2nd, GC 2nd, 3rd round (Fre), 3rd/4th round pick + 70ish
2023: 2nd round pick (North), 3rd round pick

Then try and trade our 2 early 2nd round picks up for a pick in the first round (Brisbane maybe? Will this be better points for them)

2022 Draft then:

Pick 16 (Brisbane): Brayden George (Vic Country) 186 cm explosive forward, or Ollie Hotton.
GC 2nd round pick: Used for bid on Michalanney

Then Match bid on Keeler.
Add a KPD and ruck with late picks/rookie draft.

These playstation trades are easy. I don't know why you lot get worked up over it

Sounds good but there's no way we are getting Horne and Rankine in the same year. I believe Horne should stay at North and leave when out of contract which is in 12months. A trade then will require at least our 2023 1st and 2nd and a player I would imagine. I would be happy with Rankine, our 2022 1st used in the draft (pick 5-6) and Brennan Cox from Freo.
In order to get currency for Rankine I would trade Doedee for a 1st and send that to Gold Coast for Rankine.
In order to get currency for Cox we would probably need to trade someone like Keays. I would trade Keays to Gold Coast for a 1st and use that on Brennan Cox.

Lose
Keays, Doedee

Gain
Rankine, Cox, pick 5-6 (Michalanney seems to be the talk)

 

[DJ75]

My understanding is that the Crows can trade two 1st round picks, but must use two 1sts in a rolling 4 year period.

I think.

The problem here is that it is the Crows wanting to do it, not Geelong.
For us, unlikely. Would be a last minute, one season only rule change.
For Geelong the rules are changed to help whenever needed.

 

[Soggy2112]

It's a pity the AFL has to have all those stupid, boring finals before we get to trade week...

So unnecessary