List Mgmt. 2022 List Management and trading thread

[Scorpus]

I saw this format on the West Coast board and thought it might help understand our current list position

 

[George Kramer]

That side is predominantly made up of 3rd and 4th year players, while our best talent (with the exception of Fog, who just misses the cut off), are 1st and 2nd year players: Thilthorpe, Berry, Soligo, Rachele. I also think Berry has had a better season than Ginnivan, Pickett, Coleman and Quaynor, there’s just a lot of midfield talent in the age bracket above him.

Schoenberg is the one who I would’ve hoped would be at that level, but I think he bounced back nicely in the second half of the season and is still progressing well so no need to stress.

Also Rankine is more or less ours now, so we have at least one

We did draft some 3rd year players.....

 

[Geoffa32]

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Good representation for a rebuilding side with the youngest list

Next year Thilthorpe, Berry, Sog, Rachele should be on that list. Too young this year.

I will be concerned if they are not.




How does Tom Green from GWS not make it?

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[jackster83]

We did draft some 3rd year players.....

Jones, McHenry, Hately, Hamill, McAsey and Schoenberg have all underwhelmed. Hamill probably a write off because of concussions, while I'll leave off Worrell because we stupidly refused to pick him.

The Jones and McAsey picks in particular...f*** me they were bad.

 

[Danger in Texas]

Jones, McHenry, Hately, Hamill, McAsey and Schoenberg have all underwhelmed. Hamill probably a write off because of concussions, while I'll leave off Worrell because we stupidly refused to pick him.

The Jones and McAsey picks in particular...f*** me they were bad.

Wouldn’t put Schoenberg in the ‘underwhelmed’ category yet. If he doesn’t kick on next year, yes, but the guy has obviously shown he can play

Those Jones/McAsey picks are gonna hurt for a long time

 

[Dangerousfield]

Daniher got $830k for two years.. it was the only way Essendon was gonna let him go.. they had to get band 1 compo. Thats what they worked out was the required amount to get them Band 1 compo.

Then a year later Brisbane “restructured” his contract to stretch it over 5 years..

Essendon and brisbane rorted the system, the AFL investigated it and both should have been penalised for it.. but the AFL doesnt penalise Vic teams or the teams like GWS, Suns or lions who are in NRL territory.

Its a *ing joke of an organisation.

We all thought RFA contracts were set in stone after the AFL ruled Buddy's contract could not be altered in any way. Then, as the AFL do, they let Daniher's RFA contract be rejigged because VFL club Essendon got the big benefit of Band 1 compo pick.

Make no mistake, the AFL are a law unto themselves, will manipulate outcomes that suit them and their VFL mates. It's why we won't get away with threatening PSD in Rankine negotiations, the AFL will get the outcome they want for their club Gold Coast

 

[Soggy2112]

We did draft some 3rd year players.....

I’m not disputing that.

It’s one of the reasons I love the Rankine pick because it partly fixes our swing and miss at the 2018 draft.

Moving forward it gives us:

2017: Fogarty
2018: Rankine and Hamill
2019: Schoenberg (I still have a lot of faith in him), Worrell, Gollant
2020: Thilthorpe, Cook, Berry
2021: Rachele, Soligo

There’s plenty to work with there.

Wouldn’t put Schoenberg in the ‘underwhelmed’ category yet. If he doesn’t kick on next year, yes, but the guy has obviously shown he can play

Those Jones/McAsey picks are gonna hurt for a long time

Yep, people expect player development to always be linear, when it doesn’t necessarily work like that.

He had a setback, and has bounced back from it nicely already.

 

[Interloperer]

Wouldn’t put Schoenberg in the ‘underwhelmed’ category yet. If he doesn’t kick on next year, yes, but the guy has obviously shown he can play

Those Jones/McAsey picks are gonna hurt for a long time

"Underwhelming" might not be right for Schoenberg. But he's below par at this point with negative momentum. Over this season he's slid from "Best 22" -> "Borderline and 50/50 with Crouch so it's smart to favour the young guy" -> "Forcing Ben Keays, one of the best players this year, into an ill-suited role just to fit Schoenberg in the side"

Anything less than a big improvement next year will be a failure.

 

[1970crow]

Brett Turner to be delisted according to Theo Doropoulos on 7 news

I guess he’s done the basic football knowledge job and already imparted all his wisdom onto our mids developing in the SANFL.

 

[Amacca 23]

I guess he’s done the basic football knowledge job and already imparted all his wisdom onto our mids developing in the SANFL.

Funny how turner has said this isnt correct yet here we are ??

 

[1970crow]

He was drafted as an emergency. There was never ever an intention to extend him beyond the end of this season.

Emergency for what? To get a game we’d have needed injury to a first 23 mid plus Crouch and Hately and then chosen to play him ahead of Taylor. And even then, to what end? Stop us from finishing 15th instead of 14th? Horrific list management decision, was obvious then.

 

[Soggy2112]

Emergency for what? To get a game we’d have needed injury to a first 23 mid plus Crouch and Hately and then chosen to play him ahead of Taylor. And even then, to what end? Stop us from finishing 15th instead of 14th? Horrific list management decision, was obvious then.

Yep, I’m nowhere near as critical of our list management as others but the Turner pick remains a head scratcher.

 

[All_In]

Interesting that Clarko is looking to find some 'middle aged' players to top up their list. I wonder if MCrouch, Frampton, Burg (I know he signed) Rowe, Doedee would be interested in a game under Clarko? If that’s the case, I wonder what they might entertain coming back our way?

"We need a couple of guys amid that 27, 28-year-old bracket probably," the newly appointed Shinboners steward told Fox Footy's 'On The Couch'.

 

[Thetrader15]

Interesting that Clarko is looking to find some 'middle aged' players to top up their list. I wonder if MCrouch, Frampton, Burg (I know he signed) Rowe, Doedee would be interested in a game under Clarko? If that’s the case, I wonder what they might entertain coming back our way?

"We need a couple of guys amid that 27, 28-year-old bracket probably," the newly appointed Shinboners steward told Fox Footy's 'On The Couch'.

Crouch seems a good fit for them, taking over from Cunnington...unless Cunnington is going to be fit and (importantly) healthy next year.

Doedee might be a good match for them, increase their KPD stocks, but also Berg up forward wouldn't be the worst idea for them

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Crouch seems a good fit for them, taking over from Cunnington...unless Cunnington is going to be fit and (importantly) healthy next year.

Doedee might be a good match for them, increase their KPD stocks, but also Berg up forward wouldn't be the worst idea for them

Cunnington, today, signed a new 2 year Contract at NORTH

 

[King Elvis]

Realistically, what are our chances of getting JHF and Rankine?

We should be throwing everything we have at them both.

Currency;

This year first (5)
Next year first (lets say 8)

Potential currency;
Matt Crouch

5

Matt Crouch

Age

29

Ht

181cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

28.4

5star

K

12.0

4star

HB

16.4

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

3.9

5star

CL

4.8

5star

D

24.9

5star

K

9.7

4star

HB

15.1

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.4

3star

CL

4.4

5star

D

21.2

5star

K

10.4

4star

HB

10.8

5star

M

4.4

4star

T

3.4

5star

CL

2.0

4star

(think we've destroyed his value, but as an experienced mid, still has value to a developing side).
Smith?
McAsey (not much, but something).
Frampton?
Rowe (pick around 30-40)?
Sholl (feel like we should've played him more, he's clearly leaving, but have we maximised his value)?

Rachele (has to be considered for JHF)? We viewing him as a mid? Same question re Rankine?
Soligo (as above)?



I think we've got the currency to get it done, and if we had a midfield of JHF/Rankine/Rachele (if we can swing it), we instantly become a MUCH better team.

 

[Vader]

I don't see us getting JHF this year. Could be very possible in 2023 though.

 

[Mutineer]

Realistically, what are our chances of getting JHF and Rankine?

We should be throwing everything we have at them both.

Currency;

This year first (5)
Next year first (lets say 8)

Potential currency;
Matt Crouch (think we've destroyed his value, but as an experienced mid, still has value to a developing side).
Smith?
McAsey (not much, but something).
Frampton?
Rowe (pick around 30-40)?
Sholl (feel like we should've played him more, he's clearly leaving, but have we maximised his value)?

Rachele (has to be considered for JHF)? We viewing him as a mid? Same question re Rankine?
Soligo (as above)?



I think we've got the currency to get it done, and if we had a midfield of JHF/Rankine/Rachele (if we can swing it), we instantly become a MUCH better team.

No effing way...great way to destroy the culture we're building putting two interstate lads that have commited to the Crows for the next 3 years on the table.....

 

[Jeffcrowe]

No effing way...great way to destroy the culture we're building putting two interstate lads that have commited to the Crows for the next 3 years....

Yep - Defeats purpose losing good players to get others that are no guarantee to be better

The Doedee trade idea I’m open to at the right price , also if someone was super keen on McAdam I’d consider

These guys have a price , Soligo and Rachele are so critical to our future they are realistically off the table

 

[NTRabbit]

He definitely mentioned crows.

I heard and remember it live, he was 100% talking about Port Adelaide and what they need to do to get back into finals contention next year, referencing their current undersized setup of Aliir, Burton, Houston, and Jonas

 

[Eagleboy2011]

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Good representation for a rebuilding side with the youngest list

Naughton at CHF is obvious but surely the Fog should have made that side.

 

[relapse]

Not sure how it will happen as I know he is contracted but its unlikely Ned will be on the crows list next year

 

[George Kramer]

Don’t be so negative

 

[King Elvis]

No effing way...great way to destroy the culture we're building putting two interstate lads that have commited to the Crows for the next 3 years on the table.....

I'd suggest the opposite - having mature and direct discussions about the possibilities would be a sign of a strong culture.

I'm not suggesting trading those guys against their will, but we need to consider our options with a clear picture.

If we'd been that way with Tippett, Dangerfield, Lever, perhaps we might've got a better result.

 

[Mutineer]

I'd suggest the opposite - having mature and direct discussions about the possibilities would be a sign of a strong culture.

I'm not suggesting trading those guys against their will, but we need to consider our options with a clear picture.

If we'd been that way with Tippett, Dangerfield, Lever, perhaps we might've got a better result.

Disagree, we've finally got young talented Victorians that want to be part of the future, sends all the wrong messages to the other young interstate lads already here and future draftees.

 

[Ramify]

I'd suggest the opposite - having mature and direct discussions about the possibilities would be a sign of a strong culture.

I'm not suggesting trading those guys against their will, but we need to consider our options with a clear picture.

If we'd been that way with Tippett, Dangerfield, Lever, perhaps we might've got a better result.

I'd put Laird up right now whilst everyone considers him a gun Mid.

Wouldn't consider Soligo or Rochelle.