List Mgmt. 2022 List Management and trading thread

[Scorpus]

I saw this format on the West Coast board and thought it might help understand our current list position

 

[1970crow]

But the only people spinning that explanation are some posters on here.

If you are choosing a ready to go mid who can play you don’t choose one that’s injured and is going to need SANFL games just to get some match fitness.

We picked him because Hamish rated him enough to give him a crack. No other club spoke with him, not one, that tells you all you need to know.

Disagree. I reckon the fact that we’re cutting him loose having blown half his time injured is evidence that it was never a long term call. What has changed between his selection and cutting except our season being over. If it was a talent ID decision based on potential, then he’d not be getting cut 5 SANFL games into his career with us.

Just can’t see this as anything other than a short sighted and ridiculously flawed list management decision.

 

[LeftyLuke]

Not sure how it will happen as I know he is contracted but its unlikely Ned will be on the crows list next year

Don't get our hopes up.

 

[George Kramer]

Disagree. I reckon the fact that we’re cutting him loose having blown half his time injured is evidence that it was never a long term call. What has changed between his selection and cutting except our season being over. If it was a talent ID decision based on potential, then he’d not be getting cut 5 SANFL games into his career with us.

Just can’t see this as anything other than a short sighted and ridiculously flawed list management decision.

If he’s injured that makes it more likely they were eyeing him for a long term role and wanted to sus him out in our system.

The less games he was fit to play for us this year means it was less likely it was just for this season, you’d be choosing a player that was ready to go.

 

[1970crow]

The do count as 2 of the 3 picks we need to use.

Ash was always seen to be the more talented but also never had the necessary work rate growing up. Glad it’s worked out for him now though.

That’s the exact type you have a crack at. We prefer elite workers with low talent ceilings. The only way is down from there.

 

[Mutineer]

 

[King Elvis]

I'd put Laird up right now whilst everyone considers him a gun Mid.

Wouldn't consider Soligo or Rochelle.

Agree on Laird.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Crouch seems a good fit for them, taking over from Cunnington...unless Cunnington is going to be fit and (importantly) healthy next year.

Doedee might be a good match for them, increase their KPD stocks, but also Berg up forward wouldn't be the worst idea for them

Roos just gave Cunnington a new 2 year deal.

 

[Mutineer]

I'd put Laird up right now whilst everyone considers him a gun Mid.

Wouldn't consider Soligo or Rochelle.

Yeah I'm sure that a long contracted Rory Laird would be ecstatic to start anew at an interstate club.....NOT.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

I don't see us getting JHF this year. Could be very possible in 2023 though.

Likely would need to pay more as contracted at the moment. Doubt Roos release him from his contract.

 

[Soggy2112]

Disagree. I reckon the fact that we’re cutting him loose having blown half his time injured is evidence that it was never a long term call. What has changed between his selection and cutting except our season being over. If it was a talent ID decision based on potential, then he’d not be getting cut 5 SANFL games into his career with us.

Just can’t see this as anything other than a short sighted and ridiculously flawed list management decision.

Yep, Glenelg has every right to be pretty pissed off too that we’ve pinched one of their better players when it seems we had no realistic plan to make him an AFL player.

 

[VictorianCrow85]

Agree on Laird.

You'd be putting an enormous burden on the kids, unless your idea is basically get rid of Laird, then throw in a Crouch or Keays in the midfield to just have mature bodies in there. I'd not be moving Laird on, clearly our best midfielder and in the back half of the year the way he exited the bounces was often much cleaner. It's one thing to get as many minutes and CBA's etc into the kids but to have no hardened bodies around them isn't really ideal either over a long season. Berry is coming along nicely and for his age is pretty hardened but he hasn't got that ball winning end down to the level we need yet to carry us, Soligo probably a couple years off too. Pedlar is the one we badly want to be able to add in there but whether his body holds up & fitness is on the level will be interesting to see.

 

[VictorianCrow85]

Likely would need to pay more as contracted at the moment. Doubt Roos release him from his contract.

Couldn't see Roos letting him off, now they've got Clarkson and probably plenty of change to occur across the club they would more than likely back him in to get a playing environment where he wants to hang around. Only way it happens is if he's genuinely that damn unhappy they figure may aswell cut losses and start over sooner rather than later. I can't see that happening but then I don't know what Jason is like on a day to day basis.

 

[1970crow]

If he’s injured that makes it more likely they were eyeing him for a long term role and wanted to sus him out in our system.

The less games he was fit to play for us this year means it was less likely it was just for this season, you’d be choosing a player that was ready to go.

I reckon they just copped the first couple of games being injured knowing he was ready to go straight after that. And then once season was over, so was his career. I wouldn’t look too deeply given how desperate we have been for wins the last half of the year. All energies directed at that singular goal. This shitful decision likely another anti-rebuild call.

 

[1970crow]

Yeah I'm sure that a long contracted Rory Laird would be ecstatic to start anew at an interstate club.....NOT.

No desire to be involved in a flag contending side? Would rather play out his career finishing in the bottom 6. Great.

 

[Ramify]

Yeah I'm sure that a long contracted Rory Laird would be ecstatic to start anew at an interstate club.....NOT.

Of course he wouldn't, and there is no chance in hell we would do it, but this is an unrealistic hypothetical that makes me happy. I'm not real concerned with what makes Laird happy.

If you had a choice of the 3, which one would you let go first?

 

[CroCop]

Some guy rang 5aa today and said the Crows have someone else on the cards and we will know more in next 48 to 72 hours . Rowey was pressing him and he didn’t wish to give anymore info but sounded like he definitely knew something.

 

[Ramify]

You'd be putting an enormous burden on the kids, unless your idea is basically get rid of Laird, then throw in a Crouch or Keays in the midfield to just have mature bodies in there. I'd not be moving Laird on, clearly our best midfielder and in the back half of the year the way he exited the bounces was often much cleaner. It's one thing to get as many minutes and CBA's etc into the kids but to have no hardened bodies around them isn't really ideal either over a long season. Berry is coming along nicely and for his age is pretty hardened but he hasn't got that ball winning end down to the level we need yet to carry us, Soligo probably a couple years off too. Pedlar is the one we badly want to be able to add in there but whether his body holds up & fitness is on the level will be interesting to see.

Not really. Berry is tracking to overtake Laird in the same role within a couple of years if not next,and we don't need all 4 of those players in our midfield mix.
I agree with your comments about Lairds improved exists from stoppage etc, but you balance that against lack of damage by foot, his current age, trade worth and who is already there to replace him. We are well covered to replace him with meaningless possession winners,so I don't think there is much burden at all if we are only considering his age and number of touches per game as some sort of burden relief.

Anyway, the discussed hypothetical unlikely to eventuate is:-

JHF, Soligo,Rochelle
vs
Laird,Soligo,Rochelle.

I know which one I prefer.

 

[George Kramer]

Some guy rang 5aa today and said the Crows have someone else on the cards and we will know more in next 48 to 72 hours . Rowey was pressing him and he didn’t wish to give anymore info but sounded like he definitely knew something.

If true that would rule out someone in a finals side like Cox if we are going to hear more by then

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Some guy rang 5aa today and said the Crows have someone else on the cards and we will know more in next 48 to 72 hours . Rowey was pressing him and he didn’t wish to give anymore info but sounded like he definitely knew something.

So someone from a non-finalist club.

Edit - EC beat me to it.

 

[VictorianCrow85]

Not really. Berry is tracking to overtake Laird in the same role within a couple of years if not next,and we don't need all 4 of those players in our midfield mix.
I agree with your comments about Lairds improved exists from stoppage etc, but you balance that against lack of damage by foot, his current age, trade worth and who is already there to replace him. We are well covered to replace him with meaningless possession winners,so I don't think there is much burden at all if we are only considering his age and number of touches per game as some sort of burden relief.

Anyway, the discussed hypothetical unlikely to eventuate is:-

JHF, Soligo,Rochelle
vs
Laird,Soligo,Rochelle.

I know which one I prefer.

IF he got us JHF yes I'd absolutely consider it. Just don't think it's going to happen.

 

[Ramify]

IF he got us JHF yes I'd absolutely consider it. Just don't think it's going to happen.

Agreed My main point was that if we were giving up a contracted Gun for JHF, Laird would be my preference over the youngsters.
I don't really see Laird going anywhere.

 

[LeftyLuke]

Agree on Laird.

Would keep Laird but wouldn't hesitate in trading Doedee.

 

[NTRabbit]

Some guy rang 5aa today and said the Crows have someone else on the cards and we will know more in next 48 to 72 hours . Rowey was pressing him and he didn’t wish to give anymore info but sounded like he definitely knew something.

Scarlet Equine

 

[rabidcrow]

Interesting that Clarko is looking to find some 'middle aged' players to top up their list. I wonder if MCrouch, Frampton, Burg (I know he signed) Rowe, Doedee would be interested in a game under Clarko? If that’s the case, I wonder what they might entertain coming back our way?

"We need a couple of guys amid that 27, 28-year-old bracket probably," the newly appointed Shinboners steward told Fox Footy's 'On The Couch'.

Think Shiels Gunston and Mitchell before our boys


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[rabidcrow]

Disagree. I reckon the fact that we’re cutting him loose having blown half his time injured is evidence that it was never a long term call. What has changed between his selection and cutting except our season being over. If it was a talent ID decision based on potential, then he’d not be getting cut 5 SANFL games into his career with us.

Just can’t see this as anything other than a short sighted and ridiculously flawed list management decision.

Theo might be wrong! Imagine a journalist getting it wrong. Turner may get downgraded to rookie status but I reckon he will still be on the list somewhere


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