List Mgmt. 2022 List Management and trading thread

[Scorpus]

I saw this format on the West Coast board and thought it might help understand our current list position

 

[Redline]

Apologies if this has been mentioned.

The AFL rules state you have to take a first round pick at least every three years. Is that a problem if we are seriously into JHF?

I just presumed if he is gettable we would just do a 23 and 24 first round pick as part of the trade but if pick 5 goes as part of the Rankine deal this year then we can't do that.

Apparently the AFL grand t exemptions but I don't think anyone could be confident of that especially as they won't want JHF to leave North.

 

[1990crow]

Apologies if this has been mentioned.

The AFL rules state you have to take a first round pick at least every three years. Is that a problem if we are seriously into JHF?

I just presumed if he is gettable we would just do a 23 and 24 first round pick as part of the trade but if pick 5 goes as part of the Rankine deal this year then we can't do that.

Apparently the AFL grand t exemptions but I don't think anyone could be confident of that especially as they won't want JHF to leave North.

I'm sure our club is incompetent enough to not work that out too.

 

[GrandGazza]

Apologies if this has been mentioned.

The AFL rules state you have to take a first round pick at least every three years. Is that a problem if we are seriously into JHF?

I just presumed if he is gettable we would just do a 23 and 24 first round pick as part of the trade but if pick 5 goes as part of the Rankine deal this year then we can't do that.

Apparently the AFL grand t exemptions but I don't think anyone could be confident of that especially as they won't want JHF to leave North.

Hopefully we can get a second round pick from Gold Coast as a part of the Rankine trade then use the two seconds to move up into the first round.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Hopefully we can get a second round pick from Gold Coast as a part of the Rankine trade then use the two seconds to move up into the first round.

 

[ams4crows]

Hopefully we can get a second round pick from Gold Coast as a part of the Rankine trade then use the two seconds to move up into the first round.

Or ask Gold coast to do the leg work with Brisbane first so that we know we're actually getting pick 15 back

 

[crow2crow]

Or ask Gold coast to do the leg work with Brisbane first so that we know we're actually getting pick 15 back

pick 15 is useless to us - its another small mid no thanks

 

[1990crow]

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Reid:

 

[Dangerousfield]

pick 15 is useless to us - its another small mid no thanks

Could be pick 18 by the time we get to use it.

Hoping this has all been worked out and it's an early deal, gonna hate it if it's a last day trade/no trade

 

[Redline]

Hopefully we can get a second round pick from Gold Coast as a part of the Rankine trade then use the two seconds to move up into the first round.

That could be the way to do it. All depends how likely we think we will need to do some kind of trade for JHF.

 

[BRL121]

Could be pick 18 by the time we get to use it.

Hoping this has all been worked out and it's an early deal, gonna hate it if it's a last day trade/no trade

If it's an early deal, we haven't gone hard enough.
From Reid's talk, it looks like he is planning to take most of the ten days anyway. (Ten days is really ridiculous. It should be five.)

 

[crow2crow]

Hopefully we can get a second round pick from Gold Coast as a part of the Rankine trade then use the two seconds to move up into the first round.

Keep 5, they can have the pick in the teens

 

[Mego Red]

Keep 5, they can have the pick in the teens

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[CrowToon]

I'm fairly convinced at this point a lot of people in the football media don't actually watch that much football.

It was like he just watched Rendell's analysis from the day before who clearly does watch us [yes I know he does] and tried to remember what he said but turned up pretty blank so just reverted to the late 2020 narrative.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Looks like mcasey could be on the move , so should we ask for a top 6 pick using vic media bias logic plus he has a contract ?

Pick in the 20's or we may as well keep him & hope he comes good.

 

[crowholder]

Looks like mcasey could be on the move , so should we ask for a top 6 pick using vic media bias logic plus he has a contract ?

Don't forget that we will need more than a top 6 pick due to all of the work we did with him on and off the field

 

[Redline]

I'm fairly convinced at this point a lot of people in the football media don't actually watch that much football.

They don't, unless it's a game they are working at or a special interest they just make it up. To be fair I think Kane is the only one that appears to be accross all 18 teams.

He says he watches all games but it can take until Monday night to get through then.

 

[GrandGazza]

pick 15 is useless to us - its another small mid no thanks

Players like Brayden George and Henry Hustwaite are around that mark. Does not have to be Hotton or Konstanty.

 

[MRB37]

Apologies if this has been mentioned.

The AFL rules state you have to take a first round pick at least every three years. Is that a problem if we are seriously into JHF?

I just presumed if he is gettable we would just do a 23 and 24 first round pick as part of the trade but if pick 5 goes as part of the Rankine deal this year then we can't do that.

Apparently the AFL grand t exemptions but I don't think anyone could be confident of that especially as they won't want JHF to leave North.

Googling says you need to use have used 2 in a 4 year period, so for next year that means we'd have had to have used 2 1st rounders through the 2019, 2020, 2021 and 2022 seasons.

We've got

2019 - McAsey
2020 - Thilthorpe, Pedlar, Cook
2021 - Rachele
2022 - Nil (assuming we trade 5 for Rankine)

So there shouldn't be any issues trading our 2023 pick and future 1st in 2024 and as long as we pick up someone in 2025 we'd still have taken 2 in a 4 year period. Basically I think having taken 3 in 2020 means we're a bit ahead of the curve in having the numbers needed to satisfy the requirements.

 

[GrommoT]

Googling says you need to use have used 2 in a 4 year period, so for next year that means we'd have had to have used 2 1st rounders through the 2019, 2020, 2021 and 2022 seasons.

We've got

2019 - McAsey
2020 - Thilthorpe, Pedlar, Cook
2021 - Rachele
2022 - Nil (assuming we trade 5 for Rankine)

So there shouldn't be any issues trading our 2023 pick and future 1st in 2024 and as long as we pick up someone in 2025 we'd still have taken 2 in a 4 year period. Basically I think having taken 3 in 2020 means we're a bit ahead of the curve in having the numbers needed to satisfy the requirements.

Violating this rule has a bit of being hit by a wet lettuce penalty anyhow (ie. can't trade future picks).

But because if it's us it would be a frozen tuna ... am I doing it right ?

 

[MRB37]

Violating this rule has a bit of being hit by a wet lettuce penalty anyhow (ie. can't trade future picks).

But because if it's us it would be a frozen tuna ... am I doing it right ?

Supposedly the AFL take into account the age of the player being brought in too. So if it's Rankine and JHF, by their own idea that would be fine because it's a young player who'll have a long career. The idea on the rule was so you didn't trade in those 30 year olds every year to try and top up your list and then be devastated in 4-5 years time when you had no youth and a bunch of players retired.

 

[GrommoT]

Supposedly the AFL take into account the age of the player being brought in too. So if it's Rankine and JHF, by their own idea that would be fine because it's a young player who'll have a long career. The idea on the rule was so you didn't trade in those 30 year olds every year to try and top up your list and then be devastated in 4-5 years time when you had no youth and a bunch of players retired.

JHF probably (if we got him next year), Rankine ... maybe. In any case, it would be ridiculous in our case given how many youth we've brought in the last few years.

 

[Redline]

Googling says you need to use have used 2 in a 4 year period, so for next year that means we'd have had to have used 2 1st rounders through the 2019, 2020, 2021 and 2022 seasons.

We've got

2019 - McAsey
2020 - Thilthorpe, Pedlar, Cook
2021 - Rachele
2022 - Nil (assuming we trade 5 for Rankine)

So there shouldn't be any issues trading our 2023 pick and future 1st in 2024 and as long as we pick up someone in 2025 we'd still have taken 2 in a 4 year period. Basically I think having taken 3 in 2020 means we're a bit ahead of the curve in having the numbers needed to satisfy the requirements.

Wouldn't it be look like this though in this four year block?
2021 - Rachele
2022 - Nil (assuming we trade 5 for Rankine)
2023 - Nil (Trade for JHF)
2024 - Nil (Trade for JFH)

Cal Twoomy said the AFL would approve it given what we are trading for. My point is I just don't trust the AFL

 

[MRB37]

Wouldn't it be look like this though in this four year block?
2021 - Rachele
2022 - Nil (assuming we trade 5 for Rankine)
2023 - Nil (Trade for JHF)
2024 - Nil (Trade for JFH)

Cal Twoomy said the AFL would approve it given what we are trading for. My point is I just don't trust the AFL

They kept using the word "preceding" in the article I read on why they could trade into the future, so in 2023 we'd of met their criteria still.

It'd just mean after that we couldn't trade 2025/2026 1st rounders I'm guessing.

 

[anonymous Derik]

Wouldn't it be look like this though in this four year block?
2021 - Rachele
2022 - Nil (assuming we trade 5 for Rankine)
2023 - Nil (Trade for JHF)
2024 - Nil (Trade for JFH)

Cal Twoomy said the AFL would approve it given what we are trading for. My point is I just don't trust the AFL

By the end of next year if JHF still wants out it might only take an early first and second, his value certainly hasn’t increased to this point!

 

[CROW in BALI]

A little Gem from trade radio when discussing the Oliver Henry trade request , not sure which nuffie it was but I am sure I heard one speak of the “Genuine go home factor” . Collingwood to Geelong a long way apparently .