List Mgmt. 2022 List Management: Draft, Trade and FA

[Taylor]

Treacy is a year ahead of Amiss and has absolutely torn apart a half of WAFL footy like he was Wayne Carey in his prime and both of them are young men still. Thankfully Treacy is contracted because they'll be coming for him.

To me, the measure of a key forward is the marking power and Treacy has it. He doesn't have the leap to mark but he will look like Tom Hawkins

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Tom Hawkins

Age

36

Ht

197cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.2

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

4.4

3star

M

5.5

5star

T

1.9

4star

G

2.1

5star

D

12.7

3star

K

8.6

3star

HB

4.1

3star

M

5.1

5star

T

2.1

3star

G

1.6

5star

D

7.8

2star

K

5.6

3star

HB

2.2

2star

M

4.2

4star

T

1.0

3star

G

2.2

5star

in two years time - but he better not be wearing another team's top by that point.

 

[mightymouse75]

With spots as tight as they are, is Eric Benning at risk?

His stats are always terrible for wafl reserves.

I'll admit I haven't watched him, and I understand it takes these tall ruck/forward guys longer to develop, but it's still worrying. Has anyone watched much of him that can shed some light?

He has been underwhelming at best.
The club will make the correct decision.

 

[BigRang]

He has been underwhelming at best.
The club will make the correct decision.

He's skinny as a rake and not many ruckmen get a heap of stats... He was always going to be a long term project IMO.

 

[BigRang]

Treacy is a year ahead of Amiss and has absolutely torn apart a half of WAFL footy like he was Wayne Carey in his prime and both of them are young men still. Thankfully Treacy is contracted because they'll be coming for him.

To me, the measure of a key forward is the marking power and Treacy has it. He doesn't have the leap to mark but he will look like Tom Hawkins in two years time - but he better not be wearing another team's top by that point.

Agree.
Treacy and Amiss are very different footballers. They'll complement each other perfectly I reckon. They are both actual footballers first and athletes second I think. When we have two actual footballers running around in our forward line linking up with our Mariana trench deep midfield look out.

Also agree with Docker82 that with another preseason Treacy will come on a lot quicker than people think.

 

[Taylor]

Shin issues in preseason take quite a bit of work to overcome. We could find a spot on the senior list by moving him to the rookie list if it's needed. I certainly would look to poach Western over Benning if the two were both available to take off Freo's hands.

 

[BigRang]

Shin issues in preseason take quite a bit of work to overcome. We could find a spot on the senior list by moving him to the rookie list if it's needed. I certainly would look to poach Western over Benning if the two were both available to take off Freo's hands.

I used to get shin splints every pre-season. It was a pain in the arse. My game (like Benning) was pace/athletic ability based (Not much good at the physical stuff) when it hurts every time your foot hits the ground it makes it hard... If he can get on top of it he'll be ok I think.

 

[salim malik]

You put Benning in the slow cook pot and watch him turn into a tasty nosh up.
2 years from now he will be a wow ,
Freo are doing all the right things with his raw talent. Slow and steady.

 

[Cesoir]

Treacy and Benning are both a waste of space. Treacy has been on the list for two seasons and hasn't won a Coleman yet, and I'd expect Benning to be dominating WAFL by now.

Sell them both off for whatever we can get.

 

[ubiquitous226]

Treacy and Benning are both a waste of space. Treacy has been on the list for two seasons and hasn't won a Coleman yet, and I'd expect Benning to be dominating WAFL by now.

Sell them both off for whatever we can get.

The one I'd be getting rid of is Fyfe, too injury prone.

 

[Purpleheart_56]

Treacy is trying too hard,when he plays.He needs to take it notch down and everything is gonna start working better...

Same goes for Erasmus.

 

[Superkoops]

Interesting take. I kind of see it the other way.

I don't have any issues with how Cerra departed. He gave us four years of service, then decided to head home to be closer to family. All the while being a consummate professional in his final year and not letting his contract talks cause issues for the club. Furthermore, he left and (in my mind) we were adequately compensated considering he was out of contract and we only had one suitor to deal with that could come close to meeting our demands. Unfortunately we win some and we lose some. This was one that we lost, the key thing though is that Cerra didn't leave because of perceived issues, for money, for success, or otherwise. I'm pretty sure he was quoted at some point saying that football is just a job for him. Love him or hate him, Cerra was honest and did everything right by the club aside from staying. I admire the way he handled everything.

Neale didn't have any family in Brisbane. He's a SA boy who laid roots in WA, so what pull did he have to go over there? The average punter doesn't know the exact reason, but it was obviously for one or a combination of the following: money and/or success. Fagan sold him the dream that the grass was greener on the other side and that he would be paid handsomely for being a part of it. I don't buy this idea that he didn't want to be in Fyfe's shadow. Football is a team game and I would guess that the most driven players (of which Neale is one) want team success first and foremost. If Neale was asked if he'd trade his Brownlow and any other personal accolades for a premiership, I'm sure he'd say yes. As would Fyfe.

Our team was at a low-ebb at the time and in the midst of a full rebuild. It's been publicised that there were issues/situations in the playing group and with Lyon that occurred around that time that may have influenced Neale's decision. Brisbane was showing positive signs at the time, but hadn't totally broken out into the quality team that they are now. We also know that Freo likely lowballed him with their initial offer, but when we came to the table his mind was already made up about leaving. I have no doubt that Freo did enough to meet his demands in the end, financial or otherwise, but he wasn't invested in Freo by that point. If he really loved the club he would have accepted our offer and pulled the pin on his move.

Guys like Fyfe, Mundy, Walters and Tabs have all carried the load and done the hard yards throughout the entire rebuild. They've dealt with the losses that Neale dealt with, they've dealt with the crap that went on amongst the playing group that Neale dealt with, they've dealt with the upheaval associated with Lyon and Rosich departing the following year after Neale left. Most of these guys would have been offered opportunities at other clubs that would have equally tempted them. But they weren't tempted and Neale was, and that's the point.

Cerra had valid reasons to leave. He went back to his home city to be closer to family. Lucky for him there was a club there that could facilitate a trade with us. He was invested in us, but we could never offer him the one thing he always wanted most.

Neale left to chase a premiership and coin in a city he had absolutely no reason to be in. He wasn't invested in our club anymore, whilst our other leaders in the playing group sacrificed and stuck fat through the hard times. Thankfully, they are now beginning to enjoy the fruits of their labour.

Just as Neale did in 2018 when he saw the green shoots at Brisbane, he wanted to make the move back to Freo last year when he knew we were on the up. I can't reconcile with this. I love this club and I'm probably a selfish member, but I don't want to see Neale in purple again and I have no issue with supporters who choose to boo him when he shows his face at Optus. Our club is where it's at now because we've invested in both the future and in those players who chose to stay. Bringing Neale back into the fold flies in the face of everything that has been gained since he left.

If Neale is so desperate to come back to WA, he can deal with West Coast for all I care. We do not need him, we have enough natural growth in our midfield group to mitigate the benefits he would bring, and he would stifle the development opportunities for our young midfield stars that we've recently drafted.

Fair call. Personally I think the club moved on from Neale and also feel he won’t be requesting a trade. He is out of contract the year after and if we are looking for a replacement for Mundy next year instead of end of this year then sure happy to have a crack.

I also don’t understand why so many are still speaking about Neal to Freo so much.

I’m still interested in Angus Brayshaw but only as a replacement for Mundy (which would further rule out Neale for mine). However listening to Longmuir yesterday sounds like Mundy is a good chance to go around again.

 

[Superkoops]

Supporters giving Benning a hard time are bit off for mine. He basically had no pre-season and is developing away in the reserves. He has had a couple of decent games - one I know he got over 20 possessions. You need to remember that the reserves game time is much shorter than WAFL league. Scores are lower and team stats are lower. Peel Reserves are also pretty average to be honest. So the ball doesn’t go forward too much.

I was a little surprised at the time that the club pulled the trigger on the ND but there was talk Essendon were interested in making a bid with a late pick. We could delist and add him to the Rookie list. In fact thinking about it I’d rather we do that then delist Sturt and move him to the rookie list. Either way he will be at the club next year and is quite a few years off being AFL ready and that is fine. I expect he’ll get a taste of WAFL league action before the season is out and that is fine. Hopefully his shins and other leg issues are all good for him to actually have a pre-season after the end of this year.

 

[GingerDocker]

Supporters giving Benning a hard time are bit off for mine. He basically had no pre-season and is developing away in the reserves. He has had a couple of decent games - one I know he got over 20 possessions. You need to remember that the reserves game time is much shorter than WAFL league. Scores are lower and team stats are lower. Peel Reserves are also pretty average to be honest. So the ball doesn’t go forward too much.

I was a little surprised at the time that the club pulled the trigger on the ND but there was talk Essendon were interested in making a bid with a late pick. We could delist and add him to the Rookie list. In fact thinking about it I’d rather we do that then delist Sturt and move him to the rookie list. Either way he will be at the club next year and is quite a few years off being AFL ready and that is fine. I expect he’ll get a taste of WAFL league action before the season is out and that is fine. Hopefully his shins and other leg issues are all good for him to actually have a pre-season after the end of this year.

If other clubs were potentially interested in him, pre draft, would it be a risk going with the delist and re-rookie strategy?

Could it be a Levi Greenwood situation?

 

[Boomer93]

If an afl listed player is getting 8 touches 0 goals in the wafl reserves its fine to raise the question. People are so defensive you can't even have a mature discussion.

 

[freo_leo29]

If an afl listed player is getting 8 touches 0 goals in the wafl reserves its fine to raise the question. People are so defensive you can't even have a mature discussion.

Your expectations are too high, he is coming from colts footy, was a late pick in the draft, has come off injury concerns, a low fitness base and is a tall so will have ups and downs

You can't just pluck his worst game for the season, what about the other games where he is building?


The 8 touches he still has 15 hitouts he is also showing growth from earlier in the year with disposal numbers increasing, hitouts increasing and scoring shots increasing (except when he is sent to the fwd/ruck role which is a low numbers position)

 

[ubiquitous226]

Fair call. Personally I think the club moved on from Neale and also feel he won’t be requesting a trade. He is out of contract the year after and if we are looking for a replacement for Mundy next year instead of end of this year then sure happy to have a crack.

I also don’t understand why so many are still speaking about Neal to Freo so much.

I’m still interested in Angus Brayshaw but only as a replacement for Mundy (which would further rule out Neale for mine). However listening to Longmuir yesterday sounds like Mundy is a good chance to go around again.

I'm assuming the discussion of Neale is really related to his partner & co.
With a young child and lack of direct support, either his partner or her family might be wanting them to move back to WA.
That starts conversations, regardless of what Neale, his manager or Freo might be saying.

Neale is a great player, but probably even more so than last year we just don't need him.

 

[Boomer93]

Your expectations are too high, he is coming from colts footy, was a late pick in the draft, has come off injury concerns, a low fitness base and is a tall so will have ups and downs

You can't just pluck his worst game for the season, what about the other games where he is building?


The 8 touches he still has 15 hitouts he is also showing growth from earlier in the year with disposal numbers increasing, hitouts increasing and scoring shots increasing (except when he is sent to the fwd/ruck role which is a low numbers position)

He averages 10 disposals and has only kicked 1 goal across 7 wafl reserves games.

I would be worried if he was averaging a 10 disposals and a goal a game, but he's only kicked 1 for the season.

 

[theGav56]

I'm assuming the discussion of Neale is really related to his partner & co.
With a young child and lack of direct support, either his partner or her family might be wanting them to move back to WA.
That starts conversations, regardless of what Neale, his manager or Freo might be saying.

Neale is a great player, but probably even more so than last year we just don't need him.

Maybe. I was pretty happy to raise kids away from family. Maybe that's not typical but it also wouldn't be unique. The narrative I heard around the trade was escaping family was part of the mix.

 

[Scham]

He averages 10 disposals and has only kicked 1 goal across 7 wafl reserves games.

I would be worried if he was averaging a 10 disposals and a goal a game, but he's only kicked 1 for the season.

I doubt he's playing anywhere near full minutes. He was coming from a long way back fitness wise and a small tank was already well known. He's very much a WIP.

 

[freo_leo29]

He averages 10 disposals and has only kicked 1 goal across 7 wafl reserves games.

I would be worried if he was averaging a 10 disposals and a goal a game, but he's only kicked 1 for the season.

he played the ruck/fwd role again on the weekend and had 2 shots, thats decent


He is coming from a long way back, there needs to be patience

 

[tonygeeks]

If an afl listed player is getting 8 touches 0 goals in the wafl reserves its fine to raise the question. People are so defensive you can't even have a mature discussion.

Toe the party line if you want to be chummy with everyone on here or just go rogue and post what you like

Some players are fair game , you’ll get the hang of it




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[Bender571]

If an afl listed player is getting 8 touches 0 goals in the wafl reserves its fine to raise the question. People are so defensive you can't even have a mature discussion.

What parts of the Benning discussion haven't been mature?

 

[ubiquitous226]

Maybe. I was pretty happy to raise kids away from family. Maybe that's not typical but it also wouldn't be unique. The narrative I heard around the trade was escaping family was part of the mix.

Good on you, not the easiest thing to do.

We would have given it a crack (it was on the cards for work) but I know my wife would have struggled for the first year.

Impossible to know from the outside, just floating an idea of how the chatter could pop up without being instigated from Neale or Freo.
And that's without people just gossiping and putting 2 and 2 together to make 10.

 

[Boomer93]

I doubt he's playing anywhere near full minutes. He was coming from a long way back fitness wise and a small tank was already well known. He's very much a WIP.

If he isn't playing full minutes then that's a bit more understandable. Was hoping more people who had watched him could comment, the only one who did was negative unfortunately.

 

[Boomer93]

Toe the party line if you want to be chummy with everyone on here or just go rogue and post what you like

Some players are fair game , you’ll get the hang of it




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Hahahah copy that. Banfield is crap isn't he...