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Thanks for making this an awesome trade period peeps. Will be locking this thread later tonight
Game Day 2022 Trade Period Match Thread
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Why not also trade Taberner, Fyfe and Walters too? (not seriously asking)
Lobb is our best, most available, forward - we win more games when he is playing.
Lobb & F2 (NorthPP) for Naughton and F2
Now work backwards to find the Value of Lobb. It's more than #21 to us.
Geographical bias would be the reason he isn’t
All three of those players will be at Freo in 2024 unless they retire. Lobb won't.
Also Naughton would literally cost as much as Jackson did. He'd also have no interest in playing for us.
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Fine post.If the 5-on-the-bench thing is real, then absolutely I think we keep both Lobb and Meek, simply because we'll really need them both, even with Jackson on the list.
Having five on the bench (if true) I think would immediately lead to lots more swapping of players between different positions during a game - not just for us, and not just in the ruck, but for all teams everywhere. We'll either be the instigator if it, or responding to other teams doing it, as it's the ideal way to both create mismatches for size and / or speed, to keep your damaging players fresh, to blood /expose youth without losing experience, and to deliver playing time to fringe players who deserve it, but just aren't getting a shot, and will start to look elsewhere for opportunities shortly (not just us with that problem).
Lobb is 30 and is gone after next year, but we don't have two 30-goal kpf players to replace him with yet (doubt we'll get a full season out of Tabs again next year I'm sorry to say...). Amiss and Treacy are still too far away to replace either Lobb or Tabs as a main threat. Yes Jackson could replace Lobb, but we'll still need him elsewhere as well.
We'll often need another big body in at the clearances next year, as well as in defense. Our opponents targeted Brodie as our only big-bodied midfield extractor in our last few games, and our clearances really suffered as a result. We've also lost Mundy and Acres in the midfield - both of whom had decent size, and Logue in Defense. Fyfe wasn't really fit or up to speed this year and looked to have lost a yard of pace. Unless his shoulder repair included installing a time machine, we should expect at least some of the same thing next year. Serong and Andy are both good but small-ish, and struggled to constantly contain the bigger stronger midfielders like Cripps, Curnow etc. A little extra help here would be welcome. Ras and Johnson are promising but green, and don't have AFL bodies yet - neither are ready to fill the void when Brodie is tagged out of it, or goes down with injury. If it's not Jackson in there it may be Banfield, but good as he is, he lacks that tiny bit of polish in the guts.
Alternating two rucks in Darce and Meek gives both of them game-time, reduces playing loads and the risk of soft tissue injuries, and gives them both time to rest. The whole 'ruck resting forward' thing doesn't really stand up anymore IMO - multiple high-speed full field transitions seem to be the current trend, helping out on defensive transitions are expected, and English et. Al. all ran Darce ragged at times last year. I'd much rather alternate Darce and Meek to keep them both fresh, while keeping Lobb forward and Jackson somewhere in the middle - it maintains our ruck dominance throughout the game, without robbing us of our best key forward.
I would only play Jackson as a ruckman sparingly - more as a shock tactic or a change-up/pinch hitting ruck than anything else, and as a dedicated swingman for the rest of the time, playing him anywhere / everywhere during the match / season (or close to it)... to completely f**k with the opposition's match-ups as much as anything.
Even if you don't play Jackson in the guts or up forward, having him roam across half back as an intercept mark might allow us to swing Chappie onto a wing and Young in the midfield, or vice versa... Both have enormous potential playing through there, but they're not being trialled there now, as there's no versatile coverage for either down back... They are staying there through list inflexibility as much as their talent as defenders. Keeping Jackson solely up forward, or as a second ruck, means that these two might get fewer chances to shift around... If we lose Lobb or Meek then that's what Jackson will be forced to do, and there goes his number one strength - being able to play basically any position, and create massive match-up headaches everywhere he goes over an entire match.
Aishe is a great swingman who wants for nothing, except perhaps height. Versatile as he is though, there's still some roles he can't play through sheer physical height or strength mismatches. Jackson being there too eliminates that problem... So even if some forward is too quick or slippery for Jackson, Aishe can cover them, and once again you free up one of our young talented half-backs to go elsewhere and do some real damage.
I could go on and on, but you get the idea... Jackson really is a genuine unicorn who can drive opposing coaches crazy with his abilities. The second you permanently lose either Lobb or Meek however, then he will be required to fill only that role, which renders his huge price tag and reputation instantly redundant. He'll be forced into repeatedly filling one or two tall KP roles through a list shortage, rather than filling any role on the fly during a game.
Personally I'd rather have Darce and Meek both playing if it means we can keep a tall marking option in Lobby up forward at all times, while also sending Jackson off to free up someone else to go and really twist the knife somewhere more useful.
I want to keep Meek too, not least because he's an agile-ish big bloke. Any possibility he could also move forward at times for a goal or two?
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If Jackson isn't playing first ruck when Darcy is injured then we are using him wrong
Treacy can fwd/ruck he spent all year learning it in the wafl
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Picture this, we start the season with Jackson in the middle and he is Cripps/Fyfe like. Dominant at the ground ball. The AFL media is talking about him like a brownlow fav.
Then Darcy gets injured.
I think moving him into the ruck then removes two of our elite players.
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blow realism, we all have our dreams....
If we get it, we can pick Bailey Humphrey!
Hope this is a Lachie weller type situation and we stay firm
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Sauce?
I Didn’t say I agreed with it.
I doubt we're getting 11, but if we did I'd hope we didn't pick Humphrey. His kicking won't stand up at AFL level.
Hewett will be around there. I'd prefer him by the length of Ascot.
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