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True, but if trade negotiations break down and a big fish is OOC past the deadline watch clubs with early PSD picks burn the midnight oil to try and accommodate an over the top salary.
Perhaps it will be Dunkley rather than Jackson?
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Having looked at the player movement landscape a lot in recent years, I can understand more now why key forwards are worth so much of a premium.
It’s why GWS want pick one. It’s all about Cadman.
They know more than most - there’s dozens of conoglio and Whitfield types in the draft over the years ahead but they will never attract an elite key forward to western Sydney if he’s not drafted by them.
It’s why GWS want pick one. It’s all about Cadman.
They know more than most - there’s dozens of conoglio and Whitfield types in the draft over the years ahead but they will never attract an elite key forward to western Sydney if he’s not drafted by them.
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Watched him at Claremont a fair bit. He's a really mobile up and back type. Also a good lead-up forward.
Absolutely that’s why talls are highly rated but they also bust often because it’s very hard to judge talls as 17 year olds because not fully developed. Some just don’t develop and beat up on kids their own age.
Everything I read about Lukosious was that this kid would be the next big thing. He’s not done much.
GWS themselves have had Paton, Boyd, Cameron, Lobb in the past… plus a heap of ones I don’t know off the top of my head.
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If this scenario plays out and the Bulldogs end up Brisbane‘s 18 here and their F1, I think that I’d be pushing for the Bulldogs F1 for Lobb as 1st counter offer, followed by Brisbane’s F1.
We currently have our F2, Norths PP2, Norths PP3, Carlton’s F3. Even after the Jackson trade we should have enough capital for us to trade back into a late 1st/early 2nd this year. Sydneys 17 for instance or even Hawthorn’s 24 could be getable with the Meek deal And other pick swaps.
It would be a massive win for us to end up with Jackson, whilst clawing back 1st rounders this year and next, for the loss of Lobb, Logue, Meek & Tucker.
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Just no way the Dogs handover anything that good, 18 would be such a ridiculous win as it is
The media fails to address the most obvious and important factor whenever they're talking about Jackson's trade to Freo.
That is the player's consent to trade.
Unlike US sports where players can be traded without their consent, AFL players hold the veto in our transfer system, not the clubs. Some on the forum have raised this on previous occasions.
So if Jackson wants to get to Freo and has expressed privately to both Melbourne and WC that this is where he wants to be (which appears to be the case), then the noise we're hearing in the media is completely irrelevant, WC are irrelevent, and Melbourne's wants are ultimately irrelevant. Melbourne can't force Jackson to go to WC, they can only force him into the PSD which won't happen as that's more of a disaster for them than accepting our fair and reasonable offer. 2x 1st round picks for an uncontracted player is nothing to scoff at, even if those picks are mid to late 1st round.
Jackson is coming to Freo 100%. Melbourne, Freo & Jackson's management are conducting a PR exercise for Melbourne to publicly save face for when they accept our offer. This is all it is, a charade.
That is the player's consent to trade.
Unlike US sports where players can be traded without their consent, AFL players hold the veto in our transfer system, not the clubs. Some on the forum have raised this on previous occasions.
So if Jackson wants to get to Freo and has expressed privately to both Melbourne and WC that this is where he wants to be (which appears to be the case), then the noise we're hearing in the media is completely irrelevant, WC are irrelevent, and Melbourne's wants are ultimately irrelevant. Melbourne can't force Jackson to go to WC, they can only force him into the PSD which won't happen as that's more of a disaster for them than accepting our fair and reasonable offer. 2x 1st round picks for an uncontracted player is nothing to scoff at, even if those picks are mid to late 1st round.
Jackson is coming to Freo 100%. Melbourne, Freo & Jackson's management are conducting a PR exercise for Melbourne to publicly save face for when they accept our offer. This is all it is, a charade.
Will it though?
The only one it would make look ordinary is Jackson because he has privately committed to coming to us. He'd have to publicly nominate Freo if that was to occur.
We still get our man.
If he doesn't publicly tell WC to GAGF we don't owe him anything and should pass if the price is anything more than 13 and our F2.
Spot on.
Yeah I think my point is more relevant to the clubs on the fringes of the game for various reasons - us and eagles for being located in WA, the Adelaide clubs (though it’s a lot closer to vic which does help them a bit), gws and the suns for having no history or attractiveness or crowds.
It’s less of an Issue for the geelongs and Richmond’s of the world.
For example, if Cadman goes to GWS and is a gun, there’s a strong chance that he plays for a big vic club in future at some stage. Not the saints or bulldogs or north - one of the powerhouse clubs.
But there’s zero chances he ever plays for freo.
We can only get elite key forwards if they are from WA. Kennedy at WCE is a good example.
The only exception is when a high profile elite key forward wants to leave the Vic fishbowl. But in that instance, he’s not going to Adelaide or Perth. Instead it’s Daniher to Brisbane, or Buddy to Sydney type deals that are done. That’s purely to get these guys out of the microscope. A rare enough occurrence really.
Players like Tom lynch, Ben king, Harry Mackay (if he decided to move ever), Jeremy cameron , Charlie Curnow, etc etc.
we are never in contention for those guys. Ever.
It’s an inherent advantage the big vic clubs have over us all the time.
Few WA key forwards become truly elite in the comp. I’m not sure if Buddy ever seriously considered coming back to WA after 2004, he was one.
There is lots of talk about Logan mcD, JVR, Georgiades etc etc but they are all just potential right now. None are elite or anywhere near it yet.
I suppose the point is the options for us to trade in elite talent are about 30% of what’s available to big vic clubs and so when a talent line Jackson wants to come to freo (a very rare occurrence), you just have to make it work and get him in.
It could be 15 years before a talent of similar level nominated freo in a trade again.
We are not Geelong or Collingwood.
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For as much crap as they spout on Continental Tyres AFL Trade Radio for Rheem hot water (install a Rheem), one of the numpties did make a good point. If you were an interstate club (particularly GWS or GC) why would you bother drafting a player from down Geelong way when Geelong will come knocking after a couple of years if they are any good. You would be better off taking one of the metro boys. While it isn't necessarily the case for us and hasn't been for the country boys in particular, you can see how interstate clubs might be scared of taking Geelong Falcons players.
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