List Mgmt. 2022 Trade Thread - Part II

[Dr Spaceman]

So we draft 28 players in 3 years. Is that really your plan?

Gringo says ”YES”

 

[Remboy]

Of all of them, I wish clav was still on the list. Young defenders take a while to come good and I thought he showed enough. He was also a pretty tall fella.

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I thought he showed enough in his couple of years to be retained. But Highmore probably replaced him on the list and even he can’t get a game.

 

[Remboy]

How do you see it playing out, realistically it has the potential to be a monumental stuff up.

I don’t see how it can be a stuff up at all. We’ve made an offer. He either accepts it and comes to us as a FA or he stays at the Pies. We’re not going to offer him a mill a year and won’t give up any picks in a trade for him.

 

[Remboy]

Gringo says ”YES”

Our contested possession numbers would be through the roof.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

You have young blokes that are in their prime to head to the bars and nightclubs with disposable income....seriously, what do you think would happen?

It's prevalent in clubs in the country on minimal income, it's certainly bigger in the metro area

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Doesn't make it good.
There are plenty of rockstars who died young and you can kind of guess why.

Kind of stupid to eat all the right foods and live a healthy lifestyle, then stick that stuff in yourself.
Its also addictive, which is fine when you can afford it, but post footy, things could easily turn Sam Fisher.

Better than the crystal meth the peasants are taking though.

 

[lewdogs]

fleecing how?

We got him without having to trade. We used free agency perfectly even though they would have wanted a lot more picks wise.

 

[gringo2011]

If we'd won a flag in the last few decades, had made finals in the last decade, had a 20% better list, hadn't had such shocking luck with injury/concussions e.t.c, we might have been more prepared to bottom out (again).

When you're a small club, if you bottom out for long enough people start talking Tasmania. We would have had draftees coming in with no leadership or talent above them. Basically we would have been North. Or Melbourne of the previous several years (happy ending, but not sure we remember clearly just how dreadful that would have been for Dees supporters).

Unfortunately, as a battling club, we have to put survival first. Frankly I couldn't care less if we bottom out, collect draft picks and win a flag in 8 years time in Hobart or Launceston or wherever the hell they're going to be.

Things could be worse - just wish we didn't play such goddamn ugly football and had a few more stars to watch.

We didn't need to bottom out again, it would have taken less time in all likelihood. Hill cost us a lot of draft capital and it looks like it will all go in the bin. Didn't maximise return on players we traded out, paid overs for players that didn't work out etc. It was poorly thought out and having Lethlean do the review and restructure the list with no experience was another of those mystifying appointments.

We did rebuild 3 as a top up when the foundation had been removed. It was very unlikely. I think we potentially play finals next year if everything goes right but if we don't the club probably goes for another rebuild and we''ll out do most of the other worst run clubs in the equalisation era.

 

[lewdogs]

How do you see it playing out, realistically it has the potential to be a monumental stuff up.

I think their fans will want some trade value. If we end up getting him for nothing pick wise then it will be a great move. A lot will depend on whether the Pies end up matching our offer.

The fact that they haven't even offered him a contract yet is interesting. But really, no idea how it plays out.

 

[gringo2011]

So we draft 28 players in 3 years. Is that really your plan?

Why would I follow their idiot plan? You can phase the players out rather than hard cull. You can top up sensibly without going the full rug out from under your feet stuff. I wouldn't have been so reckless. Part of any side is cohesion.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

That article is pretty inaccurate. It can cause all those issues but it's not as addictive physically as things like heroin. It is made using diesel fuel so eats the septum out between your nostrils if you abuse it long enough and lots of other things like that but it's probably overstated a lot in that article.

its pretty bad for the ticker. Permanent hardening of the heart muscles.

Some people are more inclined to become addicted than others.

And if its cheap in country clubs, i'd suggest its more ice than cocaine.

 

[gringo2011]

We got him without having to trade. We used free agency perfectly even though they would have wanted a lot more picks wise.

I doubt we would have bothered if he cost a trade. They really had FA to leverage off.

 

[BigMonty]

And would help if he ran TOWARDS ball!

Runs more kms for easy handball and runs a circle to avoid contact. Easy to run from cruising to flat stick. Hard went riding a bump getting up and going from a standing start.
I just think he has been wrong type of player from the get go....no harm in moving him on to a new club win win hopefully.

We will never win a flag with Hill.

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[DougalHoward]

We got him without having to trade. We used free agency perfectly even though they would have wanted a lot more picks wise.

they wanted him gone another case of us picking up other clubs rejects

 

[lewdogs]

I doubt we would have bothered if he cost a trade. They really had FA to leverage off.

Yep which is what we used as our leverage. Interesting to see if JDG plays out the same.

 

[lewdogs]

they wanted him gone another case of us picking up other clubs rejects

They would have been hoping for a first round compo.

 

[Diehard Saint]

Lethlean and Gags' finest moment was probably fleecing Adelaide with the Crouch move. Played it beautifully.

It will be very interesting to see how De Goey plays out.

Hill too. We shouldn't be giving him away.

 

[gringo2011]

Yep which is what we used as our leverage. Interesting to see if JDG plays out the same.

He’d take a lot more cash. He’s not at a club trying to start a rebuild and is still required. They haven’t got much cap space unless they unload Grundy and even then…Rumours saying he’s signed with the Pies for 2 years anyway.

 

[BrutThough]

Seems like we are in for another very quiet trade period.

 

[lewdogs]

He’d take a lot more cash. He’s not at a club trying to start a rebuild and is still required. They haven’t got much cap space unless they unload Grundy and even then…Rumours saying he’s signed with the Pies for 2 years anyway.

The Pies came out and said they've put off contract talks to the end of the year.

 

[sunny3193]

That article is pretty inaccurate. It can cause all those issues but it's not as addictive physically as things like heroin. It is made using diesel fuel so eats the septum out between your nostrils if you abuse it long enough and lots of other things like that but it's probably overstated a lot in that article.

I guess if you’re not a mouth breather it helps to have a third nostril.

 

[gringo2011]

The Pies came out and said they've put off contract talks to the end of the year.

Might have but just saying that people are pretty adamant that he's re-signed. Even if it's not true I think that he's more likely to stay than leave unless we blow him away with a huge condition free mega offer. After Hill the board probably don't approve an at all costs type of scenario.

 

[Veer Right]

I don’t see how it can be a stuff up at all. We’ve made an offer. He either accepts it and comes to us as a FA or he stays at the Pies. We’re not going to offer him a mill a year and won’t give up any picks in a trade for him.

We can offer him 5-6 years at 800-900k a year. No reason at all that can backfire.

 

[jwikked]

Might have but just saying that people are pretty adamant that he's re-signed. Even if it's not true I think that he's more likely to stay than leave unless we blow him away with a huge condition free mega offer. After Hill the board probably don't approve an at all costs type of scenario.

I thought the dream was over on that weekend where we got pumped with another dour performance, while Degoey was playing presumably at the MCG in front of a packed house in a thrilling victory against all odds.

Aside from money, why would anyone want to leave that experience for what St Kilda offers?

 

[dudeintheswamp]

Gringo says ”YES”

Impressive doc, appreciate your commitment to the cause. Couldn't help myself, had to count, and yes folks, there are 28 Luke Dunnys in that picture.

If only our coaches showed this level of attention to detail...

 

[dudeintheswamp]

He’d take a lot more cash. He’s not at a club trying to start a rebuild and is still required. They haven’t got much cap space unless they unload Grundy and even then…Rumours saying he’s signed with the Pies for 2 years anyway.

Yeah you'd think just quietly the pies would have the original offer back on the table. From memory it was something like 2 years with triggers for 2 more. Can't see him leaving unfortunately.