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Agree with everything you’ve written in this post, but I dispute this. He’s gotten his wish, I don’t think he cares about his parting legacy, he knows so many of our supporters will just cling to the memory of mid-2010s Sloane for dear life.

His contract comes at the expense of the young kids, the team, and winning. Him going on record saying he won’t have to worry about being relegated to the SANFL for years (plural) and his continuous selection in the back half of the season (Sloane starting over Pedlar in the Sydney game was just abhorrent, but he’d just re-signed, what other choice did the club have 🤪) just makes it blatantly clear the club doesn’t hold him to any sort of standards. And he’s certainly not self-aware enough to bow out gracefully, he’s also on record stating he won’t retire on his own accord.

Next year is going to be very interesting, and potentially very frustrating if what we fear comes to fruition.

Never under estimate the power of PR. The club got dragged through the mud over retiring Ben Hart in 2006. Would it be such a surprise if the club fears similar reprisals from its members and media. The culture Nicks has created also plays into this. Last thing we need to be seen as when Nicks wants to pass off the image of we are all friends and a family is being so cutthroat. It was always stated by the club Sloane has the right to go out on his own terms. Ok, but what if a player lacks so much self awareness they are doing themselves a disservice but the club lacks the bigboy pants to have that conversation in public because of a fear of a backlash?
 
Agree with everything you’ve written in this post, but I dispute this. He’s gotten his wish, I don’t think he cares about his parting legacy, he knows so many of our supporters will just cling to the memory of mid-2010s Sloane for dear life.

His contract comes at the expense of the young kids, the team, and winning. Him going on record saying he won’t have to worry about being relegated to the SANFL for years (plural) and his continuous selection in the back half of the season (Sloane starting over Pedlar in the Sydney game was just abhorrent, but he’d just re-signed, what other choice did the club have 🤪) just makes it blatantly clear the club doesn’t hold him to any sort of standards. And he’s certainly not self-aware enough to bow out gracefully, he’s also on record stating he won’t retire on his own accord.

Next year is going to be very interesting, and potentially very frustrating if what we fear comes to fruition. Let’s hope for everybody’s sake (Rory’s included) that the club and Nicks handle this sensibly. His job as head coach should depend on it, in my opinion.
He had some very influential games playing as the sub so unsurprisingly thought his knee would be better the following year after his ACL, probably wanted 2 years but the club was willing to only offer him a year.
 
He had some very influential games playing as the sub so unsurprisingly thought his knee would be better the following year after his ACL, probably wanted 2 years but the club was willing to only offer him a year.
Yeah he and and the club are really hanging their hat on this huh. And I’d be willing to buy it if he was in his mid 20s, but he’s 33 years old… it’s just a strange argument. If it becomes evident that this whole second year post ACL recovery thing isn’t some magic time machine they’re hoping it is (he’s been on the decline before his ACL anyway) and his form line matches that of late this season, do they then have the cojones to do the right thing?

He was only made sub twice this year from memory, rest was starting 22 and managed minutes. Sure, much of his influence on games this year were single quarter performances in the first half of the season, but if that’s all a 33 year old is offering, why bother? Especially when his bad performances were capital B Bad. On the flip side we have a veteran and true on field leader who just made his first AA team at 33 years old.

We have kids languishing in the SANFL (plus three new draftees) who can potentially offer far more than a last quarter burst here and there. They simply must be shown faith and given a chance.
 

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So was that the game that BACCS quoted the stats that I commented on? Or are you starting a new discussion?
 
If we were after a ruckman and north cut our lunch we would have gone for the next best with our last pick. But who knows, North probably had genuinely earmarked Goad for that pick a week ago. We were probably just thrilled that left Edwards on the table.
North realistically were never taking Edwards with their 3 back ended 1sts. They have a heap of high end mids and lacked talls. Thats why if we wanted goad, it needed to be our 2nd pick which used to be before their 3 late 1sts until the gws trade.
 
The AFL needs to change the trade rules to closer align with the NRL rules..

NRL players can request trades all the way up to August.

The AFL dont need to go that far, and I believe the NRL are taking steps to reduce this, but the AFL should atleast allow player movement all the way up to the start of the season.

Its just ridiculous that you have a trade week before the draft but then cant make changes after the draft.

The crows would probably allow Himmelburg to go to GWS right now given they got Curtin..

Many clubs now knowing what players they have drafted in would probably want the opportunity to make trades to re-adjust their lists.

This ridiculously rigid one and a half week trade period is just dumb.. atleast have two trade period. One before the draft and one after.
 
You think Hamish would have a say if Sloane stays? The guy tasked with finding draftees. Crikey.

But let’s say he did, do you know what he said? Was it was unanimous? Is that how list management works?

And let’s assume they all agreed, does that make it the right decision? All club decisions are correct….

Not saying it’s was correct or not - but it was a conscious decision they wanted to do instead of having a fourth pick. That is indisputable isn’t it?
In terms of Hamish not agreeing or not being involved - fair call. However you would also have to agree (like most on here including myself) a recruiter would want as many picks as possible because there are always players you like that you can’t pick


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As a supporter i would really want to know as passing up a top 3 pick is ballsy in a draft laden with top rated mids no less

Clubs do what they can and obviously didn’t think that could happen. No one else in the top 15 appeared to what to trade out of the draft - so how would they have got back in?

GWS core is good to go right now - but most of them are around 30 so they haven’t got a 3-4 year window ahead. They need to win now - so it makes sense they didn’t want to push back a year in the draft even for a good pick


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Keeping Sloane is nothing more than a feel good member PR stunt by the club and frankly its at Sloane's expense. A good coach knows when to move players on. Clarkson moved on his premiership leading midfield once they passed their prime to usher in a new generation. Scott moved on his star players to refresh the list. In other words a good coach knows how to have a man conversation with players who no longer will push for a best 22 position. Nicks had a prime opportunity to demonstrate his player management abilities but he instead chose to play the PR game and backed in a player to make their own call. In other words, be the players friend.

As a betting man, I see Sloane retiring by midyear. Thereby taking a spot on the list we could have used by keeping Hamill on and rookie listing a much needed Ruckman.

Things I don't want to see at the end of next season.

If Tex has a bad year and his form slumps to the level of Dixon on a good day, I dont want the club to do this member PR stunt of babying him into another season. I want the club to demonstrate that for the first time in 10 years, list spots are at a premium and we put our big boy pants on and say to Tex, thanks for the ride but the rides over.

If Sloane does end up slinking back to the Sanfl and retiring due to an inability to press for best 22 then surely the club must be put under the spot light and we demand an explanation. Sloane did not demonstrate that he deserved another contract.

Reality is we need to be competing for finals - and list management obviously feel Sloane is important depth that may help assist that. And it’s hard to argue that’s incorrect

If he is a starting midfielder then I would be very concerned. If he is in the Round 1 team I wouldn’t be surprised but a bit disappointed. If he plays 6-10 games over the year I think they have probably justified the call


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Agree with everything you’ve written in this post, but I dispute this. He’s gotten his wish, I don’t think he cares about his parting legacy, he knows so many of our supporters will just cling to the memory of mid-2010s Sloane for dear life.

His contract comes at the expense of the young kids, the team, and winning. Him going on record saying he won’t have to worry about being relegated to the SANFL for years (plural) and his continuous selection in the back half of the season (Sloane starting over Pedlar in the Sydney game was just abhorrent, but he’d just re-signed, what other choice did the club have 🤪) just makes it blatantly clear the club doesn’t hold him to any sort of standards. And he’s certainly not self-aware enough to bow out gracefully, he’s also on record stating he won’t retire on his own accord.

Next year is going to be very interesting, and potentially very frustrating if what we fear comes to fruition. Let’s hope for everybody’s sake (Rory’s included) that the club and Nicks handle this sensibly. His job as head coach should depend on it, in my opinion.

His job depends on us being successful - not anything remotely to do with Sloane

Sloane could play every game next year and if we make finals then Nicks has done a brilliant job and so has list management in keeping him on


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Reality is we need to be competing for finals - and list management obviously feel Sloane is important depth that may help assist that. And it’s hard to argue that’s incorrect

If he is a starting midfielder then I would be very concerned. If he is in the Round 1 team I wouldn’t be surprised but a bit disappointed. If he plays 6-10 games over the year I think they have probably justified the call


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I can handle him playing sub and reckon he’d do well at it , keeping him on the fresh side all year

In fact I wouldn’t mind him and Mchenry rotating between sanfl and sub
 
The AFL needs to change the trade rules to closer align with the NRL rules..

NRL players can request trades all the way up to August.

The AFL dont need to go that far, and I believe the NRL are taking steps to reduce this, but the AFL should atleast allow player movement all the way up to the start of the season.

Its just ridiculous that you have a trade week before the draft but then cant make changes after the draft.

The crows would probably allow Himmelburg to go to GWS right now given they got Curtin..

Many clubs now knowing what players they have drafted in would probably want the opportunity to make trades to re-adjust their lists.

This ridiculously rigid one and a half week trade period is just dumb.. atleast have two trade period. One before the draft and one after.
Don’t mind this idea maybe in late jan
 
Agree with everything you’ve written in this post, but I dispute this. He’s gotten his wish, I don’t think he cares about his parting legacy, he knows so many of our supporters will just cling to the memory of mid-2010s Sloane for dear life.

His contract comes at the expense of the young kids, the team, and winning. Him going on record saying he won’t have to worry about being relegated to the SANFL for years (plural) and his continuous selection in the back half of the season (Sloane starting over Pedlar in the Sydney game was just abhorrent, but he’d just re-signed, what other choice did the club have ) just makes it blatantly clear the club doesn’t hold him to any sort of standards. And he’s certainly not self-aware enough to bow out gracefully, he’s also on record stating he won’t retire on his own accord.

Next year is going to be very interesting, and potentially very frustrating if what we fear comes to fruition. Let’s hope for everybody’s sake (Rory’s included) that the club and Nicks handle this sensibly. His job as head coach should depend on it, in my opinion.

Holy shit, there's some pretty outrageous and over the top statements in there.

Before anything else, what's your source for he "won't have to worry about being relegated to the SANFL for years"?
 
Yeah he and and the club are really hanging their hat on this huh. And I’d be willing to buy it if he was in his mid 20s, but he’s 33 years old… it’s just a strange argument. If it becomes evident that this whole second year post ACL recovery thing isn’t some magic time machine they’re hoping it is (he’s been on the decline before his ACL anyway) and his form line matches that of late this season, do they then have the cojones to do the right thing?

He was only made sub twice this year from memory, rest was starting 22 and managed minutes. Sure, much of his influence on games this year were single quarter performances in the first half of the season, but if that’s all a 33 year old is offering, why bother? Especially when his bad performances were capital B Bad. On the flip side we have a veteran and true on field leader who just made his first AA team at 33 years old.

We have kids languishing in the SANFL (plus three new draftees) who can potentially offer far more than a last quarter burst here and there. They simply must be shown faith and given a chance.
Didn't they say that a major factor in why he was signed was because of the leadership he brings and the fact they feel that still has genuine value for the overall development at the club?
 
Sloane performed above expectations until July and then dropped off a cliff. Coming off a knee reconstruction, you'd expect he will be better prepared for this season. It's hard to see him being best 22. If he is fighting for a spot and performing well, either in the AFL or SANFL then he'd still be a good person to have at the club. His trademark is stepping up when a game is on the line - if that can rub off on the younger players then all good.
 
Not saying it’s was correct or not - but it was a conscious decision they wanted to do instead of having a fourth pick. That is indisputable isn’t it?
In terms of Hamish not agreeing or not being involved - fair call. However you would also have to agree (like most on here including myself) a recruiter would want as many picks as possible because there are always players you like that you can’t pick


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