Game Day 2023 AFL DRAFT

[Vader]

I think matching with no discount helps. Just being able to pick them is enough of an advantage.

Maybe no discount for the top 20, then a 20% discount for pick 21 onwards?

 

[George Kramer]

I cant believe people here are genuinely arguing that it was a mistake keeping Sloane for one more year vs a pick in the 50s.

Even if he's not best 22, having Rory as a back-up will be far better than the 5% chance that a pick in the 50s turns into a good player.

Thats before you bring in the marketing stuff and the fact that he's a club legend. Hes still a better footballer than 15 guys on our list.

What pick was Sloane?

 

[Cap]

News article today in Herald Sun saying Vic clubs were contemplating making a protest about the ridiculously generous GCS concessions and NOT BIDDING on any of the 4 first rounders. It is a complete joke. They will become a super team with another draft or 2 like that. And this time the lads do NOT want to leave GC. They are already stacked with talent in the (underperforming) squad and now adding 4 A graders inc 2 top 10 picks. This $hit needs to be stopped now otherwise they will be beating us in big finals later this decade bsaed on their draft concessions. 20% discount on ALL players in MASSIVE zones. Article says various teams like Crows and Cats have only ever had 2 academy players (I assume Borlase and Newchurch) and currently can only match after pick 40. Northern Academies get to match ALL of them (like Walters at pick 3), with a 20% discount on MASSIVE zones.

Expect big uprising to occur on this issue over coming mths as cant be allowed to continue

I understand the zones do benefit the GC, but they still do have to make them work I guess.

I look at it similar to the way Scorpus has posted, they've constantly been raided by Victorian clubs so does the benefit of getting them 4 players from the GC out way the disadvantages?

I'm a bit unsure on how good these guys are, so potentially the answer is yes. It's just tough to tell if it Vic clubs complaining because someone else gets an advantage or it's a legit concern.

I'd love to see a GC with 10+ home grown talents in to though, that would absolutely justify the expansion. How they do that is the question we seem to have

 

[Golumless]

With the concessions, its looking like the back half of this decade will have North and GC right up near the top competing for the premierships. I think we are doing things right and could join them as our list is looking in very good shape and we know we will be trying to improve it with trade ins. It would be a hard pill to swallow if we ended up assembling one of our best ever squads without any assistance and not win a flag due to the other 2 sides having even more top end talent via concessions. It would be very bad timing for us.

Good news, that's not us this decade, as we've also had assistance, Max Michaelanny as a F/S.

We also may end up with more with Tyler Welsh if he lives up to the hype.




Mind you, I wouldn't be too surprised if North needs to burn it down and start over soon. Something doesn't seem right there.

 

[Crow till I die]

Good news, that's not us this decade, as we've also had assistance, Max Michaelanny as a F/S.

We also may end up with more with Tyler Welsh if he lives up to the hype.

I was meaning being gifted draft concessions and academy concessions - not tools available to all clubs

 

[WaynesWorld19]

yes agreed and even more the wording could be 2 academy kids at discounted levels (ie 20% discount and no barriers to matching ANY bid) to 2 Academy players under concessional rules and as many other academy players as they want under normal draft conditions (ie like any draft pick for any other team)

Best solution I've heard !

That said the Top 40 cap on NGA needs to be removed ....which Clubs are going to actively work their academies, when there's no incentive / benefit

All AFL Clubs should be able to access their NGA talent, under the same Draft rules as Father / Son

 

[dogs105]

I was meaning being gifted draft concessions and academy concessions - not tools available to all clubs

We did get our African recruit

 

[Golumless]

I was meaning being gifted draft concessions and academy concessions - not tools available to all clubs

Concessions are concessions, and father sons have been a lot more egregious then those two - on top of not being available to all clubs, seeing it'll be another decade or two before anyone would be eligible for GCS/GWS.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I was meaning being gifted draft concessions and academy concessions - not tools available to all clubs

Draft Concessions should never be used to interfere with the Draft .....West Coast will put their hands out next year, the posturing has already started

Clubs need to stand on their own two feet ....suffer the consequences of mismanagement .....not be rewarded for ineptitude

 

[Golumless]

It's also rather interesting we're trialing another Irish lad in Karl Gallagher. Would be nice to get another cat B on the list.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

It's also rather interesting we're trialing another Irish lad in Karl Gallagher. Would be nice to get another cat B on the list.

Hamish giving Gallagher big wraps ....we've been following him quite a while

 

[Vader]

Best solution I've heard !

That said the Top 40 cap on NGA needs to be removed ....which Clubs are going to actively work their academies, when there's no incentive / benefit

All AFL Clubs should be able to access their NGA talent, under the same Draft rules as Father / Son

I don't agree with that. The northern clubs, particularly GC & GWS, have significant issues with player retention, and the AFL has SFA interest in addressing this directly. Giving them greater access to their academy players is one way of addressing/equalising this.

I think F/S and Academy players should be treated differently. With F/S players, it's all about the romance of having the son of a gun playing for his old man's club. With Academy players, it's about encouraging clubs to develop and maximise opportunities for, players from regional areas.

I am happy for F/S players to be eligible for selection from pick #1 onwards. However, I don't see any reason why Academy players should be matched inside the top-20. I think the northern clubs should be able to match players from their Northern Academies from pick #1, but the rules need to be fixed - e.g. maximum of 2 academy matches.

 

[Crow till I die]

Concessions are concessions, and father sons have been a lot more egregious then those two - on top of not being available to all clubs, seeing it'll be another decade or two before anyone would be eligible for GCS/GWS.

But all clubs are eligible for F/S. Very few clubs get gifted 1st round concession draft picks or are allowed to match academy bids inside the 1st 2 rounds.thats the difference

 

[Crow till I die]

Draft Concessions should never be used to interfere with the Draft .....West Coast will put their hands out next year, the posturing has already started

Clubs need to stand on their own two feet ....suffer the consequences of mismanagement .....not be rewarded for ineptitude

I was an advocate for GC and then North rather than have draft concessions, to be allowed to have salary cap concessions, soft cap concessions etc to help improve their back of house and coaching staff and to have greater salary cap to target free agents - none of that really impinges on draft order but still assists clubs to get better.

 

[Vader]

Draft Concessions should never be used to interfere with the Draft .....West Coast will put their hands out next year, the posturing has already started

Clubs need to stand on their own two feet ....suffer the consequences of mismanagement .....not be rewarded for ineptitude

I agree with this... but only up to a point.

I agree 100% when the problems stem from decisions made within the club, as is the case with North & West Coast at present.

Where I don't agree, is when the problem is simply one of player retention. Players don't want to play for clubs with a consistent losing record, particularly if those clubs are outside of Melbourne. This is why GWS & GC have had such problems with player retention. These clubs definitely need assistance, as the problems are not of their own making. Giving them priority access to Academy players is a way of addressing their player retention problems, as the kids they are drafting from the academies are not Victorian, and are thus less likely to request a trade to Victoria at the first possible opportunity.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I don't agree with that. The northern clubs, particularly GC & GWS, have significant issues with player retention, and the AFL has SFA interest in addressing this directly. Giving them greater access to their academy players is one way of addressing/equalising this.

I think F/S and Academy players should be treated differently. With F/S players, it's all about the romance of having the son of a gun playing for his old man's club. With Academy players, it's about encouraging clubs to develop and maximise opportunities for, players from regional areas.

I am happy for F/S players to be eligible for selection from pick #1 onwards. However, I don't see any reason why Academy players should be matched inside the top-20. I think the northern clubs should be able to match players from their Northern Academies from pick #1, but the rules need to be fixed - e.g. maximum of 2 academy matches.

Sorry, I left out of my post, all 14 non-northern states Clubs have access to matching a bid anywhere in the DRaft , but without the 20% discount

This balances up against the Northern Academies, who I am happy not to have any restrictions ....if they have 4 good Acdamy Players, so be it ....but don't tie the hands of all the other Clubs

I'm also not a fan of accumulating large numbers of late Draft picks, for points .....

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I was an advocate for GC and then North rather than have draft concessions, to be allowed to have salary cap concessions, soft cap concessions etc to help improve their back of house and coaching staff and to have greater salary cap to target free agents - none of that really impinges on draft order but still assists clubs to get better.

We know the fish rots at the head .....how many bad Coaching & Player choices did NORTH Management make .....heaps

I hate Draft Concessions ....we know they don't work, if you have poor management .....just look at MELB once they got Jackson in as CEO
I'm in favour of soft cap concessions .....give these Clubs an extra 30% on their Soft Cap

 

[Vader]

Sorry, I left out of my post, all 14 non-northern states Clubs have access to matching a bid anywhere in the DRaft , but without the 20% discount

This balances up against the Northern Academies, who I am happy not to have any restrictions ....if they have 4 good Acdamy Players, so be it ....but don't tie the hands of all the other Clubs

I'm also not a fan of accumulating large numbers of late Draft picks, for points .....

Hence my previous suggestion that matches must include using a pick in the same or next round. Thus a bid in the 1st round would require the matching club to use at least one pick from the 1st or 2nd round in matching it. They couldn't just use picks from the 3rd and 4th rounds.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Hence my previous suggestion that matches must include using a pick in the same or next round. Thus a bid in the 1st round would require the matching club to use at least one pick from the 1st or 2nd round in matching it. They couldn't just use picks from the 3rd and 4th rounds.

I don't mind this ....it's along the lines of Whately's suggestion today

 

[119others]

Best solution I've heard !

That said the Top 40 cap on NGA needs to be removed ....which Clubs are going to actively work their academies, when there's no incentive / benefit

All AFL Clubs should be able to access their NGA talent, under the same Draft rules as Father / Son

thats will equalise things a lot agreed mate and an excellent first step

The residual issue though is the material differential in zones that have meant teams like Crows, Blues, Cats have only had 2 x NGA players in total over 9 years (admittedly under the current prevailing rules) vs the MASSIVE zones teams like GCS have both QLD and NT where they manage to get 4 first rounders in one draft alone. That also needs to be levelled up I would have thought. Happy for Crows to take parts of NT (perhaps 100km south of Darwin) and/or Tiwi Islands

 

[WaynesWorld19]

thats will equalise things a lot agreed mate and an excellent first step

The residual issue though is the material differential in zones that have meant teams like Crows, Blues, Cats have only had 2 x NGA players in total over 9 years (admittedly under the current prevailing rules) vs the MASSIVE zones teams like GCS have both QLD and NT where they manage to get 4 first rounders in one draft alone. That also needs to be levelled up I would have thought. Happy for Crows to take parts of NT (perhaps 100km south of Darwin) and/or Tiwi Islands

Totally agree GC should have NT as part of the Academy Zone !

Clubs have to be incentivised to develop their academies .....so many migrants coming into the country .....a huge opportunity for the AFL

Unfortunately the AFL are simply looking at propping up the Northern Clubs .....when they should have a bigger picture outlook for the whole sport

 

[Crow till I die]

Hasn't there been talk about removing draft picks per se and allocating draft points based on ladder position and then it is a bidding process for each player depending how many points you have. Not sure how that works with future picks, but it might shake things up a bit.

 

[PeterSalt]

It's also rather interesting we're trialing another Irish lad in Karl Gallagher. Would be nice to get another cat B on the list.

Hamish spoke about him the other day.

Was quite bullish. Thinks he'll finish up as a forward, however more likely to start as a back initially

 

[dogs105]

Hamish spoke about him the other day.

Was quite bullish. Thinks he'll finish up as a forward, however more likely to start as a back initially

 

[PeterSalt]

I read something the other day that compared GC to the other teams in the southern and western states.

They currently have around 23% of local talent on their list. Whereas the average for all the others is around 65%.


Not sure how they defined local. Not sure if that 23% included the 4 players GC took at the draft this year. Excluded BL, GWS and Sydney.