List Mgmt. 2023 List Management thread

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Mod notice after Mr Bob did a lot of annoying work in moving days of posts out of here. As we are heading into offseason, this thread is for 2023 list management only. Getting upset on previous trades can be taken to the vent thread. Lets keep this thread on track in the part of the year it's actually relevant
 
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Taylor said:
I'm predicting Johnson to become our best/2nd best midfielder and we wouldn't have him if we picked Jacob over Neil - in my opinion.

Melbourne got a bargain.

As did, in my opinion, Collingwood, Adelaide, Fremantle, St Kilda, Fremantle again.
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Totally agree re Johnson. He is still learning, but he is fitting in nicely.Knows how and where to find the ball. Already a Mundy clone.
Erasmus will sit comfortably within the ranks of our mid field as well.
Both will be driving the bus soon.
 

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freo_leo29 said:
Everyone had him lower later on but there were brackets of 12-20 etc which wasn't far from our range


It's not like he was doedee or something
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There may have been some that had him 18 or 19 but a lot of ratings were past 20. If anything Melbourne selected him a pick or two before what was expected.

Him sliding to our third pick was a genuine possibility.
 
Docker82 said:
Pretty sure Twomey had him outside the top 20 let alone top 10.
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I remember years ago listening to Paul Roos talking about draft ranges, and picks. He was basically saying that he doesn't give a hoot about what the number is, you just use whatever pick you have to get the person available in the area you need to fill.

He was speaking in broad terms and used Darren Jolly as an example.

It's pretty good advice. If we took it we could have picked Oscar Allen instead of a bloke we all knew was never staying. hoo weee
 
WilloTree said:
I remember years ago listening to Paul Roos talking about draft ranges, and picks. He was basically saying that he doesn't give a hoot about what the number is, you just use whatever pick you have to get the person available in the area you need to fill.

He was speaking in broad terms and used Darren Jolly as an example.

It's pretty good advice. If we took it we could have picked Oscar Allen instead of a bloke we all knew was never staying. hoo weee
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Could have picked Brander as well...
 
jinxd said:
Yeh, not yet though… He’ll get there.. we need more size & strength now.
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Our midfield set up is lacking clarity. We seem confused about how to best use Fyfe and Brodie in the midfield, how to develop Erasmus and Johnson, and how to maximise Jackson.

I'm just looking at the season as a development year now, but I hope we find a way to get the most out of our current players rather than see it as a list issue.
 
I feel like Erasmus will have a similar trajectory to LDU where the club rates him from the get-go, the fans jump on board from the glimpses of talent he shows and the rest of the AFL notice his talent in year 4-5 of his career. Then just beast modes from then.
Luckily for us he had Mundy to learn off and still has Fyfe, Brayshaw, Serong, Brodie to learn off. He already has played juniors with Johnson and Amiss.

Plus he's only a few minutes drive away from Nick Suban, arguably the greatest player to pull on the anchored chevrons.
 
WilloTree said:
I remember years ago listening to Paul Roos talking about draft ranges, and picks. He was basically saying that he doesn't give a hoot about what the number is, you just use whatever pick you have to get the person available in the area you need to fill.

He was speaking in broad terms and used Darren Jolly as an example.

It's pretty good advice. If we took it we could have picked Oscar Allen instead of a bloke we all knew was never staying. hoo weee
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I reckon that is why Paul Roos isn’t in recruiting players.
 
WilloTree said:
I remember years ago listening to Paul Roos talking about draft ranges, and picks. He was basically saying that he doesn't give a hoot about what the number is, you just use whatever pick you have to get the person available in the area you need to fill.

He was speaking in broad terms and used Darren Jolly as an example.

It's pretty good advice. If we took it we could have picked Oscar Allen instead of a bloke we all knew was never staying. hoo weee
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Darren Jolly would be a strange player to use as an example as he was traded to Sydney from Melbourne.

Anyway, I actually think 2021 and 2022 were the only drafts we really thought about the players we needed. I agree with your post overall but I also think our greatest needs in 2021 were a top rated KPF and a top rated mid. We would’ve thought Amiss and Treacy was pretty decent duo after what Treacy showed initially. Mundy and Fyfe were 30+ - it’s not even debatable we needed more mids.

I personally think the Logue selection and the Cerra selection were particularly bizarre. One was surplus to requirements from the very beginning to point where we delisted an AFL standard KPD (Collins) and Logue’s eventual departure due to too much depth in one position was inedible. The other was a player that never wanted to be Freo in the first place.
 
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Each draft is different and the list situation evolves. No point having a fixed rule. Being informed and opportunistic are good traits.

My greatest concern is about the club's list assessment. If you get it right you end up selling the farm for that final piece and everything is rosey. But it is high risk stuff that we have failed to master.
 

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Brander was the highest rated key forward. Oscar Allen was shorter than Matthew Johnson at the draft.

How things turn out is still very much in the lap of the gods
 
Docker82 said:
Darren Jolly would be a strange player to use as an example as he was traded to Sydney from Melbourne.

Anyway, I actually think 2021 and 2022 were the only drafts we really thought about the players we needed. I agree with your post overall but I also think our greatest needs in 2021 were a top rated KPF and a top rated mid. We would’ve thought Amiss and Treacy was pretty decent duo after what Treacy showed initially. Mundy and Fyfe were 30+ - it’s not even debatable we needed more mids.

I personally think the Logue selection and the Cerra selection were particularly bizarre. One was surplus to requirements from the very beginning to point where we delisted an AFL standard KPD (Collins) and Logue’s eventual departure due to too much depth in one position was inedible. The other was a player that never wanted to be Freo in the first place.
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A good point was made by someone earlier about this. There was no decent KPF in the 2016 draft!!
We got lucky in 2021 because amiss was at our first pick. Todd marshall at 16 (who we looked very closely at according to Ross Lyon some years later) was about the only KPF option.
I’m sure if it was 2015 and we had pick 8, Harry Mckay would be a Docker.
 
Dockeroo said:
A good point was made by someone earlier about this. There was no decent KPF in the 2016 draft!!
We got lucky in 2021 because amiss was at our first pick. Todd marshall at 16 (who we looked very closely at according to Ross Lyon some years later) was about the only KPF option.
I’m sure if it was 2015 and we had pick 8, Harry Mckay would be a Docker.
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Never said anything about drafting a key forward in 2016, although Todd Marshall was the player I wanted at the time. Thought that was one I got wrong for a while there. Pretty decent player now though.

The Hill brothers were our wingers at the time. Outside of that a KPD was probably the last thing we needed. Bizarre way to start a rebuild.
 
Docker82 said:
Darren Jolly would be a strange player to use as an example as he was traded to Sydney from Melbourne.

Anyway, I actually think 2021 and 2022 were the only drafts we really thought about the players we needed. I agree with this overall but I also think our greatest needs in 2021 were a top rated KPF and a top rated mid. We would’ve thought Amiss and Treacy was pretty decent duo after what Treacy showed initially. Mundy and Fyfe were 30+ - it’s not even debatable we needed more mids.

I personally think the Logue selection and the Cerra selection were particularly bizarre. One was surplus to requirements from the very beginning to point where we delisted an AFL standard KPD (Collins) and his eventual departure due to too much depth in one position was inedible. The other was a player that never wanted to be Freo in the first place.
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Yep we should have chosen Naughton over Cerra.

2016 Draft was an interesting one. Brisbane had pick 2 and traded to GWS who wanted to get up the order to get Taranto ahead of Will Setterfield bid.

Brisbane seemed pretty locked into Hugh McLuggage. So we did the trade down knowing that some other players like SPS, Logue and Brodie would be available. Setterfield (5) was traded SPS (6) was traded Grimshaw (7) was traded Brodie (9) was traded and Bowes (10) traded. None have really set the world on fire. Taranto was good selection but does seem to burn the ball with disposals. Ben Ainsworth at 4 has been solid but not that great.

We could have selected O. Florent at 11 or J. Simpkin at 12 but thereafter T. Marshall and T. English were next best.

Logue has been traded and when you look at the pick we got it’s better than all of those others traded.

So Logue wasn’t a bad pick. The problem was we selected he and Cox and then went the second midfielder in 2017.

In saying all that Cerra wasn’t a bad pick but I agree Naughton would have been better.

I don’t agree with the sentiment on JVR ahead of Erasmus. If he and MJ were both available at 21 I reckon that would have been line ball. For what it’s worth I really rate JVR.
 
Superkoops said:
Yep we should have chosen Naughton over Cerra.

2016 Draft was an interesting one. Brisbane had pick 2 and traded to GWS who wanted to get up the order to get Taranto ahead of Will Setterfield bid.

Brisbane seemed pretty locked into Hugh McLuggage. So we did the trade down knowing that some other players like SPS, Logue and Brodie would be available. Setterfield (5) was traded SPS (6) was traded Grimshaw (7) was traded Brodie (9) was traded and Bowes (10) traded. None have really set the world on fire. Taranto was good selection but does seem to burn the ball with disposals. Ben Ainsworth at 4 has been solid but not that great.

We could have selected O. Florent at 11 or J. Simpkin at 12 but thereafter T. Marshall and T. English were next best.

Logue has been traded and when you look at the pick we got it’s better than all of those others traded.

So Logue wasn’t a bad pick. The problem was we selected he and Cox and then went the second midfielder in 2017.

In saying all that Cerra wasn’t a bad pick but I agree Naughton would have been better.

I don’t agree with the sentiment on JVR ahead of Erasmus. If he and MJ were both available at 21 I reckon that would have been line ball. For what it’s worth I really rate JVR.
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Logue is a decent player and I never said otherwise. I just question why we felt the need to draft a KPD with a first rounder when we had Hamling, Pearce and Collins on the list.

Seems like we drafted on talent alone without any real plan on how we were going to use him.

It’s the issue I’ve had with our drafting for probably 12-13 years tbh with only maybe two or three years as exceptions.
 
Alex Rance was controlling backlines at the time wasn't he? A super athlete?

If Logue had the ground game of Luke Jackson and we had both we wouldn't be asking why draft the super athletic tall. It would be how do we fit these two beasts around stoppages and if we must we can send Logue to blanket an opposition key tall and Jackson forward for a marking target.

But Logue didn't have the ground game.

Is it worth taking a punt on a potential freak player? Melbourne thought so. It's worth trying, but maybe once you pick the meat and potatoes player first.

Jarryd Roughhead was drafted before Lance Franklin.
 
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