List Mgmt. 2023 List Management thread

[Snuffaluphagus]

Mod notice after Mr Bob did a lot of annoying work in moving days of posts out of here. As we are heading into offseason, this thread is for 2023 list management only. Getting upset on previous trades can be taken to the vent thread. Lets keep this thread on track in the part of the year it's actually relevant

 

[theGav56]

It's the 2023 second rounder we threw in that is annoying. If we finish 10 to 12 and it's a pick 8 to 10 this year plus 14 last year for Jackson, that's a big win for us.

Agree it's annoying, and that it's always better to win bigger, but would you actually walk away from the trade we did?

 

[Dockeroo]

No value in either as a trade, but good value to us as depth. Keep both if possible.

Important to remember at least 8 players will leave the club at the end of the season via trade/delisting/retirement. It could even be more than that. That’s the case for practically every club in the AFL each off season and we are most certainly no exception.
I expect to see Benning, Hamling and Colyer delisted so that will be three certainties.
Tough decisions lie ahead on people like Kuek, Sturt, Henry, Wilson and a couple of others too. Someone is likely to leave via trade that we don’t want to lose either.

 

[theGav56]

If Treacy keeps playing like he did yesterday, I’m retracting the north pick and going straight swap Treacy for JVR, and only doing the trade if Treacy wants to go back to Vic for personal reasons.

So you are wanting to trade a promising KPP now. Brodie is irreplaceable, but Treacy, see ya later.

I love your optimism about Erasmus and Johnson but there is no way they will be replacing Brodie’s output next year, right now we have 2 contested bulls in our team, Brodie and Fyfe, last year it was Brodie and Mundy. It takes a mature body to take the 15-20 crunching tackles a game they are expected to take. Brayshaw and JOM can both pinch hit in the role but neither can do it majority of the time.
Johnson and/or Erasmus may well develop into that player but they’d be at least 22-23yo before the threw them in there for the whole game.
Clearly we disagree, but for mine, Brodie is irreplaceable for the next 2-3 years at least.
If you want to trade from an area we have a surplus in, look at the half back line. We have 6 players fighting for 3 positions. Some of whom have much greater trade value than Brodie.

 

[BStaff17]

Lucas is pretty scathing of Sumich here for not doing any research before the article haha.

Btw did I miss something how did Tom Morris get another gig in the media. Talk about hypocrites he has no right to bag any player out for off field shit.

 

[Docker82]

No value in either as a trade, but good value to us as depth. Keep both if possible.

Even if they did have trade value I’m not really sure we need to do too much with this list other than nail the earlier picks we have in the next two years.

What’s the point in trading players for third or fourth rounders? Realistically depth players move clubs for opportunity. Outside of offering another club’s depth player a longer contract than they deserve you don’t get many depth players moving to be depth players at another club.

As Henry is out of contract I think he’s gone regardless unless no other club is interested. If he’s gone we should have a look at Worner later this year tbh, even if that’s as the sub - if Worner looks capable then we can probably even look at an 18 year old in the draft to replace Henry.

It’d take a desperate team to go after a 30 year old broken Taberner. Personally though I still think he could be very very useful 100% fit. Whilst he’s still contracted and Treacy and Amiss are so young it seems logical just to honour the contract he already has.

 

[estibador]

I think so, yeah. However, Tabs has almost zero trade value; over 30, injury prone KPF who hasn't kicked more than 30 in a season.

That sounds low to me so I had a look, yeah his best season ever was 37 goals. That surprises me, I thought he'd had better years than that.

Also surprising that he's only kicked 167 career goals, again, I thought it would be much higher.

To put that in perspective, assuming Amiss kicks at least one more goal in the next two games, he's already had a better output than 7 of Tabs' 11 seasons and we'd only be halfway through the year. He's likely to top all but Tabs' best ever season by the end of the year.

 

[estibador]

Lucas is pretty scathing of Sumich here for not doing any research before the article haha.

I heard Sumich on SportFM the morning after that article came out and he all but backpedalled at a million miles an hour.

Said something like 'look, I'm not saying Darcy will leave, he might sign a new long term deal tomorrow. You never know with AFL players'.

I could almost feel the shame coming through the radio of him all but admitting he'd just made up a story out of nothing for clicks.

 

[Rob]

Lucas is pretty scathing of Sumich here for not doing any research before the article haha.

Btw did I miss something how did Tom Morris get another gig in the media. Talk about hypocrites he has no right to bag any player out for off field s**t.

Surely if you're Sumich and you decide to just make up a rumour of a player changing clubs you'd at least pick a Colin Young player.

But old Suma isn't even smart enough to do that.

 

[Dockeroo]

I heard Sumich on SportFM the morning after that article came out and he all but backpedalled at a million miles an hour.

Said something like 'look, I'm not saying Darcy will leave, he might sign a new long term deal tomorrow. You never know with AFL players'.

I could almost feel the shame coming through the radio of him all but admitting he'd just made up a story out of nothing for clicks.

He is such a w***er. What was he actually like as a footballer? Before my time

 

[theGav56]

He is such a w***er. What was he actually like as a footballer? Before my time

He was a pretty effective forward. Kicked goals. Like a lot of his team mates he came across as an arrogant prick.

 

[FD2646]

He is such a w***er. What was he actually like as a footballer? Before my time

Good player in his prime - lead and mark full forward with huge left foot who booted 500+ goals. Was however somewhat inaccurate at times. After he was involved in a melee with Danny Southern, who put him to sleep, he was never the same player and appeared timid. His continually average form thereafter saw him continue to play but he was dropped a couple of times. IMO he played 2 years too long and I would have loved to give him some ratings in the west on his performance especially in those later years.

 

[Superkoops]

Lucas: “That (article) sort of thought the truth was irrelevant and I mean, you can write what you like but I think there's an obligation to follow up on some aspects of that article.”
Morris: “As in to give you a call before the article?”
Lucas: “If you're unsure about something (then call), because there were factual inaccuracies in that article, about length of contracts and so forth and just discussions that haven't been had.”

“I think it's really important that when we report, we do our research.”

The article was authored by two-time West Coast premiership player Peter Sumich.

Did you do research Peter?
Sorry the line is breaking up…
I said did you do research?
What’s research… sorry the line is breaking up again..
How’s so Peter…
No response…

 

[Mr Cheese]

That sounds low to me so I had a look, yeah his best season ever was 37 goals. That surprises me, I thought he'd had better years than that.

Also surprising that he's only kicked 167 career goals, again, I thought it would be much higher.

To put that in perspective, assuming Amiss kicks at least one more goal in the next two games, he's already had a better output than 7 of Tabs' 11 seasons and we'd only be halfway through the year. He's likely to top all but Tabs' best ever season by the end of the year.

Fair enough, I always thought he projected out to something like that but never made the games. Thanks for the correction.

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[Mr Cheese]

Taberner has kicked like 37 in 2021? (Like 15-18 games too)

And 29 in the shortened year with shortened games so easily the equivalent of 30



He was a good forward for the period between injuries pre-2020 and injuries in 2022

People have short memories

Yep, fair call. Thanks for the correction.

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[Superkoops]

Important to remember at least 8 players will leave the club at the end of the season via trade/delisting/retirement. It could even be more than that. That’s the case for practically every club in the AFL each off season and we are most certainly no exception.
I expect to see Benning, Hamling and Colyer delisted so that will be three certainties.
Tough decisions lie ahead on people like Kuek, Sturt, Henry, Wilson and a couple of others too. Someone is likely to leave via trade that we don’t want to lose either.

Wilson likely gone. I’d be happy to keep on as depth though.

Henry and Sturt are developing. Both not at the rate most would like. If minimal interest then would prefer to re-sign for an additional 1 year.

Primary list: Hamling, Colyer, Wilson, Benning
Trade possibilities: Sturt, Henry
Rookie list:

Potential delist and select as rookies: Sturt, Henry, Wagner (you would likely do this for Wagner as the other two prob garner some interest).

Kuek to stay on rookie list for a further year.

Personally I reckon that will be about it.

From memory we are running with 37 primary, 5 rookie and 2 cat B rookie.

Current Rookies:
Schultz (upgrade)
Treacy (upgrade)
Worner (retain and re-sign)
Reidy (retain and re-sign)
Kuek (retain and re-sign)

Retain both Conrad Williams and Josh Draper cat B.

Upgrade both Treacy, Schultz.
Potentially retain or trade Henry, Sturt (replace with incoming trades/free agency)
Run with 38, 4 cat A, 2 cat B

That would give us 3 ND selections, 1 rookie draft selection. Could also delist and rookie one of Sturt/Wagner if we want another ND selection. Henry most likely to have interest as a trade option.

 

[Rob]

You really think Sturt or Henry have trade value? I couldn't see us getting anything better than a 3rd rounder for each. If we're lucky.

 

[Docker82]

Wilson likely gone. I’d be happy to keep on as depth though.

Henry and Sturt are developing. Both not at the rate most would like. If minimal interest then would prefer to re-sign for an additional 1 year.

Primary list: Hamling, Colyer, Wilson, Benning
Trade possibilities: Sturt, Henry
Rookie list:

Potential delist and select as rookies: Sturt, Henry, Wagner (you would likely do this for Wagner as the other two prob garner some interest).

Kuek to stay on rookie list for a further year.

Personally I reckon that will be about it.

From memory we are running with 37 primary, 5 rookie and 2 cat B rookie.

Current Rookies:
Schultz (upgrade)
Treacy (upgrade)
Worner (retain and re-sign)
Reidy (retain and re-sign)
Kuek (retain and re-sign)

Retain both Conrad Williams and Josh Draper cat B.

Upgrade both Treacy, Schultz.
Potentially retain or trade Henry, Sturt (replace with incoming trades/free agency)
Run with 38, 4 cat A, 2 cat B

That would give us 3 ND selections, 1 rookie draft selection. Could also delist and rookie one of Sturt/Wagner if we want another ND selection. Henry most likely to have interest as a trade option.

We’ve running with 36 senior, 6 cat A and 2 cat B and I expect it to stay that way. Banfield is actually on the rookie list, whilst Schultz was upgraded last year.

We’ve drafted four at the National Draft every year excluding 2017 (where we drafted 8) since 2014. We’ve got four picks inside the first four rounds, the last of which is a fourth rounder tied to North Melbourne. I think, unless we trade one of those picks out, we’ll want to use them. We’ll need to remove six from the Senior List to do that unless we want to take the risk on delisting and re-drafting Banfield as a rookie.

Unless we decide we want to keep one of them as a depth option I think the four you’ve listed won’t be on our list next year tbh. If we want them as depth options they’ll be delisted and re-drafted in the Rookie Draft. Wouldn’t be against doing that with either Hamling or Wilson tbh.

If Henry gets traded we’ll need to delist and re-rookie one to get to 32 senior listed players and therefore be able to use four picks. Our rookie list would consist of Worner, Reidy, Kuek?, MSD Selection, Delisted Senior Listed Player and a Rookie Draft/SPP Selection. I’ve put the question mark against Kuek as I haven’t really been convinced by him at Peel and still want to draft another KPF this year.

The other watch this space is the NGA player from South Fremantle Jacob Whan. I’d probably keep Draper and Williams ahead of him currently but recategorising Draper as Category A and listing Whan is an option of Whan shows enough.

 

[pK75]

So you are wanting to trade a promising KPP now. Brodie is irreplaceable, but Treacy, see ya later.

Totally out of context, try reading the whole thread, someone suggested Treacy and our future first for JVR, I suggested if we were going to make the trade. I would offer Treacy and Norths PP 2nd this year. Snuff said I was in la la land if I thought that would be considered. After the weekend there’s no way I would trade Treacy except if he wanted to go back to Victoria but it would be a straight swap for JVR.
Think you need to try reading my actual posts!

 

[freo_leo29]

We’ve running with 36 senior, 6 cat A and 2 cat B and I expect it to stay that way. Banfield is actually on the rookie list, whilst Schultz was upgraded last year.

We’ve drafted four at the National Draft every year excluding 2017 (where we drafted 8) since 2014. We’ve got four picks inside the first four rounds, the last of which is a fourth rounder tied to North Melbourne. I think, unless we trade one of those picks out, we’ll want to use them. We’ll need to remove six from the Senior List to do that unless we want to take the risk on delisting and re-drafting Banfield as a rookie.

Unless we decide we want to keep one of them as a depth option I think the four you’ve listed won’t be on our list next year tbh. If we want them as depth options they’ll be delisted and re-drafted in the Rookie Draft. Wouldn’t be against doing that with either Hamling or Wilson tbh.

If Henry gets traded we’ll need to delist and re-rookie one to get to 32 senior listed players and therefore be able to use four picks. Our rookie list would consist of Worner, Reidy, Kuek?, MSD Selection, Delisted Senior Listed Player and a Rookie Draft/SPP Selection. I’ve put the question mark against Kuek as I haven’t really been convinced by him at Peel and still want to draft another KPF this year.

The other watch this space is the NGA player from South Fremantle Jacob Whan. I’d probably keep Draper and Williams ahead of him currently but recategorising Draper as Category A and listing Whan is an option of Whan shows enough.

I think we are allowed 3 Cat B rookies? so won't have to chop one, doesn't take up any extra spots so theres a chance if we like a cat B then we take them without moving Draper to Cat A

you're correct on the picks I think

North+1 F2, North+1 F3, Carlton F3, North F4 I think, sucks we lost to North lol

Wagner is probably the player we will delist and rookie, he is already a DFA, altho Banfield is too so I guess he makes sense, he is seemingly B22 for coaches though compared to Wagner who isn't


Would be interested to see how high we can climb the draft with Carlton's/north F3 and North F4, someone chasing points may do it, then we can take 3 at the draft although I'd say we stick with 4

 

[Docker82]

I think we are allowed 3 Cat B rookies? so won't have to chop one, doesn't take up any extra spots so theres a chance if we like a cat B then we take them without moving Draper to Cat A

you're correct on the picks I think

North+1 F2, North+1 F3, Carlton F3, North F4 I think, sucks we lost to North lol

Wagner is probably the player we will delist and rookie, he is already a DFA, altho Banfield is too so I guess he makes sense, he is seemingly B22 for coaches though compared to Wagner who isn't


Would be interested to see how high we can climb the draft with Carlton's/north F3 and North F4, someone chasing points may do it, then we can take 3 at the draft although I'd say we stick with 4

The third Cat B spot went in 2020 when they cut AFL lists across the board unfortunately.

I don’t think they’ll delist and re-rookie Banfield. I think he’s rated much higher than this board thinks he is tbh. I was just pointing it’s within the rules.

I don’t think Wagner, Sturt or Hughes would be picked up if we tried to demote them tbh.

 

[freo_leo29]

The third Cat B spot went in 2020 when they cut AFL lists across the board unfortunately.

I don’t think they’ll delist and re-rookie Banfield. I think he’s rated much higher than this board thinks he is tbh. I was just pointing it’s within the rules.

I don’t think Wagner, Sturt or Hughes would be picked up if we tried to demote them tbh.

Wouldn't do Sturt, he is only 23, the other 2 I agree, Wagner most likely suspect IMO


Is there confirmation the rookies haven't reverted? AFL site lists 3 Cat B's

Rookie Players - AFL.com.au

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"In addition to these six rookie-listed players, each club can include up to three additional players (now referred to as Category B rookies) on its Rookie List provided the player either:"

 

[Docker82]

Wouldn't do Sturt, he is only 23, the other 2 I agree, Wagner most likely suspect IMO


Is there confirmation the rookies haven't reverted? AFL site lists 3 Cat B's

Rookie Players - AFL.com.au

Australian Football League. All the latest AFL news, video, results and information

www.afl.com.au

"In addition to these six rookie-listed players, each club can include up to three additional players (now referred to as Category B rookies) on its Rookie List provided the player either:"

They were definitely cut in 2020 and no AFL club has three Category B rookies in 2023. I think some clubs have three rookies that were eligible though (ie one is cat A).

I saw this article at the time and assumed it was a typo based off no announcement and no team having three category B rookies in 2023.

 

[Ge3ks]

Can someone please explain how our two North Melbourne priority draft picks will fall this year. They are tied to their 2023 finishing position right? For example, if North win the wooden spoon, what # picks do we get? Do North still get their own regular picks first... how does it work.

 

[Joao]

Can someone please explain how our two North Melbourne priority draft picks will fall this year. They are tied to their 2023 finishing position right? For example, if North win the wooden spoon, what # picks do we get? Do North still get their own regular picks first... how does it work.

They are the picks after Norths 2nd and 3rd. So if they win the spoon its 20 and 40

 

[freo_leo29]

Can someone please explain how our two North Melbourne priority draft picks will fall this year. They are tied to their 2023 finishing position right? For example, if North win the wooden spoon, what # picks do we get? Do North still get their own regular picks first... how does it work.

Basically they'll be 22-24 and 40-44 before any free agency compo

then academy bids etc will change it too but expect a pick around those numbers for each (3rd round i've adjusted for a bigger variance due to more compos possibly affecting it)