List Mgmt. 2023 List Management thread

[Snuffaluphagus]

Mod notice after Mr Bob did a lot of annoying work in moving days of posts out of here. As we are heading into offseason, this thread is for 2023 list management only. Getting upset on previous trades can be taken to the vent thread. Lets keep this thread on track in the part of the year it's actually relevant

 

[dominguez]

Issues?

Pearce is 28 and Cox 25. Two young KPDs in the background developing.

Whilst I'd support having a crack at Taylor in 2026 (Pearce is probably done by then) I think saying we have issues is an overreaction.

At best I might look towards a mature aged KPD but I'm not sure convincing DGB to come here and sit on the pine can be done. Just needs to be someone with a reasonably strong body and isn't a disaster with ball in hand. I could find such player by looking at whose been delisted the last few years tbh but I'm sure there's a decent 22-24 year old floating around in the state leagues too.

I agree, a Sam Collins type at 23/24 from the WAFL/VFL/SANFL with a late pick this year would be clever list management.

Play Chapman on Treacy and Amiss all summer too just in case we need him to play tall next year.

 

[apuchar]

It was pretty s**t on the weekend. I'd take Taylor's trade for Naughton.

He was a decoy and looked pissed off by it

 

[dominguez]

Okay... Let's say Dogs want Henry and Freo want Naughton.

Fremantle says Henry is a #9 draft pick who can rack up 30 touches on the wing, ready to go AFL player now - we want a first round pick for that.

Dogs say Naughton is a potential coleman medalist with most of his career ahead of him and under contract - we want two first round picks.

Does including Henry in that trade as valued at a first round pick make it any better?

Naughton for Henry, 2024 1st and 2023 2nd or 3rd (whatever Treacy ends up being traded for because there's no way he stays if Naughton comes over)?

A lot to invest in two players over two seasons.

Isn't Naughton still bitter about getting dropped for Zach Dawson for Peel's GF and doesn't like Freo?

I'd say on current form Henry is worth pick 25-30. Two weeks ago he was worth pick 40-50. If he keeps raking in 30 possessions he's worth around pick 20.

Are we allowed to trade our 2024 first rounder?

Can't see Naughton coming but that would be about $3.5M of the cap in Amiss/Naughton/Darcy/Jackson.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Fair enough, but why is it always Naughton being discussed, from his body language in the first game this year, I’d say we’re a better chance of convincing JVR, McDonald or even Oscar Allen coming to freo than Naughton.

Because lots of people think / have said we are actively chasing him?

 

[dominguez]

I always get him mixed up with English.

It's Naughton who is salty we didn't pick him up isn't it?

Naughton played a lot of games for Peel in 2015 then we sent a lot of Freo players back to Peel for finals including Zach Dawson who took Naughton's spot costing Naughton a WAFL premiership.

The WAFL rules have been changed since then.

 

[dominguez]

I think we are still chasing one more genuine KPF regardless of how anything with Treacy turns out. Even if Treacy comes good, you can get Jackson more onball time which would go a decent way to addressing any midfield size issues. Darcy tapping to Dogga is close to unstoppable when they are in there together and will only get stronger.

Hell, from what Treacy has shown glimpses of when in the ruck, putting him onball for stints wouldnt be the worst either. I think there's a glimpse of a genuine fwd/mid role from him

You mean we're chasing a big name through FA/trade or through the draft? Drafting the best available KPP with our first pick has merit but I can't see a big name coming to Freo to potentially be the 3rd string tall forward.

 

[Bender571]

Naughton played a lot of games for Peel in 2015 then we sent a lot of Freo players back to Peel for finals including Zach Dawson who took Naughton's spot costing Naughton a WAFL premiership.

The WAFL rules have been changed since then.

Naughton played 7 games of League that year, Dawson played about 18 games that year.

They both played together in the Qualifying Final, so he didn't lose his spot to Dawson.

There were 2 changes between the QF and the GF teams.
Out Naughton and Jon Griffin, In Brennan Cox and Luke Ryan
The GF team also had Logue, Collins, and Duman playing in defence where Naughton usually played. Dawson was playing up forward.

 

[Docker82]

I'm never against trading if the player is right.

Free agency is super overrated. How often is the player you actually need actually available as a free agent? For me it's almost never unless what you want is a fringe best 22 player. Maybe one or two players a season are actually stars.

Also Amiss is a bit of a freak even for a top ten pick. Expecting similar results from a new draftee is setting them up to fail imo. I personally don't believe we'll have a similar pick for a while.

At a certain point you've got to have enough of your best 30 players peaking at the same time. If you've got a hole there I'd rather trade than wait for a certain player to develop whilst some of our core players get past their best and the team constantly be not quite good enough.

 

[apuchar]

Plus Naughton kicked 75% of his kicks ootf

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

You mean we're chasing a big name through FA/trade or through the draft? Drafting the best available KPP with our first pick has merit but I can't see a big name coming to Freo to potentially be the 3rd string tall forward.

Through trade. If somehow Naughton or McDonald could be convinced, they wouldnt be third string. Treacy or Jackson would

 

[Taylor]

Isn't Naughton still bitter about getting dropped for Zach Dawson for Peel's GF and doesn't like Freo?

I'd say on current form Henry is worth pick 25-30. Two weeks ago he was worth pick 40-50. If he keeps raking in 30 possessions he's worth around pick 20.

Are we allowed to trade our 2024 first rounder?

Can't see Naughton coming but that would be about $3.5M of the cap in Amiss/Naughton/Darcy/Jackson.

Every club can trade their future first this trade period

 

[wakojako]

We got to have a contingency plan for Treacy if he chooses to leave. I wonder which party is holding up the talks? Idk who the fk we will replace him with if he does leave.

 

[Swiggy]

Who, apart from Naughton, could we be looking at?

Realistic or pipe dream?

 

[Dockeroo]

The Brodie contract is the main error we have made this year IMO. Not so concerned about Fyfe as he’s not on huge coin, some of it can be put towards veterans pay outside the cap (if that still exists) and he’s been a club champion. Plus if he gets fully fit he will pay that back in spades.
Brodie getting a 4 year deal while outside the B22 just feels like another Conor Blakely moment. People saying - it’s ok if he’s on low $$ are very naive, I’m almost certain he’s on a very healthy pay packet.

Think about it:

• he was paid over $600k pa as a 21 year old at GC
• we bought his massive salary as part of trade with GC. Brodie didn’t take a pay cut (nor should he)
• he had a break out season last year while being paid over $600k from his GC deal.
• his agent would have landed into freo offices earlier this year saying “Will had a standout season in 2022. Proven he can play consistently at this level. His value is at an all time high right now. Show me the money”

I’m not saying he is still earning over $600k. That was ridiculous by GC. But it’s very wishful thinking to comfort ourselves into thinking he’s done freo a big favour and taken a massive pay cut and signed a 4 year deal in the prime earning years of his career for a bargain basement price of $250 or $300k per year. Just to be depth. Come on guys - he was a first choice mid all last season. Depth? That wouldn’t have entered his thinking at all I would have thought.

I’d guess people like Hughes might be on that kind of money and so can somewhat accept his long deal.
But Brodie? Why would his agent take anything less than $500k pa for his client after last years performances?
I would be staggered if he’s eating less than high 400s at the very minimum. Just like Blakely.

I just hope it doesn’t hurt us in 2025 or 2026.

 

[s_wd6]

Brodie won’t hurt us. The inclusion of JOM will.

 

[Joao]

The Brodie contract is the main error we have made this year IMO. Not so concerned about Fyfe as he’s not on huge coin, some of it can be put towards veterans pay outside the cap (if that still exists) and he’s been a club champion. Plus if he gets fully fit he will pay that back in spades.
Brodie getting a 4 year deal while outside the B22 just feels like another Conor Blakely moment. People saying - it’s ok if he’s on low $$ are very naive, I’m almost certain he’s on a very healthy pay packet.

Think about it:

• he was paid over $600k pa as a 21 year old at GC
• we bought his massive salary as part of trade with GC. Brodie didn’t take a pay cut (nor should he)
• he had a break out season last year while being paid over $600k from his GC deal.
• his agent would have landed into freo offices earlier this year saying “Will had a standout season in 2022. Proven he can play consistently at this level. His value is at an all time high right now. Show me the money”

I’m not saying he is still earning over $600k. That was ridiculous by GC. But it’s very wishful thinking to comfort ourselves into thinking he’s done freo a big favour and taken a massive pay cut and signed a 4 year deal in the prime earning years of his career for a bargain basement price of $250 or $300k per year. Just to be depth. Come on guys - he was a first choice mid all last season. Depth? That wouldn’t have entered his thinking at all I would have thought.

I’d guess people like Hughes might be on that kind of money and so can somewhat accept his long deal.
But Brodie? Why would his agent take anything less than $500k pa for his client after last years performances?
I would be staggered if he’s eating less than high 400s at the very minimum. Just like Blakely.

I just hope it doesn’t hurt us in 2025 or 2026.

His value isn't set by how much he used to be on, its set by how much someone would pay him now and there is no way he's getting 500k from anyone.

 

[Ge3ks]

Brodie won’t hurt us. The inclusion of JOM will.

How?

 

[Sweetback]

He was a decoy and looked pissed off by it

Probably pissed about all the marks he was dropping

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

The Brodie contract is the main error we have made this year IMO. Not so concerned about Fyfe as he’s not on huge coin, some of it can be put towards veterans pay outside the cap (if that still exists) and he’s been a club champion. Plus if he gets fully fit he will pay that back in spades.
Brodie getting a 4 year deal while outside the B22 just feels like another Conor Blakely moment. People saying - it’s ok if he’s on low $$ are very naive, I’m almost certain he’s on a very healthy pay packet.

Think about it:

• he was paid over $600k pa as a 21 year old at GC
• we bought his massive salary as part of trade with GC. Brodie didn’t take a pay cut (nor should he)
• he had a break out season last year while being paid over $600k from his GC deal.
• his agent would have landed into freo offices earlier this year saying “Will had a standout season in 2022. Proven he can play consistently at this level. His value is at an all time high right now. Show me the money”

I’m not saying he is still earning over $600k. That was ridiculous by GC. But it’s very wishful thinking to comfort ourselves into thinking he’s done freo a big favour and taken a massive pay cut and signed a 4 year deal in the prime earning years of his career for a bargain basement price of $250 or $300k per year. Just to be depth. Come on guys - he was a first choice mid all last season. Depth? That wouldn’t have entered his thinking at all I would have thought.

I’d guess people like Hughes might be on that kind of money and so can somewhat accept his long deal.
But Brodie? Why would his agent take anything less than $500k pa for his client after last years performances?
I would be staggered if he’s eating less than high 400s at the very minimum. Just like Blakely.

I just hope it doesn’t hurt us in 2025 or 2026.

I can see it being 400k. When you get a close to being out the league, you'd take a hefty discount for added security.

 

[yakamoto]

Tall forwards and tall backs are the least of our list problems. Lack of pace and size in the midfield is our major list deficiency. Any trade or draft capital we have should be spent on the midfield.

 

[s_wd6]

How?

4 years for a 29 year old. Pushed a younger Will Brodie out of the side.

Now I don't think he will actually hurt us, and I don't think the Brodie contract will hurt us. But if you think Brodie contract will hurt us then you must agree that JOM conrtacts hurts too, because he's the one that affected the Brodie situation the most.

 

[CapitalA]

I can see it being 400k. When you get a close to being out the league, you'd take a hefty discount for added security.

Yeah more likely we extended him out to 4 years so we could cut down his 600k for 2 years remaining down to ~400k a year over 4.

 

[Perfect Purple]

We got to have a contingency plan for Treacy if he chooses to leave. I wonder which party is holding up the talks? Idk who the fk we will replace him with if he does leave.

Treacy has no intention of leaving. He is enjoying being at Freo and in particular he is enjoying the chemistry that is developing between himself and Jye.

We will get an announcement about a contract extension soon.

The Club likes to space these announcements out for maximum effect.

 

[Johnny Dalmas]

That would be my position on this, but Aaron Naughton is a marking machine - which we could really use.

Nah take the 1st and either draft the best available mid or use it in a trade for a mid-career mid who can play hard, defensive stoppage game.

Our biggest problem is our inability to defend at stoppage when the oppo get on top.

We have good young mids but, even so, we lack a strong defence at the stoppage.

 

[freo_leo29]

The Brodie contract is the main error we have made this year IMO. Not so concerned about Fyfe as he’s not on huge coin, some of it can be put towards veterans pay outside the cap (if that still exists) and he’s been a club champion. Plus if he gets fully fit he will pay that back in spades.
Brodie getting a 4 year deal while outside the B22 just feels like another Conor Blakely moment. People saying - it’s ok if he’s on low $$ are very naive, I’m almost certain he’s on a very healthy pay packet.

Think about it:

• he was paid over $600k pa as a 21 year old at GC
• we bought his massive salary as part of trade with GC. Brodie didn’t take a pay cut (nor should he)
• he had a break out season last year while being paid over $600k from his GC deal.
• his agent would have landed into freo offices earlier this year saying “Will had a standout season in 2022. Proven he can play consistently at this level. His value is at an all time high right now. Show me the money”

I’m not saying he is still earning over $600k. That was ridiculous by GC. But it’s very wishful thinking to comfort ourselves into thinking he’s done freo a big favour and taken a massive pay cut and signed a 4 year deal in the prime earning years of his career for a bargain basement price of $250 or $300k per year. Just to be depth. Come on guys - he was a first choice mid all last season. Depth? That wouldn’t have entered his thinking at all I would have thought.

I’d guess people like Hughes might be on that kind of money and so can somewhat accept his long deal.
But Brodie? Why would his agent take anything less than $500k pa for his client after last years performances?
I would be staggered if he’s eating less than high 400s at the very minimum. Just like Blakely.

I just hope it doesn’t hurt us in 2025 or 2026.

Brodies 600k deal was cut in half when he came over

He had a year to run at 600k and we gave him 2 years while smoothening the contract


He is likely on 400k - 450k per year for the next 3, smart enough to get a deal done where he won't be pushed out but also has some security, players/agents learn lessons from the past