List Mgmt. 2023 List Management thread

[Snuffaluphagus]

Mod notice after Mr Bob did a lot of annoying work in moving days of posts out of here. As we are heading into offseason, this thread is for 2023 list management only. Getting upset on previous trades can be taken to the vent thread. Lets keep this thread on track in the part of the year it's actually relevant

 

[Joao]

Dare I say it, Brockman would be a much, much better option in the side than Banfield. That's the spot he takes initially, plus will Walters be with us next year? If so, how many games will he be available for. Brockman or Motlop will be the Walters replacement eventually.

Genuinely forgot about Banners... I would swap Brockman for him, yes.

FTR, I absolutely want to keep BB as depth.

 

[millsy]

Watched the game last night and Brockman seems talented to me - particularly with the lack of opportunities. I think it is easy in here to fall into the trap of overrating your own. With his skill set and speed, brockman at worst should be a 150 game afl player. (Probably can’t say the same for Henry at this stage).

What's fair price for Brockman on that basis, assuming he plays most of this year at current level, acknowledging he's out of contract, and assuming Hawthorn and WC are the bottom two teams?

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

What's fair price for Brockman on that basis, assuming he plays most of this year at current level, acknowledging he's out of contract, and assuming Hawthorn and WC are the bottom two teams?

Like a 4th round pick I'd think

 

[Taylor]

There's more to Brockman too, he has become a father to twins this year.

 

[FD2646]

There's more to Brockman too, he has become a father to twins this year.

Also the nephew of ex docker Greg Broughton if I recall correctly.

 

[Taylor]

Also the nephew of ex docker Greg Broughton if I recall correctly.

Also, if you watch the game he is patting Dockers on the back after a contest and none of the other defenders remonstrated with him after he slung tackled Walker... at all..

 

[wakojako]

Also, if you watch the game he is patting Dockers on the back after a contest and none of the other defenders remonstrated with him after he slung tackled Walker... at all..

 

[Stinky Lomax]

There's more to Brockman too, he has become a father to twins this year.

What’s even more interesting is he’s the only player on the Hawks list with children.

 

[Taylor]

What’s even more interesting is he’s the only player on the Hawks list with children.

Completely unrelated but unfortunate circumstance that Hawthorn was, prior to Christmas, accused of encouraging players partners to get an abortion in the past, under a different coaching group.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

I actually thought Brockman was good from limited opportunity, I mean, they were flogged and it hardly went forward but when they did, he was involved in a fair few of their scoring opportunities including the boundary one he fluffed. If it was a late 3rd round pick or Brockman, I'd definitely rather Brockman

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

I'm still riding high off both Peel and Freo playing well but I hope as the season goes along, the chicken littling about the rebuild can die down. There is a repeat top 4 / contending team in this list and I maintain a mature partner for Amiss is the last thing it needs to put it over the top. Jackson is showing signs of being that point of difference in the middle and around the ground we need him to be and a midfield of Erasmus, Johnson, Brayshaw and Serong is really well balanced and good enough to win a flag.

I'm not sure Draper is ever going to be a complete stopper and will always be best in the Johnson/Chapman rebounding 3rd tall role so if the club feels the same, the sooner we get Chapman and Nod as our primary wingers, the better. Draper can take Chapmans role in the backline. Still possibly leaves us needing a proper Pearce replacement but I'd just do what other teams are doing and gets someone fringe close to 200cm tall bloke from somewhere else for cheap.

Ver interested to see what we do in the offseason

 

[Bicco]

play the mental health card and return back to WA early for family reasons.

That’s a really shit thing to say.

 

[Taylor]

That’s a really s**t thing to say.

Yes, players leaving contracts ahead of schedule to return home or move to a new city prior to a trade and then leveraging that on the grounds of mental illness or otherwise unhappiness to achieve their desired move to that city and specific club is a shitty thing to do.

 

[Bicco]

Yes, players leaving contracts ahead of schedule to return home or move to a new city prior to a trade and then leveraging that on the grounds of mental illness or otherwise unhappiness to achieve their desired move to that city and specific club is a shitty thing to do.

That's not what I said. You saying players 'play the mental health card' is a horribly insensitive and disingenuous thing to say about people. You should honestly be ashamed of yourself if you think that people claiming to suffer mental health issues are simply 'playing a card' to get what they want. If they do, we'll that's on them. But for many people to actually be honest with themselves and the wider community about their health issues takes a huge amount of courage. Mainly due to outdated attitudes like yours. Perhaps they should just 'man up and deal with' or 'just get over it'?
You should apologise for that statement and take it back.

 

[Taylor]

That's not what I said. You saying players 'play the mental health card' is a horribly insensitive and disingenuous thing to say about people. You should honestly be ashamed of yourself if you think that people claiming to suffer mental health issues are simply 'playing a card' to get what they want. If they do, we'll that's on them. But for many people to actually be honest with themselves and the wider community about their health issues takes a huge amount of courage. Mainly due to outdated attitudes like yours. Perhaps they should just 'man up and deal with' or 'just get over it'?
You should apologise for that statement and take it back.

Players have abused mental health issues to achieve their goals, I think everyone who read what I said picked up that exact point in the exact context I said it.

As a survivor of both abuse and mental health issues I'm quite comfortable saying whatever I want about people who use issues to push their agendas.

 

[gungho]

I'm still riding high off both Peel and Freo playing well but I hope as the season goes along, the chicken littling about the rebuild can die down. There is a repeat top 4 / contending team in this list and I maintain a mature partner for Amiss is the last thing it needs to put it over the top. Jackson is showing signs of being that point of difference in the middle and around the ground we need him to be and a midfield of Erasmus, Johnson, Brayshaw and Serong is really well balanced and good enough to win a flag.

I'm not sure Draper is ever going to be a complete stopper and will always be best in the Johnson/Chapman rebounding 3rd tall role so if the club feels the same, the sooner we get Chapman and Nod as our primary wingers, the better. Draper can take Chapmans role in the backline. Still possibly leaves us needing a proper Pearce replacement but I'd just do what other teams are doing and gets someone fringe close to 200cm tall bloke from somewhere else for cheap.

Ver interested to see what we do in the offseason

I agree that we desperately need a partner for Amiss but also reckon we are currently too short in the midfield. Brayshaw, Serong and O Meara (as good as they are) are just not big and strong enough. Brodie seems on the outer. Erasmus and Johnson are 190cms, they both need a huge preseason.
Let's see what this team looks like in 2026 when Johnson, Erasmus and Amiss are 23, and Serong, Brayshaw, Darcy Jackson, Cox, Young, Chappy, Freddy, Clark, Walker and Noddy are 24-28.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

I agree that we desperately need a partner for Amiss but also reckon we are currently too short in the midfield. Brayshaw, Serong and O Meara (as good as they are) are just not big and strong enough. Brodie seems on the outer. Erasmus and Johnson are 190cms, they both need a huge preseason.
Let's see what this team looks like in 2026 when Johnson, Erasmus and Amiss are 23, and Serong, Brayshaw, Darcy Jackson, Cox, Young, Chappy, Freddy, Clark, Walker and Noddy are 24-28.

Currently we are too short but I think it's fine with Erasmus and Johnson, it's just going to take time. If Darcy stays then Jackson is getting a fair bit of onball time as well which also helps the issue. Honestly, from what I've seen of Johnson, he has too many afl traits to not be at least a b grade level midfielder (with a ceiling higher than Serong and Brayshaw) and I think once he puts on size, Erasmus is basically Brodie but can tackle. Agree we need to see what they look like in a few years but if you're projecting out these players, size will be fine in time.

There's no one we can recruit to immediately fix the size issue and they'd be a placeholder / taking games from Johnson and Erasmus anyway. We definitely need more players in the squad for the midfield when you see Peel basically only has one of Erasmus and Brodie each week at the moment but they are probably going to be depth options regardless

 

[go_the_dockers]

I agree that we desperately need a partner for Amiss but also reckon we are currently too short in the midfield. Brayshaw, Serong and O Meara (as good as they are) are just not big and strong enough. Brodie seems on the outer. Erasmus and Johnson are 190cms, they both need a huge preseason.
Let's see what this team looks like in 2026 when Johnson, Erasmus and Amiss are 23, and Serong, Brayshaw, Darcy Jackson, Cox, Young, Chappy, Freddy, Clark, Walker and Noddy are 24-28.

Brayshaw, Serong, Erasmus, Johnson are good for the next 5+ years.
O'Driscoll has one wing covered.
While another mid would be nice, he needs to be good somewhere else.

Ideally you get a very good forward or defender e.g. Rankin, Dawson who can play 15-20 mins in the midfield a game. I think Young would be good to try.

 

[Bicco]

Players have abused mental health issues to achieve their goals, I think everyone who read what I said picked up that exact point in the exact context I said it.

As a survivor of both abuse and mental health issues I'm quite comfortable saying whatever I want about people who use issues to push their agendas.

So therefore everyone who says they have health issues is lying? Or should be assumed to be lying? Genuinely sorry to learn of your situation.
But do you understand that by your logic, no one should believe you?

 

[Taylor]

So therefore everyone who says they have health issues is lying? Or should be assumed to be lying? Genuinely sorry to learn of your situation.
But do you understand that by your logic, no one should believe you?

If we can't agree that players have used the subject and abused the issue to achieve their goals, if we can't agree that it is a real thing, then there's no point me constantly reinforcing that I'm referring to that manipulation when I mention it.

 

[Bicco]

If we can't agree that players have used the subject and abused the issue to achieve their goals, if we can't agree that it is a real thing, then there's no point me constantly reinforcing that I'm referring to that manipulation when I mention it.

Well he will just have to bank that $400,000 this year for not playing AFL and suck it up, or play the mental health card and return back to WA early for family reasons

Here's your original post.
You've changed the conversation from 'players will do it' which this post implies, to 'players have done it'. To use the term 'play the mental health' card directly implies that the player is/will be lying about their health to get what they want. A person should absolutely be believed if they are making this claim. It is not something that should be said lightly or off the cuff. We know through royal commissions that one of the biggest reasons that people don't discuss trauma/mental health issues is that the person thinks that nobody will believe them.
Maybe players have been dishonest in their reasons for moving home, maybe they haven't. That's a decision for them. I don't really care. What I do care about is believing people who are in a bad place and brave enough to admit it, to help them over come their problems.
You quickly changed your argument to 'its been done in the past' but that's not what you're post was implying.

 

[Taylor]

Here's your original post.
You've changed the conversation from 'players will do it' which this post implies, to 'players have done it'. To use the term 'play the mental health' card directly implies that the player is/will be lying about their health to get what they want. A person should absolutely be believed if they are making this claim. It is not something that should be said lightly or off the cuff. We know through royal commissions that one of the biggest reasons that people don't discuss trauma/mental health issues is that the person thinks that nobody will believe them.
Maybe players have been dishonest in their reasons for moving home, maybe they haven't. That's a decision for them. I don't really care. What I do care about is believing people who are in a bad place and brave enough to admit it, to help them over come their problems.
You quickly changed your argument to 'its been done in the past' but that's not what you're post was implying.

I was specifically referring to a player faking a mental health issue to leave a contract early and move home, yes.

Mocking the gaming of the system.

Just like family reasons will move them home.

 

[edward powlett]

Here's your original post.
You've changed the conversation from 'players will do it' which this post implies, to 'players have done it'. To use the term 'play the mental health' card directly implies that the player is/will be lying about their health to get what they want. A person should absolutely be believed if they are making this claim. It is not something that should be said lightly or off the cuff. We know through royal commissions that one of the biggest reasons that people don't discuss trauma/mental health issues is that the person thinks that nobody will believe them.
Maybe players have been dishonest in their reasons for moving home, maybe they haven't. That's a decision for them. I don't really care. What I do care about is believing people who are in a bad place and brave enough to admit it, to help them over come their problems.
You quickly changed your argument to 'its been done in the past' but that's not what you're post was implying.

I bet you are outraged by a lot of things mate.

 

[Bicco]

I bet you are outraged by a lot of things mate.

I'm definitely not outraged. But I'll call out something I don't agree with.

 

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