I agree with that, although I'd probably lean towards a KPD.
How's Lemmey doing at VFL level anyway?
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How's Lemmey doing at VFL level anyway?
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Hewett was in AA form and the leading clearance player in the competition for 2/3 of last year... So that's just false.
Regardless, if his performances have at worst been equal to that of Kennedy or Hewett's form than how would he in any way be a 'massive upgrade'.
Flanders would be stupid coming here, we have one of the strongest contested ball divisions in the competition and he has no other strengths to his game.
Currently a long way off it, got some skill, good mover and beautiful kick & disposal skills for a player of his height, better mark on the lead or when he can get a run & jump at it…
Poor contested player atm, although he’s tall but lightly framed he lacks in both a more aggressive nature and a appetite to compete, at times he is clearly left lagging behind by his opponent…
Has done well at times when given a run in the ruck through centre bounces and around the ground, seems he enjoys the space to use his athleticism and is more involved amongst the contests..
Might take a few seasons to fill out and gain the strength endurance and confidence as a KPP…
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- Apr 20, 2006
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I probably wasn’t clear. By likely upgrade I meant because of his age he has a lot more upside. Two years younger then Dow for example.
Yep he would be mad to come to Carlton, that’s my point, Kennedy and Hewett are good enough for us, we don’t need to hope for better
- Apr 16, 2008
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I'm an advocate for Flanders and although our midfield may seem stacked, we as a club, for some reason struggle to keep our team intact and away from injuries.
I actually think if Flanders was on our list he would be good enough to play 1sts each week but maybe that's just me.
Kennedy seems to be out of the team a lot since he has been at Carlton. Can't remember his history but I believe he does seem to get injured a bit.
Walsh another that is injured a bit over the past 12 months. Hopefully he can get his body right.
Ed will be delisted and Dow will walk. So imo there's room for another very good player.
Id actually play Flanders on ball full time which could allow Cerra to play half forward/midfield split around 30/70. Feel this would add a lot to Cerras game and I like when he drifts forward currently. Cripps could even plonk himself in the forwardline in short stints and at times this has proved valuable.
Again, just like the kid and think whoever gets Flanders will get a very good on baller for 10 years.
I actually think if Flanders was on our list he would be good enough to play 1sts each week but maybe that's just me.
Kennedy seems to be out of the team a lot since he has been at Carlton. Can't remember his history but I believe he does seem to get injured a bit.
Walsh another that is injured a bit over the past 12 months. Hopefully he can get his body right.
Ed will be delisted and Dow will walk. So imo there's room for another very good player.
Id actually play Flanders on ball full time which could allow Cerra to play half forward/midfield split around 30/70. Feel this would add a lot to Cerras game and I like when he drifts forward currently. Cripps could even plonk himself in the forwardline in short stints and at times this has proved valuable.
Again, just like the kid and think whoever gets Flanders will get a very good on baller for 10 years.
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Im not going to dismiss Flanders having scope to be a good player because he very well could be, but given what he'd cost in salary and draft picks to get him over why would be target him? Lets say he's a 2% upgrade on Kennedy or Hewett (Which I don't think he is but each to their own). Is he actually going to add anything to our list? He's a good ball winner who uses the ball alright but lacks polish on the outside and penetration to his game. Leg speed isn't great, doesn't seem to hit the scoreboard heaps at AFL level... What is he going to help us address other than maybe a tiny incremental upgrade on what we already have?
And the Cerra + Cripps thing is just not true. We've seen what happens when Cripps rests forward... Nothing. He's a midfielder who can hit the scoreboard by dragging a midfielder forward to defend him and just throw them out the way as most of them are half his size. Whenever he's been paired against a genuine defensive option he has 0 influence on the game because he's not a natural foward. Same goes with Cerra... He's a mid who kicks goals by bobbing up in pockets of space from the midfield, if he rests forwrd he has a direct opponent and he's not the type who's going to be able to create separation or outmark them.
Lemmy is a couple of seasons away before you'd think about playing him in the AFL. Pretty raw still.
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I think people are getting carried away thinking we have the greatest midfield. 7 weeks ago we clearly didn't.
Going into 2024 we literally have Cripps, Walsh, Hewett, Kennedy, Docherty (being played somewhat out of position) and Cerra playing on ball as our main stays. Hewett I see is more a tagger who can get his own ball. So Cripps, Walsh, Kennedy and Cerra...
If you think the above is enough, then I'm confused. Philp, Ed, Dow, most likely all gone at the end of this year and Carroll hasn't come on like he should. Doc shouldn't be relied upon as a complete midfielder and id think backline "should" be more his go. Cripps 29 at start of next season and Doc 30.
Imagine Cripps or Kennedy went down for the whole year, or God forbid 2 of the 4 i mentioned above (not including Doc and Hewett). Good luck with the loss of the upcoming players to really go deep into 2024 when this really should be the beginning of 3-4 year crack at a premiership. The window currently is 4 years at most with Cripps 33 then and Doc 34 come the end of the 2028 season. I don't see either playing past this age. Martin 32, Newman finished, Pittonet 31, Hewett 32, Saad 33. We shouldn't recruit just for the now, the future should be in mind.
Flanders for me is a no brainer as over the next 3 years (unfortunately its inevitable) we will suffer a major injury to 1 if not more than 1 prime on baller (not including the always 3 to 5 week injuries) and even though you see Flanders as a back up and I don't, even as a back up he will get a huge amount of games for us, and relieve any injury we get without the huge drop of as of the likes of Ed and even Dow imo (although I actually like Dow).
Yes we have some more pressing needs, but Flanders would be a smart trade based off our small sized midfield on ballers, some of their ages, injuries and the end of some mids careers with us this year and next. I like the kid and I dont expect you to be on the same page, but I'm sure the club will look to bring in a mid based off the outs to come and every other point I've made.
- Apr 4, 2018
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Imo A feasible option for midfield would be to retain and continue developing Dow. He’s still relatively young. Has some good skills and he is in our system.
So whatever weaknesses he has club should prioritise improving them. With limited game time he’s fit in nicely imo. He is also one of the more robots types. Can’t recall him having any serious injuries.
So whatever weaknesses he has club should prioritise improving them. With limited game time he’s fit in nicely imo. He is also one of the more robots types. Can’t recall him having any serious injuries.
Logical argument, but I don’t agree with your solution. Flanders is staking a claim as a best 22 mid, and logically the only way is up for him. We currently have a no vacancy sign against our starting midfield and perhaps more importantly mwe have neither the salary cap space nor the trade capital to procure a quality young player.
The drums are beating that we will acquire Jade Gresham as a free agent. I am not necessarily in favour of this as he is underperforming at present. His best is however, very good, bordering elite. Can he regain his best after some significant injuries? Is a fresh start the catalyst? That is for wiser heads. I am happy with our small forward, pressure options, if all are fit, a couple of very, very good players will miss with our current list. Gresham does add a genuine midfield option to our current mix, so I can see why he is an attractive each-way bet. Being a free agent, he only costs salary cap. I am sure our brains trust is doing the sums at the moment. Can’t see it being popular if we pass up Jack Silvagni or McGovern to fund Gresham (or Flanders for that matter).
The draft remains our BEST friend, particularly with our current list dynamics and restraints.
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These are our current OOC players at the moment:
1. Jack Silvagni
2. Paddy Dow
8. Lachie Fogarty ?
11. Mitch McGovern
20. Lachie Plowman
22. Caleb Marchbank
28. David Cuningham
34. Sam Philp
35. Ed Curnow (Rookie)
36. Josh Honey
38. Sam Durdin (MSD Rookie
Plus, I think Fisher is a realistic possibility of a trade (with the likes of LOB probably o the table for a nominal pick, if there is a team who wants him and if LOB were willing to move).
That's 12 names (13 with LOB). For me, Silvagni, Fogarty, Marchbank, Cuningham and McGovern currently stay (they're being picked to play at the moment).
That leaves 7 (8). We have to move at least 5 off the list. Personally, I'd like us to keep Dow, and I reckon it'll be a strong possibility if the likes of Fisher and LOB are traded.
1. Jack Silvagni
2. Paddy Dow
8. Lachie Fogarty ?
11. Mitch McGovern
20. Lachie Plowman
22. Caleb Marchbank
28. David Cuningham
34. Sam Philp
35. Ed Curnow (Rookie)
36. Josh Honey
38. Sam Durdin (MSD Rookie
Plus, I think Fisher is a realistic possibility of a trade (with the likes of LOB probably o the table for a nominal pick, if there is a team who wants him and if LOB were willing to move).
That's 12 names (13 with LOB). For me, Silvagni, Fogarty, Marchbank, Cuningham and McGovern currently stay (they're being picked to play at the moment).
That leaves 7 (8). We have to move at least 5 off the list. Personally, I'd like us to keep Dow, and I reckon it'll be a strong possibility if the likes of Fisher and LOB are traded.
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Whilst I agree that he's a good player, and would be very handy and welcome depth, the reality is that "Hey Sam, we've got a spot for you as our number one VFL mid, pretty sure there will be injuries next year and you'll probably play 10-15 senior games" isn't a very compelling pitch. That's a bit of a reductive take, but it's basically what we're offering. Compare it to say St Kilda, Hawthorn or Essendon, maybe even Geelong, offering a starting spot...I doubt he gives us much consideration.
Recruiting mids should be draft-centric for the time being. We're stacked through the middle, and the only upcoming retirement is Ed.
Draft mids and impact forwards. Maybe look at a DFA mid for depth if necessary, or even a mature ager from the VFL. Find another Cincotta. Hell, if Williams is fit by October/November, get Cincotta on-ball for the preseason, reckon he'd do a solid job if called upon.
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As you and Coona said above I don't disagree with us adding some more midfield depth. Dow, Ed, possibly Philp and Fisher too all gone at the end of the year. It will need to be addressed in one way or another.
But like Coona, I don't think we should be trying to add a young talented midfielder who's going to cost us if their only viable position is inside mid. Gresham doesn't get anyone overly excited but he's a goal kicking small forward who can push into the midfield to good effect. Even someone like Dylan Stephens if we were going down the trading for a talented young mid line - He can play half back, wing, half forward and although his inside mid craft is less proven than Flanders he's still shown enough to garner interest. At least with a player like Gresham or Stephens if they can't break through into our starting mix through the midfield they can play elsewhere to a high standard and won't be sitting on the pine or in the VFL after costing us a likely first round pick and 500k in cash.
Regardless, if Austin and co are keen on Flanders I'm sure they'd have a role in mind... I just think we would be better off adding players who better fit out needs, plenty of which would be available to us in the draft.
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Is Liam Ryan only 26? I thought he was 30+ as he's been around for a while. Yeah get him for sure
We don't need to add another player like Flanders, we already have 3-4 big strong mid fielders.
More likely we would want a free agent & find a way to bring in some extra picks.
Flanders was more known as a small forward who had the scope to go into the middle before he was drafted. Like most forwards who aspire to become mids, it was unknown as to whether he'd develop enough endurance to play as a full-time mid. Given how active you are in draft discussions, I'm surprised you didn't bring this up.
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Yeah I know that but sometimes roles players excel at in juniors don't translate to AFL level. Less space, closer attention from defenders, faster pace, sometimes it just doesn't work out. Flanders has played majority of his time in the GC seniors in the fwd half but had very little success in that position. Seems he's more suited to playing midfield at AFL level.
11 goals in 39 games doesn't scream capable small forward.
Has never been the same since he snapped his achilles.
I’ve snapped mine, and the power and spring you lose never comes back to what it was.
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I feel like u quoted the wrong post
I agreeI was agreeing with youI feel like u quoted the wrong post
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Turning 27 but yes he's still got a fair few years left in him
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