Autopsy 2023 Rd 10 Blues lose game in first quarter

[Coona Blues]

Offer Cripps up for trade to WA...He is a part of the problem...a big, big part

You don’t throw the baby out with the bath water. Cripps is the reigning Brownlow Medallist, he can football.
Problem is his best and worst are a long way apart. The greatest outlier is the captaincy. At the moment, he is not deserving. Obviously won’t happen this year, but the threat of losing it may just evoke some more consistent application.

The trouble would be who could replace him? Weitering is not the answer and Walshy currently doesn’t value his disposal responsibilities high enough to be adding more layers. The cupboard looks rather bare of genuine candidates. The Smokey for me would be Cerra, but I am uncertain how he projects within the group.

 

[passmark]

As a start.. To express confidence that he will be able to sucessfully implement his system at some point. To acknowledge that in sport winning is the measure of sucess, not some other made up criteria. To share some comprehendable insight as to why he let Moore do whatever he wanted all day, rather than saying something as stupid as he was tagging Daicos and he can't negate 2 players at once.

On the positive, Voss was at his most honest today. Bit too much nourishment talk.. but at least the sentiment was disappointment and acknowledgement that we're nowhere near it. Much prefer that over the baseless optimism we've been fed for a month.

Meh.

You’ll be forever disappointed if you want all your answers in a post match presser.

 

[Rustica]

You don’t throw the baby out with the bath water. Cripps is the reigning Brownlow Medallist, he can football.
Problem is his best and worst are a long way apart. The greatest outlier is the captaincy. At the moment, he is not deserving. Obviously won’t happen this year, but the threat of losing it may just evoke some more consistent application.

The trouble would be who could replace him? Weitering is not the answer and Walshy currently doesn’t value his disposal responsibilities high enough to be adding more layers. The cupboard looks rather bare of genuine candidates. The Smokey for me would be Cerra, but I am uncertain how he projects within the group.

Docherty

 

[BlueBayou]

Docherty

Chas

 

[passmark]

from the presser it’s defence and not just the back six but the whole ground.

We certainly seem easy to score against.

 

[Wickzki]

You don’t throw the baby out with the bath water. Cripps is the reigning Brownlow Medallist, he can football.
Problem is his best and worst are a long way apart. The greatest outlier is the captaincy. At the moment, he is not deserving. Obviously won’t happen this year, but the threat of losing it may just evoke some more consistent application.

The trouble would be who could replace him? Weitering is not the answer and Walshy currently doesn’t value his disposal responsibilities high enough to be adding more layers. The cupboard looks rather bare of genuine candidates. The Smokey for me would be Cerra, but I am uncertain how he projects within the group.

It's Walsh and his approach to everything. You're right about valuing hjs possession but give him another summer and he'll improve there.

Walsh is a pro playing without the ability to put in the summers he usually does.

 

[mjtim1]

He’s talking about the lack of defensive pressure in the midfield. He fired a grassy knoll shot in the presser at the “good players”.
You simply cannot win games without creating turnovers and making the opposition pay going back the other way.

Thanks mate so in essence offense looks poor as we are not defending hard enough across the ground, creating turnovers and quick, easy forward entries ? Rather transitioning fwd always under pressure hence entries are rushed and poor? Kinda makes sense...

so next question is the poor defense across the ground a result of our zone and how we set up or more player effort and mind set ? or perhaps not following / don't understand instructions...surely it couldn't be too difficult to understand yes?

 

[BM123]

Were any of them the right appointment?

People bang on about if Richmond had
of sacked Hardwick then they would never have won 3 flags.

Hardwick was useless like Voss is tactically. They surrounded him with the likes of Caracella, Leppitsch, Rutten, McCrae, and of course they had Neil Balme.

Hardwick the arrogant prick got kissed on the old fella and now struts around like the messiah.

If we keep Voss then everyone else has to go.

To be honest I agree with this. Whoever we have as head coach should be surrounded by the best we can get no exceptions.

Hardwick is one example but Malthouse, Chris Scott, Thompson, Clarkson are other examples of coaches that got flags when clubs held firm instead of sacking them when things looked shaky.

In regards to whether any of our coaches have been the right appointment It's hard to say. Do you expect Carlton to pick someone better if they sacked Voss now? This whole routine of expecting the coach to address decades of mediocrity in one or two seasons has gotten us nowhere. We keep lauding our lists "potential" over and over again so we expect the next guy to wring it out of them but it's not working.

May as well aim for some resemblance of consistency in the main coaching role and work around that for once. It's shit house for players development and culture when it's a revolving door.

 

[Jimmyonesix]

You could see it on the sidelines and the presser today - the real Voss is starting to show face -- getting that cranky edge about him ..
would rather he stay in that mode than his bubbly fake kitten loving persona --
He should Just let it out stop trying to control the beast .. your going down at least go down fighting

 

[Wickzki]

Were any of them the right appointment?

People bang on about if Richmond had
of sacked Hardwick then they would never have won 3 flags.

Hardwick was useless like Voss is tactically. They surrounded him with the likes of Caracella, Leppitsch, Rutten, McCrae, and of course they had Neil Balme.

Hardwick the arrogant prick got kissed on the old fella and now struts around like the messiah.

If we keep Voss then everyone else has to go.

Spot on.

When they signed Voss they knew they needed to hire assistants for him. Every ITK we had posted the same thing.

The only A grade assistant we have is Hansen. Luke Power is highly respected too but I'm not yet convinced.

 

[ABigOlDoofus]

We are a sad club.

In my lifetime we have finished top 4 once. ****ING ONCE. For reference, I've been legally drinking beers for 7 years now.

I'll always support this club but I've pretty much given up hope that we'll make a granny in my young adulthood, let alone win one.

Just sad.

 

[TENACIOUS]

Sacking Voss isn't the answer...
Back him in with some successful assistants, that have been part of successful coaching sides...

Be brave with the list management and move on some big names for better players of need...

 

[Jimmyonesix]

Maybe Cripps was telling him his gameplan is garbage?

Cripps has been garbage - been smashed in the centre and gifted players bog a few times - game plan or no game plan he is a big part of the problem . Not good enough going fwd and won't defend .. not playing like as true leader more a downhill skier at present

 

[Coona Blues]

At most you're looking at a third round selection and more than likely a DFA.

I'd prefer to work on keeping him motivated on a cheap contract where he can be an asset. If he gets more elsewhere let him walk.

He's another who looked promising at the start of the year and has progressively gotten worse as the team as regressed. I think it's more the system and team than the player. Give him a week off and let him freshen up.

I can’t trust McGovern. He is not invested as he should be to be an integral part of the team. Kempy was the great white hope as third tall defender, but his concentration seems lacking.

Kemp shapes up more as an option as a high forward strike type. I am aware most of his better footy has been back, but he is moving substantially better this year and has massive potential as an attacking third tall.

The ship may have sailed, but loved seeing Marchy back in action. He would absolutely fill a significant hole down back and add some smarts and genuine effort.

 

[RAPPA]

Spot on.

When they signed Voss they knew they needed to hire assistants for him. Every ITK we had posted the same thing.

The only A grade assistant we have is Hansen. Luke Power is highly respected too but I'm not yet convinced.

Our acquisitions in the preseason of Hamill and Clarke were very poor choices. Neither had good raps.

 

[marcmurphy3]

You could see it on the sidelines and the presser today - the real Voss is starting to show face -- getting that cranky edge about him ..
would rather he stay in that mode than his bubbly fake kitten loving persona --
He should Just let it out stop trying to control the beast .. your going down at least go down fighting

Yep. No point stuffing around with the players to protect their "feelings". In the end he is the one that will be out of a job. His dream of being an afl coach over.

Those entitled dopes will continue to earn well achieving absolutely nothing long after he is gone. Voss needs to take to take control while he still can. If it doesn't work at least he will fail as him not trying to be somebody he's not.

 

[Sam The Doc]

Wayne Brittain says hi too.

Been pretty grim since Parkin retied.

My diehard Carlton supporter grandpa passed away start of 1996. He timed it unbelievably well.

 

[RAPPA]

Were any of them the right appointment?

People bang on about if Richmond had
of sacked Hardwick then they would never have won 3 flags.

Hardwick was useless like Voss is tactically. They surrounded him with the likes of Caracella, Leppitsch, Rutten, McCrae, and of course they had Neil Balme.

Hardwick the arrogant prick got kissed on the old fella and now struts around like the messiah.

If we keep Voss then everyone else has to go.

And look at what collingwood did with McRae…

 

[Arr0w]

If some is poor coaching, what can be done?

In one way, I like that Voss is backing himself, "right or wrong, but never in doubt." One the other hand it borders on stubbornness.

Our clearance game has improved after wandering away earlier in the year to build the transition/turnover game

Unfortunately, I sense it has become somewhat confusing for the players

Medium to longterm we will be okay, short term it's hurting us

Needs to go back to a pure contested game for the rest of the year, address transition in the off season

Why is the coaching poor, which coach or coaches are not up to the job?

Starts and ends with Voss

If players are lazy and selfish, does the coach need to accept responsibility for this as he picks them each week?

Harsh, but needs to make a statement with one of the senior players, a scapegoat as such

Im obviously worried we don’t have a good coach but wondering is there anything that will be done to rectify any coaching issues moving forward.

I don't think it will take much, nor do i think it's complicated, more a collective mindset of players embrassing more pressure for longer and a bit more composure

Desperately need a win next week.

Yeap

 

[BlueBayou]

Mitch McGovern will be the type to up and leave as soon as someone else offers a better contract.

He and Jack Martin are the types to take the money where it is offered and go and sit in someone else's rehab room.

No loyalty to Carlton will be shown by either of them. Mercenaries.

Been terrible recruits

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yeah, but that is what the game has become. The days of the one club player are now more a romantic memory, and one I ascribe to, than the norm. Moneyball footballers.

I don't begrudge individuals with limited life ans skill sets getting the most out of their boon years, I just prefer the way it used to be. Pre Barrassi?

 

[Wickzki]

Our acquisitions in the preseason of Hamill and Clarke were very poor choices. Neither had good raps.

I'm convinced we got Hamill because of the Carlton story and positive PR

 

[new_blue]

I was sitting on Level 2 pretty much behind the goals (Punt Rd end) and from that vantage point it is plainly obvious that when we take possession of the ball in our defensive half there is basically ZERO MOVEMENT from any Carlton player. No one is providing a lead, no one is running past for a handball (in the very few cases they do it is almost ignored 100% of the time).

In contrast the Pies were busting a gut to provide a lead. They ran in waves, in fact they SPRINTED in waves.

It is obvious our work rate is dramatically behind what the elite teams are putting out.

100%. This happens all over the ground, not just in the backline. Our players just don’t move
and when they do, they’re leading away from the kicker rather than towards him - drives me nuts.

Can’t all be down to bad coaching. Players as a group have zero Footy IQ.

 

[BlueBayou]

I'm convinced we got Hamill because of the Carlton story and positive PR

My mail is that Sammy Hmmil is very well regarded. I agree I liked he idea of a warrior returning, though.

 

[carlton_99]

I was sitting on Level 2 pretty much behind the goals (Punt Rd end) and from that vantage point it is plainly obvious that when we take possession of the ball in our defensive half there is basically ZERO MOVEMENT from any Carlton player. No one is providing a lead, no one is running past for a handball (in the very few cases they do it is almost ignored 100% of the time).

In contrast the Pies were busting a gut to provide a lead. They ran in waves, in fact they SPRINTED in waves.

It is obvious our work rate is dramatically behind what the elite teams are putting out.

Exactly. I hear people in the crowd say the player with the ball in the back half should go quickly and not just kick it long. And then I look forward of the ball and I see a bunch of statues

 

[Wickzki]

My mail is that Sammy Hmmil is very well regarded. I agree I liked he idea of a warrior returning, though.

So was John Barker as an assistant coach
.
Their records with their respective positions aren't at all glowing to match the reputation.

May be the type that speaks internally very well but the results don't match