Preview 2023 Rd 16 - Carlton v Hawthorn Sunday 2nd July - 1:10PM @ MCG

[Aphrodite]

Team is in ...





IN: Ed Curnow, Jack Silvagni

1

Jack Silvagni

Age

26

Ht

194cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.0

3star

K

7.1

3star

HB

3.8

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.9

4star

G

0.7

4star

D

5.3

1star

K

4.0

1star

HB

1.3

1star

M

1.7

2star

T

0.7

1star

G

0.7

4star

D

9.2

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

3.0

3star

M

3.4

4star

T

2.8

5star

G

0.8

4star

OUT: Matthew Cottrell (suspension), Marc Pittonet

27

Marc Pittonet

Age

28

Ht

202cm

Wt

107kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.7

2star

K

2.9

1star

HB

4.8

3star

CL

3.1

5star

HO

22.3

5star

D

8.6

2star

K

4.6

2star

HB

4.0

3star

CL

3.7

5star

HO

25.9

5star

D

5.8

2star

K

1.2

1star

HB

4.6

4star

CL

2.4

5star

HO

16.6

5star

(knee soreness), Paddy Dow

15

Paddy Dow

Age

24

Ht

184cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.1

4star

K

7.0

3star

HB

7.1

4star

M

2.1

2star

T

2.9

4star

CL

2.6

4star

D

7.0

1star

K

4.0

1star

HB

3.0

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.0

3star

CL

0.0

1star

D

12.4

4star

K

5.8

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

1.6

2star

T

2.8

5star

CL

2.6

5star

AFL team news: Dual additions for Blues

Carlton has named two additions to its Round 16 team.

www.carltonfc.com.au

Backs:	Brodie Kemp	Jacob Weitering	Jordan Boyd
Half-backs:	Nic Newman	Mitch McGovern	Adam Saad
Centreline:	Blake Acres	Patrick Cripps	Sam Walsh
Half-forwards:	Jack Silvagni	Charlie Curnow	Jack Martin
Forwards:	Lachie Fogarty	Harry McKay	David Cuningham
Followers:	Tom De Koning	Adam Cerra	Sam Docherty
Interchange:	Alex Cincotta	Ed Curnow	Matthew Kennedy
	Matthew Owies
Emergencies:	Jaxon Binns	George Hewett	Josh Honey
	Lewis Young

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

It is hardly the point, it is about rewarding consistent performances and looking ahead to next year, both Binns & Dow have been by far our best performers,continuing to play Ed Curnow is just plain ridiculous & continuing to play JSos as a 2nd ruck which everyone knows he is just not up to it.

How about being a little creative & instead of repeating the same things that have failed, actually feel sorry that Jack is being asked to play this role, it takes too long for our MC to see the obvious.

We won by a ****load in our previous game. before the bye.

Ideally I would kept an unchanged line up going into this week's game, but alas injuries and other mitigating factors played their part.

I don't recall Jack complaining about being forced to play in the ruck (in fact, I get the suspicion he rather enjoys it)

Binns i admit probably should get a look in, but Paddy Dow (let's be brutally honest) is not part out of our future.

This whole selection integrity cliche that's been doing the rounds is really irksome to me, Vossy (the coach) is not the only one who has the final say on the make-up of our 22 playing on the weekend.

Assuming we beat Hawthorn, and I honestly believe we will flog em, our finals hopes are back on track, why buy into all this negative Nellie mindset. I sure as **** hope our players don't.

 

[kreuze_missile]

ED CURNOW???????

FFS

 

[Wickzki]

Murphy didn’t warrant a game - he was a liability at the end of his career.
Similar for Ed this year.
Look at Port Adelaide’s approach to team selection and player roles this year. They are the antithesis of us.
No players has a right to play.

I don't disagree. It's just what happened.

The difference with Marc and Ed is that Marc was chasing a milestone. Ed is chasing what exactly other than Father Time?

 

[Jimmyonesix]

Isn’t Fish injured ?

Sorry yes hamstrung -- his magnet tied on the bottom with a piece of string

 

[Kernafides]

I haven't bought into the Dow thing because we have mids ahead of him but to lose cotts and not replace him with binns is just odd. Love what ed has given us but just no

 

[Dramoth]

We won by a ****load in our previous game. before the bye.

Ideally I would kept an unchanged line up going into this week's game, but alas injuries and other mitigating factors played their part.

I don't recall Jack complaining about being forced to play in the ruck (in fact, I get the suspicion he rather enjoys it)

Binns i admit probably should get a look in, but Paddy Dow (let's be brutally honest) is not part out of our future.

This whole selection integrity cliche that's been doing the rounds is really irksome to me, Vossy (the coach) is not the only one who has the final say on the make-up of our 22 playing on the weekend.

Assuming we beat Hawthorn, and I honestly believe we will flog em, our finals hopes are back on track, why buy into all this negative Nellie mindset. I sure as **** hope our players don't.

Neither is Ed... but they keep playing him and keep leaving Dow in the VFL when he is clearly a much better option for our seriously one paced midfield.

I agree about Binns though.

 

[Jimmae]

Honey in the emergencies ahead of Dow and Cowan is extremely disappointing. Those who are suggesting he's a better forward than Dow are doing so on fairly limited recent form, doubly so when in the last VFL game he play on-ball for most of it, and was mediocre at best.

He's a better key forward than we expected when we got him. He's not the double threat we recruited him for. He was rucking and going forward in his draft year.

McKay was a key forward as a junior, but late in his draft year the recruiters got their say and he saw a few ruck minutes to show off his ability there and general athleiticism.

He's not much of a ruck, and certainly after a series of back issues he shouldn't be used at the centre bounce.

Anyone heard from Voss why they've picked Ed?

I personally said Ed needed 2 weeks rest, and he's received that. If they're prepared to play him predominantly inside ahead of Walsh, I'm tentatively interested to see how things go.

Binns and Hewett were somewhat borderline, but I suspect both might be in sooner rather than later, especially if we cough this game up.

 

[moocow]

The selections for this game are beyond my comprehension. But watch us lose this game and all our weaknesses targeted by Sam Mitchell. He will show us exactly what Voss cannot do.

 

[macky99]

We won by a ****load in our previous game. before the bye.

Ideally I would kept an unchanged line up going into this week's game, but alas injuries and other mitigating factors played their part.

I don't recall Jack complaining about being forced to play in the ruck (in fact, I get the suspicion he rather enjoys it)

Binns i admit probably should get a look in, but Paddy Dow (let's be brutally honest) is not part out of our future.

This whole selection integrity cliche that's been doing the rounds is really irksome to me, Vossy (the coach) is not the only one who has the final say on the make-up of our 22 playing on the weekend.

Assuming we beat Hawthorn, and I honestly believe we will flog em, our finals hopes are back on track, why buy into all this negative Nellie mindset. I sure as **** hope our players don't.

JSos is a under sized ruckman and is not competitive in that role, if you cannot see that suggest you rewatch some games.

Voss & Mc are very conservative playing a 34 year old Curnow when we are not making finals is crazy.
Voss & the Mc have played a slow mid field most of the season, not even going to bother with the Dow situation.

 

[Red_man2008]

Id expect young may not play tomorrow in the vfl (cover for TDK) and then we will keep two more out. One emergency sub and one spare in case another goes down (honey and Hewett)

 

[Revenant1965]

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Love this work TODN. Looking at the teams, we should account for Dawks quite easily....

 

[GoBlues!]

Agree with the sentiment that playing Ed (going on 34, output this year below his career average) ahead of younger players doesn’t make a lot sense.

Next few games against Hawks, Freo away, Port and WCE at Marvel. Maybe the club feel they’re all winnable and our last shot at making the 8, and that Ed’s experience is needed.

Can’t see the need for Hewett or Honey against the Hawks. Young as true emergency for TDK.

Binns sub…probably for Ed half way through the 3rd quarter.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Agree with the sentiment that playing Ed (going on 34, output this year below his career average) ahead of younger players doesn’t make a lot sense.

Next few games against Hawks, Freo away, Port and WCE at Marvel. Maybe the club feel they’re all winnable and our last shot at making the 8, and that Ed’s experience is needed.

Can’t see the need for Hewett or Honey against the Hawks. Young as true emergency for TDK.

Binns sub…probably for Ed half way through the 3rd quarter.

Yeh I don’t mind that the MC are picking what they see as the best side but I really struggle to see what Curnow brings to the team atm. I would’ve loved to bring in Binns to see if he could possibly add something different to the group.

Anyway, Blues by 25.

 

[gab213]

Yeh I don’t mind that the MC are picking what they see as the best side but I really struggle to see what Curnow brings to the team atm. I would’ve loved to bring in Binns to see if he could possibly add something different to the group.

Anyway, Blues by 25.

The only thing that I can think of is that they may want to ease Binns into it, let some of the heat go out of the game before introducing him and then maybe follow that up with a full game next week. I can't see any other reasoning for it if Binns in fact does become the sub.

 

[Del9Sep24]

The only surprise is that people are still surprised how incompetent the coach is

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

Wheeloo Waaabs

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

Had his chance last off season

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That’s a bullshit statement Kman considering on how crap the midfield has been travelling this year, seems like the current selections so far this year have been purely based on last years form…

How good has that worked out for us, slowest midfield gang in the competition, we’ve taking the last few games to actually work out the right combinations throughout the centre startups, finally stopped playing a 33yr old tagger either on the half forward flank or as a midfielder for basically tagging out against the opposition…
I
I’m one of the handful that seems to believe that for a player that has progressed and matured significantly in the last few seasons particularly this year who hasn’t been given a proper opportunity on form to show more of the midfield abilities our other midfielders don’t possess, why not give him the chance to show…

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

The Ed Curnow hate here really annoys me.

Being a great club stalwart for a long time.

And I firmly believe there is still a little bit of gas left in his tank (and yes this is his final season)

Richmond's flogging last night opens up a (slight) window to playing finals. Why not the MC try use the best/most proven players capable of getting us a win over Hawthorn.

Some posters want to have their cake and eat it too.

Hawthorn beat a strong Brisbane outfit here at the G a few years ago, we cannot afford to take them lightly.

The MC probably dares to dream of still playing.in finals and so do I!!!

Not hate EJ, just been bad poor selection/team management

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

I think Dow will have better 'offers' than either of those two , at that stage of their career's.(Kennedy did finally come good)
He's been our best VFL player for 2 seasons now and totally ignored by Voss.
What does he 'owe' this club?

Dow will thrive at another club, unfortunately

 

[Warsaw]

The ruck stocks looking like that of a div 3 reserve side is deeply embarrassing.

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

Ok, no more criticisms from me about people upset with selection.
The selection committee has officially jumped the shark.

Some of our team selection has been crap/oordinary all year

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

Paddy Dow is very similar to Nick Graham, too good for VFL level, yet somehow not up to scratch for the AFL ...

Dollars to donuts, I am willing to wager if Dow wasn't another top 10 draft pick we (unfortunately) wasted, we would have nowhere the outrage or emotional investment in the player, whom has had maybe not as many chances at AFL level as most would hope, but shown enough he really doesn't cut the mustard at the elite level.

He won't be at Carlton next year, and I would be very surprised if he plays more than 50 (AFL) games at his next club.

No disrespect Elma
Dow and Graham as players aren’t even close, different ereas but completely different skill sets…

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

Imagine the melts if Ed signs on next year .. wouldn’t shock me

Reserves captain would be perfect

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

Paddy Dow is a professional footballer and no doubt well aware of the situation and the whys and wherefores.
There must be something us supporters don't know though.
The reality is some players are just good reserves. And good clubmen.

How about we give him the chance to show us what he’s got, in a full game maybe in a full block of games…
Then we can all assess…

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

Not sure why the hesitation to play Binns. Some argue he's not physically developed enough but it doesn't matter as much for the wing role and neither is Hollands.

Kid’s ready for the role, wing/half forward