Preview 2023 Rd 24 Carlton vs GWS Sunday August 27 6:10PM @ Marvel Stadium

[Aphrodite]

Final Team is in ...



IN: Cerra, Fogarty, McGovern, Walsh, C. Durdin
OUT: Cripps (soreness), Docherty (soreness), E.Curnow, Marchbank, Pittonet, Motlop (illness)

AFL team news: Blues welcome four back

Midfielders Adam Cerra and Sam Walsh are among four returnees for Round 24.

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Backs:	Brodie Kemp	Jacob Weitering	Alex Cincotta
Half-backs:	Adam Saad	Mitch McGovern	Nic Newman
Centreline:	Blake Acres	Sam Walsh	Ollie Hollands
Half-forwards:	Jack Martin	Harry McKay	David Cuningham
Forwards:	Lachie Fogarty	Charlie Curnow	Matthew Owies
Followers:	Tom De Koning	Adam Cerra	George Hewett
Interchange:	Matthew Cottrell	Paddy Dow	Zac Fisher
	Corey Durdin
Emergencies:	Ed Curnow	Marc Pittonet	Caleb Marchbank

*Update 26th August

AFL team news: Motlop out for Round 24

Jesse Motlop will miss the final round clash with GWS.

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[Sam The Doc]

I don’t quite follow…Gov is one of the fastest players in the team and definitely faster than Cinc!

That's right, we are a much quicker team when mcgovern swaps with someone like marchbank. 3 talls is plenty

 

[Blue__Balls]

Top 8 contenders and their positions this week:

1. Collingwood - have Essendon, will want to find some form coming into finals and the Bombers are putrid. Barring a massive response from them after a belting by GWS, the Pies have top spot sewn up.
2. Brisbane - have St Kilda, at the Gabba. Will desperately want a home final, and they're only ahead of Port on percentage. They play before Port as well, so don't have the luxury of an earlier game dictating terms.
3. Port - have Richmond, at Adelaide. Unlikely they can secure a top 2 spot, there is a world where they'd rather lose and play Collingwood than win and play Brisbane at the Gabba in the first final, but I don't think they'll be able to tank hard enough to lose to Richmond.
4. Melbourne - have Sydney, at the SCG. Similarly to Port, they may prefer to finish 4th instead of 3rd for the sake of the first matchup, so even if Port drop the game against Richmond there's not much for Melbourne to play for except pride/momentum.
5. Carlton - have GWS, at Marvel. Final game of the round, so all other results will be known. Only teams who can catch us are St Kilda (unlikely) and Sydney (more likely, but percentage-dependent).
6. St Kilda - have Brisbane, at the Gabba. Tough matchup with Brissy needing to win to ensure a home final. Heard a St Kilda staffer (didn't catch the name) this morning on SEN, was asked about the prospect of resting a lot of players - response was very much "will be based on individual needs and programs", and given it followed talk that Max King

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would need surgery once the season was done I interpret it as guys like him being given the week off. I think Ross will have been satisfied making finals this year, it's an "overachievement" on expectation and anything beyond that is a bonus.
7. Sydney - have Melbourne, at the SCG. Missing a few key players, so they're vulnerable, but they've got more to play for than Melbourne. They'll know before the game if St Kilda have lost, and if so that a home final is on offer.
8. GWS - have Carlton, at Marvel. Interesting prospect, if St Kilda and Sydney both lose, then they're potentially in the running for a home final, and if St Kilda and Sydney have both lost, then Carlton have pretty much nothing to play for except momentum and Charlie's Coleman (if Tex annihilates WC).
9. Bulldogs - have Geelong, at Geelong. Expecting Geelong to bubblewrap a few senior players for preseason now, so WB probably bounce back and win this one to give GWS a bit of extra motivation.

My expected results:

- Collingwood beat Essendon
- Brisbane beat St Kilda
- Port beat Richmond
- Melbourne lose to Sydney
- Carlton lose to GWS
- Bulldogs beat Geelong

Leaves the ladder as:

1. Collingwood
2. Brisbane
3. Port
4. Melbourne
5. Carlton
6. Sydney
7. GWS
8. St Kilda

Week 1:
Melbourne beat Collingwood
Brisbane beat Port
Carlton beat St Kilda
GWS beat Sydney

Week 2:
Carlton beat Collingwood
Port beat GWS

Week 3:
Melbourne beat Port
Brisbane beat Carlton

Week 4:
Melbourne vs Brisbane grand final

 

[gab213]

Don't usually look beyond the next game, but 5th spot will probably be a big advantage when it's presented like this.(even if a Gabba game represents an opportunity to be there)

There are so many different scenarios possible still, 5th spot in my view puts us on track for a Gabba Final(This is with Melbourne beating Sydney in Round 24), finish 6th and we'd possibly be Playing in Adelaide in the semi-final week. Rest players or not, I hope we just go out with the mindset to win.

 

[haveago]

Top 8 contenders and their positions this week:

1. Collingwood - have Essendon, will want to find some form coming into finals and the Bombers are putrid. Barring a massive response from them after a belting by GWS, the Pies have top spot sewn up.
2. Brisbane - have St Kilda, at the Gabba. Will desperately want a home final, and they're only ahead of Port on percentage. They play before Port as well, so don't have the luxury of an earlier game dictating terms.
3. Port - have Richmond, at Adelaide. Unlikely they can secure a top 2 spot, there is a world where they'd rather lose and play Collingwood than win and play Brisbane at the Gabba in the first final, but I don't think they'll be able to tank hard enough to lose to Richmond.
4. Melbourne - have Sydney, at the SCG. Similarly to Port, they may prefer to finish 4th instead of 3rd for the sake of the first matchup, so even if Port drop the game against Richmond there's not much for Melbourne to play for except pride/momentum.
5. Carlton - have GWS, at Marvel. Final game of the round, so all other results will be known. Only teams who can catch us are St Kilda (unlikely) and Sydney (more likely, but percentage-dependent).
6. St Kilda - have Brisbane, at the Gabba. Tough matchup with Brissy needing to win to ensure a home final. Heard a St Kilda staffer (didn't catch the name) this morning on SEN, was asked about the prospect of resting a lot of players - response was very much "will be based on individual needs and programs", and given it followed talk that Max King would need surgery once the season was done I interpret it as guys like him being given the week off. I think Ross will have been satisfied making finals this year, it's an "overachievement" on expectation and anything beyond that is a bonus.
7. Sydney - have Melbourne, at the SCG. Missing a few key players, so they're vulnerable, but they've got more to play for than Melbourne. They'll know before the game if St Kilda have lost, and if so that a home final is on offer.
8. GWS - have Carlton, at Marvel. Interesting prospect, if St Kilda and Sydney both lose, then they're potentially in the running for a home final, and if St Kilda and Sydney have both lost, then Carlton have pretty much nothing to play for except momentum and Charlie's Coleman (if Tex annihilates WC).
9. Bulldogs - have Geelong, at Geelong. Expecting Geelong to bubblewrap a few senior players for preseason now, so WB probably bounce back and win this one to give GWS a bit of extra motivation.

My expected results:

- Collingwood beat Essendon
- Brisbane beat St Kilda
- Port beat Richmond
- Melbourne lose to Sydney
- Carlton lose to GWS
- Bulldogs beat Geelong

Leaves the ladder as:

1. Collingwood
2. Brisbane
3. Port
4. Melbourne
5. Carlton
6. Sydney
7. GWS
8. St Kilda

Week 1:
Melbourne beat Collingwood
Brisbane beat Port
Carlton beat St Kilda
GWS beat Sydney

Week 2:
Carlton beat Collingwood
Port beat GWS

Week 3:
Melbourne beat Port
Brisbane beat Carlton

Week 4:
Melbourne vs Brisbane grand final

If this season has taught us one thing it is......we have to expect the unexpected.

 

[Arr0w]

GWS have no doubt improved into the season but I’m not 100pc convinced.
Since the bye, beaten by Port and Swans. Defeated WB, Suns, Crows, Hawks and Melbourne in Alice Springs. Demons the only team likely to play finals from that second group.

Like us, they have a really sound defensive profile

Talented midfield and dangerous forward line

Actually hoping this is a dead rubber

 

[Blue__Balls]

If this season has taught us one thing it is......we have to is expect the unexpected.

For sure. I reckon this is the week where you'll be able to pick the results though - once teams know what they have to play for (or not), that's going to impact selection, on-field intensity and physicality.

Good thing for us is that we play last - so we'll know for sure whether we need to fire up to earn a home final, or if it's a fait accompli.

 

[sbwan]

Finish 5th and it's most likely we go to Brisbane if we make it to a Prelim, Finish 6th and most likely a Prelim against Melbourne at the G. Finish 6th and its most likely an Adelaide final for us in week 2 rather than playing maybe Collingwood at the G OR we lose in week1 and all this is for nothing anyway.

I think there's a danger in getting too cute with trying to manipulate things leading into finals. If a couple of players need resting, do it but for those selected to play go hard for the win, worry about who we play in the finals when we get to those games.

So many different possibilities, there's bound to be an upset somewhere along the line and all of this goes out the window.

Of course, Brisbane also has hardly been unbeatable at the Gabba in finals for whatever reason. Lost 4 of the 6 played in the last four years.

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

There are so many different scenarios possible still, 5th spot in my view puts us on track for a Gabba Final(This is with Melbourne beating Sydney in Round 24), finish 6th and we'd possibly be Playing in Adelaide in the semi-final week. Rest players or not, I hope we just go out with the mindset to win.

I reckon the top 4 will remain as it is. Therefor 5th(us hopefully) will play the loser out of Pies and Demons.
Doesn't pay to look too far ahead, lets select our strongest/fit team this week and give it a red hot go.

 

[Earls Smother]

For sure. I reckon this is the week where you'll be able to pick the results though - once teams know what they have to play for (or not), that's going to impact selection, on-field intensity and physicality.

Good thing for us is that we play last - so we'll know for sure whether we need to fire up to earn a home final, or if it's a fait accompli.

You'd think this would be the case, but it so often doesn't pan out that way.

How do you explain the Dogs v WC result? Dogs had every incentive to win, WC had a very good reason to lose, yet the players' mindset doesn't follow the script.

 

[Sweet Seventeen]

I don’t quite follow…Gov is one of the fastest players in the team and definitely faster than Cinc!

So it only makes us a more mobile team than what we’ve been for the last few weeks.

I don't quite follow...admittedly Cinc had a down game vs GC. However he has generally created run and carry, nice disposal by foot and hand. Is very strong one on one and has shown himself to be very tough in the clinches. He stays in for mine.

On Gov, yes he is fast on the burst. Excellent interceptor and has a weapon of a right peg. He is most definitely an upgrade on Marchy. I like Marchy and really admire his persistence, but he is not in our best 22.

 

[jimsta10]

Winning this game is a P1, BUT easing Walsh, Cerra and Gov also IMO is a more significant process. Tangibles after this are all positives.

 

[The Bighouse]

Seen lots of call for Gov to replace Marchy, but I don’t see it happening that way.

May be an unpopular opinion but we’ll see Cincotta make way.

Makes us very strong aerially and we don’t lose much grunt as Gov has shown a new found aggression/determination in the last few games he played.

Think Cinc will be persisted with. A good matchup for the small forwards & performances vs K.Pickett. He’ll take Bedford or Daniels this week.

 

[Barry Davenport]

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[jimsta10]

Like us, they have a really sound defensive profile

Talented midfield and dangerous forward line

Actually hoping this is a dead rubber

Similar to how I approach my golf swing, when I haven't swung a club on the course for 3-4 weeks, I tend to bring along an extra 10 balls as a precautionary measure. This is the only thing that could slightly delay us with Walsh and Cerra. I'm quite optimistic and could be completely wrong.

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

Is there a vfl game this week?

 

[Bostonian]

I wouldn't risk Cerra.

Give him another week of solid training instead.

Use Walsh as the sub to ease him back into it if he's good to go.

 

[CaptainCharisma]

Is there a vfl game this week?

Not unless we organise a scratch match with GWS reserves, they also missed VFL finals.

VFL wildcard games this weekend.

 

[Sweet Seventeen]

Is there a vfl game this week?

No, we are done.

 

[Arr0w]

Think all of Cerra, Walsh, Gov are back this week

Cripps could be a late out based on other results

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

Not unless we organise a scratch match with GWS reserves, they also missed VFL finals.

VFL wildcard games this weekend.

No, we are done.

So I guess all those coming back from injury will do so in the ones. Might be some managed minutes unless they get a scratch with the giants. Don't see why they'd be against that tbh. Probably have a few they wouldn't mind playing and staying match fit for if they make finals too.

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

About 80 points between the two games, so not completely out of the realms of possibility if only two teams have much to play for. Also contingent on a St Kilda win.

My point is it's not in the bag that we're playing a final in Melbourne.

As much as we were a bit of a longshot to jag 4th spot before the Demon's win, the scheduling now works well in our favour.

Lions are now in a position that they have to win to secure 2nd on the ladder, and their game is scheduled before both Port and Melbourne. So they'll be picking a full strength side against St Kilda and go for the kill.

A Lions win will ensure us a home final - which means that the Demons/Swans game would then be fairly insignificant. It just becomes a matter of who we play in the first week of he finals. Only a Lions loss and the Swans belting the Demons would leave us vulnerable.

 

[blues4flag]

While still finding a way to win games, we've come back to the pack a bit the past few weeks. With Cerra and Walsh back at a minimum, hoping for a convincing performance and our scores from stoppages getting back to its absolute best. Would give us great confidence heading into the finals.

 

[pressurepoint]

Form changes -
OUT: Marchbank
IN: McGovern
Watching the game last with at HBS, this change is obvious. Not sure how obvious it is to those who watched it on TV, but we cannot take Marchbank into finals. I look forward to what he can do in '24.

I would rest Cripps and Docherty, and in their place, select Cerra and Walsh. It is close to like-for-like role wise.

Finals - Cripps and Doch come back in. Subject to next week's performance, spots for Cotters, Hollands, Cincotta and Cuningham are all looking dicey.

I think Dow is our finals sub. Don't think Kennedy gets a look in for the rest of the year subject to injury (to a mid or to Martin).

We lacked forward pressure in the first half last week and I would seriously be considering Fogarty (probably for Cuningham).

Would like to play JSOS next week to see where he is at.

 

[Faz 2000]

Whilst it's hard to fully trust either, McGovern is clearly ahead of Marchbank for mine:



There's no WAY Cripps plays, in my mind, either. He's seriously beat up. I don't think he's a guy who needs lots of games to get going, either. Rest up for the Elim, skipper!

 

[Aphrodite]

I come in peace… question, would you prefer to play us, Swans or Saints in first final?

Anyone but that Rabble from Linton St.