Preview 2023 Round 7 Carlton vs West Coast Saturday 29th April 7.30PM AEST @ Optus Stadium

[Aphrodite]

Team is in …



IN: Sam Docherty, Brodie Kemp, Adam Saad

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Adam Saad

Age

30

Ht

178cm

Wt

79kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.5

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

7.5

5star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.7

4star

MG

349.1

5star

D

20.7

5star

K

12.0

5star

HB

8.7

4star

M

3.3

3star

T

2.4

3star

MG

388.3

5star

D

17.6

5star

K

10.4

4star

HB

7.2

5star

M

4.2

4star

T

1.2

3star

OUT: Lachie Cowan (managed), Jesse Motlop (suspension), Matthew Kennedy, Lochie O’Brien

AFL team selection: Docherty returns

Two All-Australian defenders are back for Round 7.

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Backs:	Nic Newman	Jacob Weitering	Brodie Kemp
Half-backs:	Sam Docherty	Mitch McGovern	Adam Saad
Centreline:	Sam Walsh	Patrick Cripps	Ollie Hollands
Half-forwards:	Ed Curnow	Charlie Curnow	Jack Silvagni
Forwards:	Corey Durdin	Harry McKay	Zac Fisher
Followers:	Marc Pittonet	George Hewett	Adam Cerra
Interchange:	Blake Acres	Alex Cincotta	Josh Honey
	Lewis Young
Emergencies:	Lachie Cowan	Tom De Koning	Lachie Fogarty
	Matthew Kennedy

 

[Del9Sep24]

No selection integrity at all. The players aren’t stupid they will be aware of this.

Rushing players back for a wa trip against a cellar dweller and sticking with more experienced players who are not deserving to keep their spot.

Voss in full protection mode.

 

[Sweet Seventeen]

No selection integrity at all. The players aren’t stupid they will be aware of this.

Rushing players back for a wa trip against a cellar dweller and sticking with more experienced players who are not deserving to keep their spot.

Voss in full protection mode.

For some time now Jack Russell has been renowned for being overly cautious with players returning from injury. Therefore I feel assured that Doc and Saady are both absolutely ready to go.
Having their leadership and their pace and skill will make a huge difference imo.
Blues by 44.

 

[BringFevBack2021]

No selection integrity at all. The players aren’t stupid they will be aware of this.

Rushing players back for a wa trip against a cellar dweller and sticking with more experienced players who are not deserving to keep their spot.

Voss in full protection mode.

Docherty would be fighting fit if he is playing. Didn't he train fully the last session of last week and train to completion this week?

Who else has been rushed? Saad? What, with is minor hammy strain?

Kemp has been dominant at VFL level, probably our best player in the 2's all season (Dow, Carroll, Binns all close behind)

 

[Beer n Skittles]

Last week Carlton had 52 of the worst inside 50 kicks you'll ever see. Need to find a way to move the ball to 60-80m from goal and go inside 50 from there, not just bomb it long from the wing boundary line

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

Can’t agree Matt K doesn’t have forward IQ - he has way more than most of the incumbents.

Based on what? He hasn't trained with them. He hasn't spent all off season learning the patterns.
Hopeful myth. Doesn't change the fact he's tooslow and can't shut a player like Wilkie down.

Remains true jack is worth much more than Kennedy in that position.

 

[Benaly28]

We need a star half forward.


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Agree and a Charlie Cameron type.


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[SkyhorseTamer]

Kennedy, unlike Dow or some of our other forwards, is able to take a mark and he is a pretty good set shot as well.

So what. Jacks a better mark - so are Charlie and Harry. Again it doesn't change a thing I said.

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

he wasnt getting to too many opportunities from what i recall. his lack of pace limits his ability in the forward role too.

it would be good to know his goal kicking stats when he played in that role.

id assume his accuracy was good.

Sure it is. What's that matter though. If he's played up there as people wanted against a good team like st Kilda. Instead of jack as people are saying. Wilkie gets off the chain. You can play off him in defense and attack because closing the gap is easy.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

So what. Jacks a better mark - so are Charlie and Harry. Again it doesn't change a thing I said.

Calm down mate.

Jack's a better mark? Well not this year...

Is Jack a better kick? Probably not. He's as unreliable in front of goal as it gets. Ok.. maybe not as bad as Casboult...

But MK wouldn't be replacing any of JSOS, Harry or Charlie... he'd be replacing Ed Curnow...

 

[Blue and Blue]

No selection integrity at all. The players aren’t stupid they will be aware of this.

Rushing players back for a wa trip against a cellar dweller and sticking with more experienced players who are not deserving to keep their spot.

Voss in full protection mode.

Not much logic here.
On one hand you say hes rushing players back unfit and not ready.
On the other hand is protecting himself by picking a team to win you say.

Make your mind up which it is.

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

go on?

Who needs tagging on the Eagles side? Kelly?

Kennedy is a better mid and a better forward. Simple.

That's the better argument for Kennedy. Him vs Curnow or Hewett. Not Kennedy jsos

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

Calm down mate.

Jack's a better mark? Well not this year...

Is Jack a better kick? Probably not. He's as unreliable in front of goal as it gets. Ok.. maybe not as bad as Casboult...

But MK wouldn't be replacing any of JSOS, Harry or Charlie... he'd be replacing Ed Curnow...

That was my point.... I was responding to the claim Kennedy should be in JSos spot....

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Not much logic here.
On one hand you say hes rushing players back unfit and not ready.
On the other hand is protecting himself by picking a team to win you say.

Make your mind up which it is.

I don't think that was the point.

Saad and Doc rushed back...

Keeping more experienced players in - Ed, Fish, Hewett, JSOS etc.

 

[BringFevBack2021]

Last week Carlton had 52 of the worst inside 50 kicks you'll ever see. Need to find a way to move the ball to 60-80m from goal and go inside 50 from there, not just bomb it long from the wing boundary line

When Essendon were forcing Collingwood to do that the Pies looked sooooooo average. Squaring the ball up then going i50 is something we don't do enough of, despite the likes of Acres, Cerra, Walsh, Ed getting to that position for us to use them. Watch our games, quite often a winger is sitting at about 65m in the corridor alone.

EDIT:
5:48 on the Kayo match replay of Carlton vs St Kilda


Walsh intercept marks, Acres is in plenty of space (top of screen demanding the footy) and Ed is on the left of screen pointing at Acres for Walsh to take him. Instead, Walsh pumps it long inside 50 only for the Saints to take an intercept mark.

EDIT2:
At 12:50, we take the inside kick and generate an easy mark i50 to McKay.

It's really that simple when you have Curnow and Harry ahead of the ball. Center the pill and lower the eyes and scores are created.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

That was my point.... I was responding to the claim Kennedy should be in JSos spot....

Where did someone mention he should replace Jack? From what I gather they're talking about Hewett... which is also a valid point given he's been stinking it up too.

 

[norway blue]

Agree and a Charlie Cameron type.


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Yeah. It’s silly. It’s not even funny. It’s a necessity.


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[JustaBattler]

That was my point.... I was responding to the claim Kennedy should be in JSos spot....

Surname worship much?

Silvagni has been horrible - all year. His main features are he smothers a kick a game which make up for cement hands and dirtying his underwear whenever he has to take a regulation set shot- his kicking looks better from acute angles- because he knows no one expects him to kick them. He is badly out of form. I get tire of seeing him creep into teh square and compoeting against Charlie and or Harry for a contest- last week he spoiled Charlies mark doing that - out defending the St Kilda backs in doing so - for a 'samrt' footballer that is poretty dumb - for a bloke that manages ground ball contests pretty well - even dumber not to sit for a crumb or draw a defender away...

I like Jack as much as anyone but he needs to lift big time because he is nowhere near the required output of 100 gamer. Kennedy is a legitimate HFF/mid rotation option if anyone is interested in contested marking or reliable set shots from 40 out or closer.

Toss up between Kennedy/Hewett and Ed as an onballer with Ed getting the nod because he runs better - to what effect I dont know but that is another story.

 

[Jimmyonesix]

Needs Mongrel school real quick.


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It was Jack darling cousin who stole his money .. will that work

 

[Beer n Skittles]

When Essendon were forcing Collingwood to do that the Pies looked sooooooo average. Squaring the ball up then going i50 is something we don't do enough of, despite the likes of Acres, Cerra, Walsh, Ed getting to that position for us to use them. Watch our games, quite often a winger is sitting at about 65m in the corridor alone.

EDIT:
5:48 on the Kayo match replay of Carlton vs St Kilda
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Walsh intercept marks, Acres is in plenty of space (top of screen demanding the footy) and Ed is on the left of screen pointing at Acres for Walsh to take him. Instead, Walsh pumps it long inside 50 only for the Saints to take an intercept mark.

I'd have to go through the replay to find it - but I also remember a point where, seemingly by happy accident, a player did wind up with the footy around 65m out directly in front. But chose to chip it wide and backwards instead of going inside 50

 

[Beer n Skittles]

Personally I think there are a few tweaks to be made around contests and link up play between the arcs which could make a big difference - but ultimately, the major fault lies in the inability to transition to advantage quickly enough. I see that Voss's priority was to force more 'control' in the game s part of the preparation for true finals football and stop conceding 5 goal run ons - which has been achieved - however, tempo football has to have more than one gear.

Doesnt help that Hary's kicking accuracy has gone from strong to weak as it exposes the horrible efforts of the rest of the forwards and the missing midfield goals- which IMO are a sign of poor movement and defensive ability in our forward half.

I miss the overlap handball game from the first half of last year - that saw the team look genuinely top4. Someone broke the midfield connections that were on display back then - and it all started when Pittonet got injured. We need to accept the limitations of the weak other four forwards- but it is inexplicable to me how disconnected and impotent our on ball running game has become.

They still end up turning the ball over when chipping it around, maybe it happens slightly slower than late last year but it's not great tempo footy.

If Voss wants to slow a game down, why not try to force repeat stoppages? Surely that plays more to the teams strengths

 

[Stamos]

They still end up turning the ball over when chipping it around, maybe it happens slightly slower than late last year but it's not great tempo footy.

If Voss wants to slow a game down, why not try to force repeat stoppages? Surely that plays more to the teams strengths

Slow ball movement can be ok, but not when there is no option to go faster.
It was infuriating how we would take a mark and just stand there, rather than take a few steps back to give the option to kick forward. All it did was give St Kilda more time to set up their defense.

No team is going to kick at 100%, so the Saints just had to wait for us to fluff a kick. Even if we went at 95%, we were still going to turn it over before we could get a decent shot at goal.

 

[Sinjin Smith]

I might be clutching at straws here but has what happened to Weitering have anything to do with his form?


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Unfortunately Weitering was a victim of a banking scam, pretty much lost all of his life savings in one fell swoop. That would hit hard mentally and emotionally and would go someway to explaining why his form is a bit off.

Remember people, banks will never call or sms to ask you to move money to a separate account and if they call you, tell them you'll call back on their official website number or visit in person.

 

[Accidental genius]

When Essendon were forcing Collingwood to do that the Pies looked sooooooo average. Squaring the ball up then going i50 is something we don't do enough of, despite the likes of Acres, Cerra, Walsh, Ed getting to that position for us to use them. Watch our games, quite often a winger is sitting at about 65m in the corridor alone.

EDIT:
5:48 on the Kayo match replay of Carlton vs St Kilda
View attachment 1672419

Walsh intercept marks, Acres is in plenty of space (top of screen demanding the footy) and Ed is on the left of screen pointing at Acres for Walsh to take him. Instead, Walsh pumps it long inside 50 only for the Saints to take an intercept mark.

EDIT2:
At 12:50, we take the inside kick and generate an easy mark i50 to McKay.

It's really that simple when you have Curnow and Harry ahead of the ball. Center the pill and lower the eyes and scores are created.

acres would have likely long bombed to forwards anyway so walsh doing it directly means their defenders had less time to prepare.

the thing we need to do is pass to forwards on a lead.

That is the thing we dont do well.

We can get the ball to within ~10-20 m from our f50 arc. The next connection is usually the problem.

if we can get that right I agree walsh passing it to acres (in your example above) and working the ball a little closer before hitting up one of our leading forwards.

 

[Red Bull]

Part of what is killing our small/medium forwards is our horrible Nathan Buckley/Leon Cameron/Longmuir/Chris Scott pre last year, ball movement.
Chip kicking and marking around your back half kills any opportunity for ground level forwards. They get no open space to work with when there are 12 defenders to get around when the ball actually hits the ground in the forward 50.

We have to get our overlapping run going again. And we have to start kicking more aggressively forward.

Sideways (unless quickly and aggressively) kicking, is a killer at AFL level.

You could see Ross just licking his lips in the box last week. 140 marks, 14 to Harry(nearly all up outside 50), all allowed, indeed invited, by the opposition. All resulting in 8 goals for the team.

How about a little bit of T-Bird sideways/backwards chipping to make your day …

 

[David Sylvian]

Hansen is responsible for this as much as the players.

Just spoke to ash who was being grubbed for signatures on game cards from his days at west coast. Everything needs time and continuity was about all I got.
The reason I spoke to him was he was the last one in baggage claim and Adam had had forgotten his suitcase. I now feel I am a full time member of the cfc. Free merch if the socials team is reading this. Please and thank you.