List Mgmt. 2023 Trade & List Management discussion
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PattyKwasagun
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I don't even know if I'd want to win the flag without Gunston. Would feel hollow.
Nunez
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Thinking it might be worth dropping Joe and playing Gunston for spiritual reasons.
Elixuh
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Well, that wasn't the word that crossed my mind.
I believe Gunston is as cooked as Rich. Physically his body isn't up to it anymore.
The discussion was about who would offer more to our team, Gunston or Fort or Chol. And Elixuh reckoned Gunston would offer more. I disagree with Elixuh and do agree with M Malice. Chol would play a different role, but I believe he'd ad more to our current forward line than either Gunston or Fort. Not that either would be my prefered player to bring in.
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That "form" lasted two games. Gunners is.
That is a really hurtful comment Briztoon and to be honest I expect better from you. You are one of the most intelligent posters on this board but that does not give you the right to call Gunston a piece of human shit. He is a human with thoughts, feelings and aspirations.
Elixuh
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Chol doesn't compete and can't make up for that + his lower skill base with footy IQ. He offers us very little other than tall insurance.
Gunston is best 22 and still physically has it. What he has lost physically, he makes up for with smart and hard work.
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i thought it was a decent ideaRye checking his notifications
Yeah, he did. I think if we are set on playing 3 talls, we want better than Fort. What we're looking for is a 3rd tall that's more of a fwd than a ruck but also better capable than Daniher to give O a spell. I do think Fort could improve his fwd craft tho. He gets around the ground pretty well, can take a mark and is an OK kick at goal. Give him a big preseason focusing as a fwd and he may be better in that role.
That want for a third tall more fwd/ruck could explain the rumoured interest in Chol. If we are intent on playing 3 talls, if Gunston retires, Chol wouldn't be that bad of a cheaper option. Better in the ruck than Joe, at least he'll compete, and has shown good but inconsistent ability as a fwd.
A forward line featuring a 3 tall attack of Daniher, Hipwood and Chol would be so chaotic. You just know there would be 1 game though where all three fire and it’d be one of the most entertaining displays in Lions history.
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Re-signing Fort doesn’t really make sense if we’re genuinely interested in Chol.
Fullerton and at least one of Smith or Lane should be looking to move on.
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Are we really interested in Chol or was it just a throw away line by Jon Ralph because he believes Daniher doesn’t like playing the 2nd ruck role
Danniher seems to have grown into enjoying the second ruck role. However at his age you wouldn't want him doing it for too much longer would you.
mpal6
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Daniher is a blue chip key forward who has shown again that a 50 goal season is possible for him. While I get the argument of sending him to center bounces to get him involved in the game, It'll be silly to risk his shoulders on a consistent basis throughout the season. He is one of our two solid avenues to get goals this season, so we better leave him to his one wood - key forward kicking goals.
Daniher is too valuable for us at this stage and I'd rather protect him from ruck for next 1 or 2 seasons which is likely to be our current window. After that we've to go through a churn in the forward line and hit rebuild once Charlie/McCarthy and Daniher all go 32+.
Fort has been re-signed, between Fort and Big O we can do ruck + forward in whatever combination we see fit. Play him next season on that third tall spot so he can be part of best 22 for the whole season.
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mpal6
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Exactly. I am all in favor of playing Fort than keep buying this third tall option from outside and hoping for a fix.
I don’t get this argument for Daniher.
He played as a full time second ruck this year and had his best and most consistent year in ages. The team flourished with him playing that role, and if anything he’s been less prone to injury this year. Arguably we’re in our window now precisely because of our improved forward defensive pressure that his role allows. Why would we move him?
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Why do we "need" a third tall option at all? If it ain't broke don't fix it
I’m not in favour of playing Fort and McInerney in the same team.
I believe both are very limited as a forward/ruck option. Apart from standing under high ball in the forward 50, I don’t believe either offer much else when up forward.
Both are certainly a liability on the defensive side of the game when up forward.
mpal6
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Fagan will be going back to it at the first available opportunity.
If Gunston didn't have that injury we would've played 3 talls all through the season and in first final as well. Our coach is comfortable with 3 tall structure and the game plan built around it.
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mpal6
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We haven't given it a good crack in my opinion, playing both of them in the same side on a consistent basis. Playing Big O deep as full forward and Fort as ruckman is an option I'm keen to explore. Rather try this than bring Chol in.
mpal6
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Daniher will be 30 next march and with the dual role we run the risk of injury. He is a 50 goal FF, I'm keen to leave him with his primary role and work out other ways to take that secondary role off him.
One good comparison I can make is with Charlie Dixon. He had a great season when he was 30 in 2021 - Port got to a prelim but got rolled by Dogs. Since then his injury run in a way seems to mirror Port's fortunes. Dixon with a clean bill of health and in form would have given Port another solid avenue for goal all season. Instead he's been injured, up n down in form line and Port relied on the likes of Ollie Lord to keep them afloat. We don't even have an Ollie Lord type in our reserves.
I think Daniher is equally pivotal to us so this is just a prudent player management suggestion for next season.
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Yeah Oscar is probably the better forward of the two. His defensive efforts are ok for a guy that big, but not great compared to the current forward line up. Problem is I think Oscar is probably a better ruck too. So its a bit of reach to move him back out of the ruck to play Fort.
Also worth remembering that for a second ruck option they only play small minutes in the ruck with something like 60-70% game time in their other role. So the other 70% of what they do needs to be the focus more than the quality of their ruck work. Hence its better to have a decent forward who can ruck a little, than a good ruck who is useless outside of that and ends up on the bench wasting rotations.
Personally think if you want a second ruck they should be a pretty athletic forward who can chase and jump, rather than a more lumbering ruck style.
