List Mgmt. 2023 Trade & List Management Thread III

[Mop]

I think it is as unrealistic as 2 and 3, but who knows, I can see a club like Dees throwing everything they have at a player like that because they aren't going to see top end talent for a very long time so late first rounders don't mean a lot to them. I can't see a side rebuilding that needs assistance to become competitive can trade away almost all of their picks for one player.

Perhaps Hawks or Dees will throw all they have, but that would mean likely missing both Reid and McKercher.

I think the Hawk deal was close to fair - Kent Brockman was the steak knives because of the very real PSD threat. It just didn't suit our needs, so unless someone else can wrench the pick 2 off your hands and send it to us, I just can't forsee how any trade for Pick 1 isn't between WC and North.

We have the opposite problem to you guys - you've got so much quality young midfield you're going to run out of cupboard space soon. Our young midfield talent is Ginbey, Hewett and the one good knee of Jai Culley. That's it.
We need a genuine top top tier midfielder. The two candidates in this year's draft are Reid and McKercher.

 

[rickety]

Watch this and tell me he's even on the same planet skill wise as Sanders.

I reckon I watched this one 1st and thunk his disposal was meh .... but I've watched a couple of others since and thunk he was a bit of a smooth mover with a nice peg. If this is his worst highlights, and the others his best, well idk, but that Sanders fella looks ok too. I did like that Duursma one where he played for Casey, didn't think much of that Curtin one I watched, and am slowly working my way about watching one from whathisname Reid. Not a fan of Watson. Or something, imo, funny face thing, or else,

 

[ohmygewd]

Disagree, the 2 and 3 is posturing. No one outside of early 00s Fremantle is doing that trade.

2/15/18. That's my prediction for a club accepting a bid.
Maybe our third going back your way, leaving us with 2,15,18,22 for our four selections. (22 will go back after matching bids and academies)

Our BF board thinks this is woefully inadequate, you think it's stupidly over. I lean your way, but the AFL did give you concessions so you can afford to use them if Reid is truly the one Brady Rawlings and co seek.

Wait, didn't you blokes 12mths ago trade: 2, Rioli and 40 for 8,12 F2 and F3?

 

[Tas]

Just a quick observation - I appreciate that you people have been welcoming on your board. When you wander into the other side during times like this it can be a bit testy. You folks are alright. Cheers

Some people here are unhinged.

 

[Mop]

Wait, didn't you blokes 12mths ago trade: 2, Rioli and 40 for 8,12 F2 and F3?

You've combined two different scenarios but ultimately yeah.

Rioli wanted out. Not much we could do there. We got unders but our hands were tied.

For pick 2 we did indeed trade down because we had two local lads we liked in a core position of need. Our midfield drafting in the years prior was minimalistic to the point of nonexistent. Our list manager went for the divide and conquer strategy and nailed it. We've got some high end grunt in Reuben Ginbey and some X factor in Elijah Hewett, but neither of these is the centrepiece of the midfield. We need the star. We're now in the position to get said star.

Our main target is the same dude everyone wants - we don't need to sell to get what we want here.
Its solely a matter of whether someone else wants him enough to pay the high premium.



I reiterate, I don't believe it's in the best interests of the North Melbourne list to do so.

 

[Mop]

2 3 15 17 & 18 is much, much more joyful.

I agree. If the shoe was on the other foot I'd be running with that.

 

[DuckYeah]

Reid is the first pick, I thought that was obvious.

Who says? Pick the talent you want. Thats how it works

 

[Farthers]

If we could somehow get 7 and Haynes from GWS even more so

I thought I read Haynes' manager say he is staying at GWS.

 

[Colby Cheer Squad]

Disagree, the 2 and 3 is posturing. No one outside of early 00s Fremantle is doing that trade.

2/15/18. That's my prediction for a club accepting a bid.
Maybe our third going back your way, leaving us with 2,15,18,22 for our four selections. (22 will go back after matching bids and academies)

Our BF board thinks this is woefully inadequate, you think it's stupidly over. I lean your way, but the AFL did give you concessions so you can afford to use them if Reid is truly the one Brady Rawlings and co seek.

I'm sure there was some hope from the AFL executive and the commission that the assistance given to North Melbourne would be shared with West Coast without them having to cop heat for assisting a club that won a flag 5 years ago. Personally, I don't really mind if we do that deal or don't do that deal. I think we will have done well for ourselves either way, but I think West Coast is better off doing the deal and bringing in more diverse talent rather than just the top pick.

 

[Mop]

Who says? Pick the talent you want. Thats how it works

Yeah. We want Reid. McKercher is the plan B. Again, I thought that was quite obvious.

 

[Tas]

I think the Hawk deal was close to fair - Kent Brockman was the steak knives because of the very real PSD threat. It just didn't suit our needs, so unless someone else can wrench the pick 2 off your hands and send it to us, I just can't forsee how any trade for Pick 1 isn't between WC and North.

We have the opposite problem to you guys - you've got so much quality young midfield you're going to run out of cupboard space soon. Our young midfield talent is Ginbey, Hewett and the one good knee of Jai Culley. That's it.
We need a genuine top top tier midfielder. The two candidates in this year's draft are Reid and McKercher.

Those mids didn't come from one draft, there is usually good mids to be had every year.

I think Reid will be more like Martin, he will be predominately a forward I think who can play in the middle. But even our stodgy side knocked Richmond out of the finals before they got Prestia. It was my main concern with JHF, he can get the ball and he will have great highlights but our midfield was dysfunctional with him in there because he didn't know how to do the defensive work and spent most of his junior days just hunting the ball because he was good enough. It isn't enough at AFL level.

It is the same reservation I have with Reid, but in saying that, we have recruited the type of mids that would suit him, we need better wingmen but if you can get everything you need in the draft you can trade for what is left.

I think McKercher and Sanders would be more requirements to rebuild a midfield, Sanders is more inside but he has good skills, McKercher is a very damaging accumulator, more outside than inside, similar to LDU. If I was looking to rebuild a midfield those two would be my targets.

If that was my objective then I would approach North and say, i want McKercher and Sanders. You want Reid, where do we think Sanders will go... we can get McKercher with two but he wont be around beyond 2/3... Sanders is a harder one to quantify, Geelong want him but they have doubts he will be there at 8. What kind of pick do we need to have a high levels of confidence on Sanders 5? 6? How do we get deals done for the kind of pick needed, how do we work together so everyone gets what they want.

It doesn't seem there is any kind of coordination going on, the mega trade thing last year got air a long time before it eventuated, you had a number of clubs who knew what they wanted and it was far from a perfect trade but it got done. West Coast just seems like they are unsure what they want so they don't really have a strategy to target something. I doubt they are just going to auction the pick for random picks and hope it is a good outcome.

 

[DuckYeah]

I'm sure there was some hope from the AFL executive and the commission that the assistance given to North Melbourne would be shared with West Coast without them having to cop heat for assisting a club that won a flag 5 years ago. Personally, I don't really mind if we do that deal or don't do that deal. I think we will have done well for ourselves either way, but I think West Coast is better off doing the deal and bringing in more diverse talent rather than just the top pick.

They had their chance with 4 x first round picks. We take pick 2 and 3 and the rest and go shopping

 

[speedy]

didn't think much of that Curtin one I watched,

The footage which I’ve seen of Curtin he has looked just above average in a couple, and very good in the rest. But it his agility and hands below his knees for a tall which stand out. Plus going by the stats he seems a natural accumulator regardless of where he plays. It‘s not so much how good he is now but what he could become.

 

[DuckYeah]

Yeah. We want Reid. McKercher is the plan B. Again, I thought that was quite obvious.

So be it. Done deal. Because to trade with any other team to “maximise” draft hand means your club misses out on a midfielder. So its a really easy decision. There really isn’t an avenue for discussion.

 

[Mop]

I'm sure there was some hope from the AFL executive and the commission that the assistance given to North Melbourne would be shared with West Coast without them having to cop heat for assisting a club that won a flag 5 years ago. Personally, I don't really mind if we do that deal or don't do that deal. I think we will have done well for ourselves either way, but I think West Coast is better off doing the deal and bringing in more diverse talent rather than just the top pick.

That is a theory someone posted on our board, yes.
I'll go on the record and say I hate the weird wishy washy compensation the AFL gave out. I don't love the McKay pick 3 thing but that was on the cards eons ago. The messaging is wonky and weird.
There is many a salt packet on our trade board about this very matter.
Between that and the many northern academy picks, this draft is cooked.

I hold no ill will towards North for making the most of a shit system though. You can only play the ball as it comes.

The question I put to you is this - you're Brady Rawlings, I'm Rohan "The Pie Man" O'Brien. What are you offering for pick 1? Best and final offer.

 

[Mop]

So be it. Done deal. Because to trade with any other team to “maximise” draft hand means your club misses out on a midfielder. So its a really easy decision. There really isn’t an avenue for discussion.

I'd be perfectly happy if no more discussion was had and the Eagles released a statement saying categorically we were using our selection to take Tongala midfielder Harley Reid.
This isn't going to happen, so we've got a good 37 days further to discuss this. Feel free to not engage if you find it tedious.

 

[zoomba23]

They had their chance with 4 x first round picks. We take pick 2 and 3 and the rest and go shopping

That was an insulting offer that we made them, mate. Don't paint it as if it was deserving of consideration

 

[Mop]

They had their chance with 4 x first round picks. We take pick 2 and 3 and the rest and go shopping

You seriously think that was a reasonable offer? That was about as genuine as our leak to the media that we will except no less than 2 and 3.
No one outside of the hilariously bad 00s Freo side is accepting that.

 

[the big lebowski]

You seriously think that was a reasonable offer? That was about as genuine as our leak to the media that we will except no less than 2 and 3.
No one outside of the hilariously bad 00s Freo side is accepting that.

I liked how we offered pick 18 before we even had pick 18

 

[Kato]

My best offer would be 2 and 17…And on the 4 first rounders we offered, though seems light on it could have enabled them to trade up for two top 10 picks…


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[Masked Avenger]

That is a theory someone posted on our board, yes.
I'll go on the record and say I hate the weird wishy washy compensation the AFL gave out. I don't love the McKay pick 3 thing but that was on the cards eons ago. The messaging is wonky and weird.
There is many a salt packet on our trade board about this very matter.
Between that and the many northern academy picks, this draft is cooked.

I hold no ill will towards North for making the most of a s**t system though. You can only play the ball as it comes.

The question I put to you is this - you're Brady Rawlings, I'm Rohan "The Pie Man" O'Brien. What are you offering for pick 1? Best and final offer.

For a player as generational as you claim Reid is Mopster, you do seem quite keen to be fielding offers for the lad.

I'm not sure it's exactly negotiation 101.

 

[Passmore]

Bigfooty offers have no say in the matter...surely we understand that....

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[speedy]

Yeah. We want Reid. McKercher is the plan B. Again, I thought that was quite obvious.

Would you take Curtin after McKercher if you had picks 2 & 3?

 

[DuckYeah]

My best offer would be 2 and 17…And on the 4 first rounders we offered, though seems light on it could have enabled them to trade up for two top 10 picks…


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Exactly right. They could have. They didn’t. Tough t***ies

 

[DuckYeah]

That was an insulting offer that we made them, mate. Don't paint it as if it was deserving of consideration

An insulting offer would be, pick 3 and pick 15.