List Mgmt. 2023 Trade & List Management Thread III

[Kato]

Bigfooty offers have no say in the matter...surely we understand that....

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Yeah, I think it is as supporter what would you feel comfortable with…Either way we will back all the players we draft, no matter who or where we pick them…that being said there will always be peeps that will whine and have whipping boys out of it, but that will be the minority on here (I hope)…


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[ferball]

I think the Hawk deal was close to fair - Kent Brockman was the steak knives because of the very real PSD threat. It just didn't suit our needs, so unless someone else can wrench the pick 2 off your hands and send it to us, I just can't forsee how any trade for Pick 1 isn't between WC and North.

We have the opposite problem to you guys - you've got so much quality young midfield you're going to run out of cupboard space soon. Our young midfield talent is Ginbey, Hewett and the one good knee of Jai Culley. That's it.
We need a genuine top top tier midfielder. The two candidates in this year's draft are Reid and McKercher.

Sanders is quality too. As good as the other two ... maybe better. People have raised issues with Reid's tank on this board and they may be right which could make the other two better candidates.

 

[Ashley B]

I thought I read Haynes' manager say he is staying at GWS.

Well forget that then lol

 

[Mop]

For a player as generational as you claim Reid is Mopster, you do seem quite keen to be fielding offers for the lad.

I'm not sure it's exactly negotiation 101.

I don't claim to know enough about Harley Reid to know if he's generational. I don't think you'll see any of my posts anywhere claim what you're insinuating. The extent of my underage watching is the occasional WAFL game.
I'm basing my opinions off those more educated on drafting than I and my own take on our list.

I'm working off a few reasonable assumptions.

1. Harley Reid is the top rated available player in the draft. This is a fair assumption by basically everyone. Jed Walter may be the other, but he's tied to Gold Coast and isn't being considered as he isn't obtainable.
2. I'm presuming, correctly if the media is to be believed, that most clubs have Reid as their top pick.
3. My team's midfield is horrible. This is just outright fact.
4. My team's needs are an elite midfielder. There are two of those prospects in this draft.
5. My team lacks high end young personnel due to a lack of top end draft picks and those we did had have failed for various reasons.
6. Importantly, I'm working off the assumption that Harley Reid is #1 on the North Melbourne draft board, and they are prepared to trade for him.

The rest is pure speculation based on far less tangible fact.

The pragmatic view is that everyone and everything is for sale for the right price.

My own human view is our fanbase will quietly revolt if we don't draft Reid so the offer needs to be inflated in order to justify the shitstorm that will ensue if our list management team throw this away.

 

[Bazzbot13]

I think the Hawk deal was close to fair - Kent Brockman was the steak knives because of the very real PSD threat. It just didn't suit our needs, so unless someone else can wrench the pick 2 off your hands and send it to us, I just can't forsee how any trade for Pick 1 isn't between WC and North.

We have the opposite problem to you guys - you've got so much quality young midfield you're going to run out of cupboard space soon. Our young midfield talent is Ginbey, Hewett and the one good knee of Jai Culley. That's it.
We need a genuine top top tier midfielder. The two candidates in this year's draft are Reid and McKercher.

Can only assume WC have multiple WA kids they want this year. Hawk deal didn't give them enough to do much damage this year.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Bigfooty offers have no say in the matter...surely we understand that....

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That defeats the entire purpose of the trade boards and club trade threads.

 

[Mop]

An insulting offer would be, pick 3 and pick 15.

That is more useful than the other crap that was offered though. You seem to miss that point.

My best offer would be 2 and 17…And on the 4 first rounders we offered, though seems light on it could have enabled them to trade up for two top 10 picks…


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I would be declining that offer. It isn't enough to shift from what I understand to be the clear #1 prospect.

 

[Damien Sandow]

Folks. How many picks are we using ?

 

[Mop]

That defeats the entire purpose of the trade boards and club trade threads.

I'm quite enjoying playing be the Pie Man

Would you take Curtin after McKercher if you had picks 2 & 3?

Wonderful question. McKercher is definitely the pick 2 (after a sneaky Walter bid). Some suggestion we could trade down 3 to say 7 to still get Curtin, but ultimately yeah Curtin at 3 as well as McKercher is fine. It's taking just Curtin that's the issue. It doesn't fix our midfield gap - even if he does think he'll end up a very tall midfielder.

Can only assume WC have multiple WA kids they want this year. Hawk deal didn't give them enough to do much damage this year.

Some suggestion that we'd trade our F1 to get Curtin this year, but who knows what's just talk and what's real.

 

[Hearts to hearts]

That is more useful than the other crap that was offered though. You seem to miss that point.


I would be declining that offer. It isn't enough to shift from what I understand to be the clear #1 prospect.

You’d think the only way through would be an offer that enabled West Coast to get at least two of the top level players this draft, either directly or indirectly. Two picks in the teens they could maybe do something with, one of the chosen few and one in the teens doesn’t do enough from their perspective. If they only get to pick one of them it might as well be the one they rate the highest.

 

[hurricane]

My own human view is our fanbase will quietly revolt if we don't draft Reid so the offer needs to be inflated in order to justify the shitstorm that will ensue if our list management team throw this away.

You’re going to let your list management strategy be impacted by the reaction of your fan base? The last team that took so much notice of their fans hasn’t had a finals win for 7000 odd days…

 

[Mop]

You’d think the only way through would be an offer that enabled West Coast to get at least two of the top level players this draft, either directly or indirectly. Two picks in the teens they could maybe do something with, one of the chosen few and one in the teens doesn’t do enough from their perspective. If they only get to pick one of them it might as well be the one they rate the highest.

If North could conjure up pick 2 and say 7 for 1 and what is now 23 I'd probably go for it. That likely gets us McKercher and Curtin.

 

[Mop]

You’re going to let your list management strategy be impacted by the reaction of your fan base? The last team that took so much notice of their fans hasn’t had a finals win for 7000 odd days…

Normally I don't think the club would give a toss what we think - but these are strange times here in the Blue and Gold half of the footballing state.

Our fanbase gets a lot of stick for being entitled old chardonnay drinking tossers but it isn't too far from the truth. We simply as a fanbase aren't used to being this horrendously shit.
Our one local newspaper blasted us, and it was quite hilarious the feud going on between the newspaper and the club and the information wars - so much so now that almost every story that the Newspaper posts about the club is quickly debunked. The one journalist that had a genuine in at the club (Mark Duffield) as made redundant and works for Code now. The club rejected the constant beating of the club's "good name" in the media and essentially blacklisted every journalist from the West.

Meanwhile, our fans revolted at the club's very late acceptance that we were on a very steep decline - so much so that the club executive genuinely was of the belief that we'd be contending finals this season as late as round 5 this year when the wheels fell off our season. Absolute delusion.
Even pre injuries I had us down for bottom 4 - but not nearly as bad and uncompetitive as we were for most of the season.
There's also the media circus around Trevor Nisbett vs Adam Simpson and the whole saga there.

It was a bad season to be associated with us, put it that way. The club head honchos are very acutely aware of that for the first time since the bad days of 2007.

What all of that means now is the club needs a PR win. Signing the new prodigy to take the hallowed #9 guernsey is a huge deal. I don't think anyone other than Harley Reid will suit that hype train.
I think just this once the club is critically aware of that. I note that our membership renewal letters were send out this week.
Not huge when we have 50,000 people on the waiting list, but a factor all the same.

 

[Samsquanch]

When are they back training.



Goal kicking mid with burst - mckercher is ours

Yeah! Reid it and weep WCE people.

 

[apollo_creed]

JHF is and will forever be a better player than HR.

He has explosive speed.
Great Mark.
Great Kick.
Tackkes Hard.
Compact solid Build.

HR skillset is below that of JHF in every aspect other than the DH aspect.

So stop comparing what we were offered for JHF pre trade. We were never going to give him up.

HR at best is worth a pick 2 and 15 and even then I'm not sold that he will be better than Kerch, Dursma,Sanders or Watson.





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JHF is not a great mark. That’s just untrue. He looks strong but has fumbling hands in the marking contest.

And he’s a good kick, not a great one. Length on the leg is good and fairly reliable but definitely not elite in terms of accuracy.

You have definitely overrated him.

 

[ohmygewd]

You've combined two different scenarios but ultimately yeah.

Rioli wanted out. Not much we could do there. We got unders but our hands were tied.

For pick 2 we did indeed trade down because we had two local lads we liked in a core position of need. Our midfield drafting in the years prior was minimalistic to the point of nonexistent. Our list manager went for the divide and conquer strategy and nailed it. We've got some high end grunt in Reuben Ginbey and some X factor in Elijah Hewett, but neither of these is the centrepiece of the midfield. We need the star. We're now in the position to get said star.

Our main target is the same dude everyone wants - we don't need to sell to get what we want here.
Its solely a matter of whether someone else wants him enough to pay the high premium.



I reiterate, I don't believe it's in the best interests of the North Melbourne list to do so.

I humbly disagree, l think our mate leaving after the 1st year spooked a lot of clubs from picking interstate talent makes you wonder if the Cats would have picked Ginbey or even if both clubs would've trade their picks in the first place had he stayed and then we'd be in the same dance as you are but with GWS for #1...we'd probably be as stubborn as you blokes and won't budge either .

Now back to Reid, everyone wants him but (coming from an obvious entitled view) we've sucked for 3 years never being able to access to the true No.1 and in a year where there are no ties to No.1 so we deserve that to cap off our rebuild but you clowns decided to have a stinker as well...we couldn't even get PP1 cos you clowns once again, put the fear into Gil that WCE may need #1 more then us.

Yeah we'll pay a premium for Reid but it wont be #2, l'm sure there will be an agreement not to take Curtin but #3 will used.
If it's 3,15,17 and F2
You take 3 - Curtin which either replaces Hurn or McGovern (whose a hammy or an ankle away from retirement)
If no agreement, 3 - McKercher, outside of Tim Kelly you don't have a player like him on your list.
15 - Darcy Wilson who would replace Gaff maybe Yeo long term or mix him with Edwards playing 50/50 Wing/HBF.
17 - M.Edwards is your future No.1 Ruck/Fwd or 100% Ruck.
F2 - probably nets you P20-23 (presuming you P19).

And l can guarantee you that if you were the scum, there is no hope in hell would l want any of our current picks to go to that scumbag club, couldn't careless if W.Carey was No.1.

I digress, really interested in what you or your blokes are hoping to achieve with just 1 & 23 as l don't think you'll get a better offer?
Your rebuilding is just starting, all these premiership/AA players basically have no draft currency and you've seen what the future looks like when 40% of your list is unavailable added to that Simmo will likely be sacked....and take it from us, a ground zero rebuild f'in sucks!!!

 

[rickety]

Bigfooty offers have no say in the matter...surely we understand that....

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It's been the embryo of a few media stories though

 

[Mop]

I humbly disagree, l think our mate leaving after the 1st year spooked a lot of clubs from picking interstate talent makes you wonder if the Cats would have picked Ginbey or even if both clubs would've trade their picks in the first place had he stayed and then we'd be in the same dance as you are but with GWS for #1...we'd probably be as stubborn as you blokes and won't budge either .

Now back to Reid, everyone wants him but (coming from an obvious entitled view) we've sucked for 3 years never being able to access to the true No.1 and in a year where there are no ties to No.1 so we deserve that to cap off our rebuild but you clowns decided to have a stinker as well...we couldn't even get PP1 cos you clowns once again, put the fear into Gil that WCE may need #1 more then us.

Yeah we'll pay a premium for Reid but it wont be #2, l'm sure there will be an agreement not to take Curtin but #3 will used.
If it's 3,15,17 and F2
You take 3 - Curtin which either replaces Hurn or McGovern (whose a hammy or an ankle away from retirement)
If no agreement, 3 - McKercher, outside of Tim Kelly you don't have a player like him on your list.
15 - Darcy Wilson who would replace Gaff maybe Yeo long term or mix him with Edwards playing 50/50 Wing/HBF.
17 - M.Edwards is your future No.1 Ruck/Fwd or 100% Ruck.
F2 - probably nets you P20-23 (presuming you P19).

And l can guarantee you that if you were the scum, there is no hope in hell would l want any of our current picks to go to that scumbag club, couldn't careless if W.Carey was No.1.

I digress, really interested in what you or your blokes are hoping to achieve with just 1 & 23 as l don't think you'll get a better offer?
Your rebuilding is just starting, all these premiership/AA players basically have no draft currency and you've seen what the future looks like when 40% of your list is unavailable added to that Simmo will likely be sacked....and take it from us, a ground zero rebuild f'in sucks!!!

A nice well thought out post but you've made a core error in your assumption.
Curtin is our third choice, and not our need. McKercher is the alternate target supposedly, just being kept on the downlow.

Pick 3 doesn't help us get McKercher. The rest of the post sadly falls over.
3,15,17 and F2 sounds great, but really it doesn't fix our list.

 

[The Y Factor]

3&15 is pretty good.

 

[pupstar]

JHF is not a great mark. That’s just untrue. He looks strong but has fumbling hands in the marking contest.

And he’s a good kick, not a great one. Length on the leg is good and fairly reliable but definitely not elite in terms of accuracy.

You have definitely overrated him.

Going to be a great player regardless of what people think. He is underrated on here because he is no longer with us.

 

[kangaanth]

Harley Reid is a MASSIVE party boy. May not be the best place for him in Perth. I hope we don’t trade for him.

 

[see see]

FMD, did I miss the notification that this thread's now an essay writing competition? Or are the past couple of pages just a bunch of Tas alt accounts arguing with each other?

 

[Deleted member 98541]

3, 15, 18 for 1 & 22

Wait, that should read 2, 15, 18, for 1 & 22.

We draft with 1, 3, 17, 22

 

[Shinboner1]

3, 15, 18 for 1 & 22

no thanks

 

[Deleted member 98541]

no thanks

2, 3, 15, 17 ,18
to
1, 3, 17, 22

Yeah, I that's as good an option North would ever get, and probably 22 doesn't come back if it actually goes through. Maybe 33 instead.