List Mgmt. 2023 Trade & List Management Thread

[King Corey]

Edit: will update if ppl happy for this to sticky

Ok starting the hit list of names mentioned in any rumour as linked to us for 2023 trade period.

• Mac Andrew
• Hunter Clark
• Zac Fisher
• Sam Flanders
• Mitch Georgiades
• Liam Henry
• Dougal Howard
• Lewis Melican
• Jack Silvagni
• Dylan Stephens
• Adam Tomlinson

 

[Makeshift Park]

If Ben does decide he wants to go elsewhere, and this may have already been suggested, but why don't we just go and get Himmelberg?

What KC said. He's the most in-demand free agent available this year, every Victorian club is after him.

GWS have an offer of 5x700k already on the table for him.

We'd probably have to offer 850k+ x 5 just to get a meeting.

 

[DesertRoo]

That's smart. We can also offer him a lot of inadvertent newspaper coverage because we feature in at least 1x major off-field story each year, usually unrelated to anything our football club actually did.

Wayne Carey, Hawthorn FC and Tarryn Thomas like this

Perfect he can be spokesperson too, we can push him out front of the cameras with the instruction of deny deny deny, Not sure what he wants to do life after footy but it’s perfect training for anyone who wants a job in PR or gov.

 

[Lomas]

No more guys with injury issues


If gws and us both get Band 1 - do we trade pick 3 for picks 8 and 9

Then go to draft with picks 2,8,9 and 17
GWS can then trade 3 and 11 for pick 1 if they want

Four first rounders would be magical.

 

[nicko74]

On Gettable they refer to "Swans Roo chase". Is that McKay or someone else

 

[The Nostradamus]

On Gettable they refer to "Swans Roo chase". Is that McKay or someone else

McKay
And they also tried to get larkey

 

[nicko74]

McKay
And they also tried to get larkey

Larkey went

 

[Psicosis]

650x5 probably means a club needs to offer 700x5 to get him - Experts, is that Band 1 territory? I assume it's close...

Danihers was reportedly 2.5M over 3 years

 

[Del191229]

Its not that simple.
What if he goes to Port Adelaide and becomes a Premiership CHB, All Australian and plays the next 7 years there?
And all we got was a pick in the 20's for him as compensation.
Would you be happy then?.

What if he goes there, gets two head knocks in five games and retires like Ben Jacobs.

He's playing on potential. He's had one season two years ago where he was consistently good.

 

[The Filth Wizard]

650x5 probably means a club needs to offer 700x5 to get him - Experts, is that Band 1 territory? I assume it's close...

Danihers was reportedly 2.5M over 3 years

What works in our favour is Ben is a "young" FA so he'll get bumped up years. And while he may have slipped from last year fact is a lot of offers would have come in based on last season and that KP's of his age and talent/potential are gold.

 

[Daniltchenko You Beauty]

650x5 probably means a club needs to offer 700x5 to get him - Experts, is that Band 1 territory? I assume it's close...

Danihers was reportedly 2.5M over 3 years

Others will get into a bidding war and it'll go higher than 700. We'll get band one.

 

[ferball]

That's because Himmelberg is a proven gun who can play either end, has finals wins under his belt etc.

Let's be honest, if we spent Band 1 compo on an injury prone 25 year old who has played 55 games and is still playing on potential rather than results which is what Ben McKay actually is, people would storm Arden Street looking to hang Brady by his nostril hairs.

This is from the AFL website. See the bolded bit for how we'll get screwed:

A club that has a net loss of players transferring to/from other clubs as free agents in one transfer period is entitled to compensation via National Draft picks allocated by the AFL.

The compensation formula produces a points rating for players based on:

1. The new contract of the free agent;
2. The age of the free agent.

Draft picks are allocated to clubs based on the net total points for free agents lost and gained during the transfer period.

Draft picks will be allocated to one of five places:

• 1st round
• end of 1st round
• 2nd round
• end of 2nd round
• 3rd round

In applying the formula, an expert committee reviews the formula outcomes. The committee has the power to recommend alternative outcomes to GM – Football Operations where the formula produces a materially anomalous result.

 

[shinboner magic]

This is from the AFL website. See the bolded bit for how we'll get screwed:

A club that has a net loss of players transferring to/from other clubs as free agents in one transfer period is entitled to compensation via National Draft picks allocated by the AFL.

The compensation formula produces a points rating for players based on:

1. The new contract of the free agent;
2. The age of the free agent.

Draft picks are allocated to clubs based on the net total points for free agents lost and gained during the transfer period.

Draft picks will be allocated to one of five places:

• 1st round
• end of 1st round
• 2nd round
• end of 2nd round
• 3rd round

In applying the formula, an expert committee reviews the formula outcomes. The committee has the power to recommend alternative outcomes to GM – Football Operations where the formula produces a materially anomalous result.

Is Laura Kane involved in this from the afl

 

[ferball]

Dunno.

 

[ferball]

i'd reckon tho ... isn't she GM of footy?

 

[My Left Foote]

This is from the AFL website. See the bolded bit for how we'll get screwed:

A club that has a net loss of players transferring to/from other clubs as free agents in one transfer period is entitled to compensation via National Draft picks allocated by the AFL.

The compensation formula produces a points rating for players based on:

1. The new contract of the free agent;
2. The age of the free agent.

Draft picks are allocated to clubs based on the net total points for free agents lost and gained during the transfer period.

Draft picks will be allocated to one of five places:

• 1st round
• end of 1st round
• 2nd round
• end of 2nd round
• 3rd round

In applying the formula, an expert committee reviews the formula outcomes. The committee has the power to recommend alternative outcomes to GM – Football Operations where the formula produces a materially anomalous result.

I think it will be used to help us not hinder us. We'll go to the AFL justifiably asking for a Priority Pick and they'll say no, however they'll give us a 1st round compo pick regardless of whether the formula warrants one or not.

 

[Harris 10]

Can or could pick purchasing work like this?
Eg: We buy Carlton’s first at a price high enough for them to fit in Mckay and a little bit more room in the cap. What they pay Mckay effectively gives us first round compensation which in a round about we are paying for.

Carlton could then have cap room to fit in Gresham.

I haven’ t thought much about it so just using the names and clubs above as an example. Just trying to fully get my head around it.

 

[King Corey]

Can or could pick purchasing work like this?
Eg: We buy Carlton’s first at a price high enough for them to fit in Mckay and a little bit more room in the cap. What they pay Mckay effectively gives us first round compensation which in a round about we are paying for.

Carlton could then have cap room to fit in Gresham.

I haven’ t thought much about it so just using the names and clubs above as an example. Just trying to fully get my head around it.

Wouldn't we get shortchanged in that scenario?

We give Carlton salary space (lol) for their pick

We give Carlton McKay for... their pick

So Carlton get salary cap relief (again, lol sure) AND McKay and we just get their one little pick?

 

[Lomas]

Wouldn't we get shortchanged in that scenario?

We give Carlton salary space (lol) for their pick

We give Carlton McKay for... their pick

So Carlton get salary cap relief (again, lol sure) AND McKay and we just get their one little pick?

I think we get pick 3 Compo too.

 

[Harris 10]

Wouldn't we get shortchanged in that scenario?

We give Carlton salary space (lol) for their pick

We give Carlton McKay for... their pick

So Carlton get salary cap relief (again, lol sure) AND McKay and we just get their one little pick?

We buy their first, plus we get compensation pick for Mckay.

Probably haven't explained it well, like i said i'm trying to get my head around it.

 

[King Corey]

I think we get pick 3 Compo too.

We buy their first, plus we get compensation pick for Mckay.

Probably haven't explained it well, like i said i'm trying to get my head around it.

Ok ok...

You have dismantled me - but done it so lovingly.

You've got the job.

 

[ferball]

I think it will be used to help us not hinder us. We'll go to the AFL justifiably asking for a Priority Pick and they'll say no, however they'll give us a 1st round compo pick if regardless of whether the formula warrants one or not.

I hope so.

 

[gokangas]

If we have to pay $700 x 5 then maybe I would do it. But that's my limit.

 

[Johnny99]

What if he goes there, gets two head knocks in five games and retires like Ben Jacobs.

And that's the reason we took Lachie Hansen instead of Joel Selwood. Because Selwood had a suspect knee. How did that turn out?

 

[year of the roo]

We buy their first, plus we get compensation pick for Mckay.

Probably haven't explained it well, like i said i'm trying to get my head around it.

So we get our pick (2), comp pick (3), priority pick (4) and Carltons first pick (7). Then the Port pick. Imagine if Port had sucked too.

I'm now addicted to this, who else can we trade out for a first round pick? I want 6 of them.

 

[Harris 10]

If we have to pay $700 x 5 then maybe I would do it. But that's my limit.

I don’t think the money is an issue for us, $700 or $800k really means nothing when we can front load.

It just comes down to a decision of do we value him more than a compensation pick.