List Mgmt. 2023 Trade & List Management Thread

[King Corey]

Edit: will update if ppl happy for this to sticky

Ok starting the hit list of names mentioned in any rumour as linked to us for 2023 trade period.

• Mac Andrew
• Hunter Clark
• Zac Fisher
• Sam Flanders
• Mitch Georgiades
• Liam Henry
• Dougal Howard
• Lewis Melican
• Jack Silvagni
• Dylan Stephens
• Adam Tomlinson

 

[Daniltchenko You Beauty]

Connection there

 

[Psicosis]

Connection there

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Whilst I rate TD, we don’t need another defender without strong athleticism and ball use.

 

[Daniltchenko You Beauty]

Whilst I rate TD, we don’t need another defender without strong athleticism and ball use.

Tend to agree. Also more a third tall in the Corr mould.

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

Get me absolutely anyone that can play effectively on a small/medium forward.

 

[Shinboner1]

Michael Jordan premiership player from Melbourne is having a down year (in and out of the team) after averaging 21 touches in his second year. Might be handy off half back and probably cost us a pick in the 30's.

DRAFT NOTES
Jordon’s strengths lie on the outside at this point, with a penetrating kick seeing teammates look for him by hand to deliver the ball inside 50. It’s no wonder why they trust him with that responsibility either, with Jordan’s sound decision making and booming boot making him dangerous going forward.

You mean James Jordan?

 

[Shinboner1]

Connection there

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It's a yeah nah from me.
Man has no knees and won't be playing much of 2024. Not what we need right now.

 

[New_Roo]

Whilst I rate TD, we don’t need another defender without strong athleticism and ball use.

Personally I think Doedee is athletic hence plays taller than his size isn't he only circa 192-3.... and thought his ball use was always decent but again don't watch huge amts of crows games. Think he is similar to corr still don't think corr has hit his straps yet and would take doedee for competition... for that 3rd/4th.... lmac isn't exactly lighting it up lately either

But agree the ACLis an issue


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[PokerRoo]

we don't specifically need more high end picks. we need to be better at picking up talent later in the drafts. after this draft, either with or without any FA compo, I think we have had enough multiple 1 round picks, we need to start getting games into them, and picking the eyes out of other teams fringe players and late draft picks

 

[New_Roo]

we don't specifically need more high end picks. we need to be better at picking up talent later in the drafts. after this draft, either with or without any FA compo, I think we have had enough multiple 1 round picks, we need to start getting games into them, and picking the eyes out of other teams fringe players and late draft picks

Totally agree some of these "kids" are 24/25 now eg LDU Simpkin larkey tt bull buckets.... isn't this our core that we should be building around.... its now using our picks to add to this core.... we can get in the odd 18 yr old but theres already a 7 yr gap.

People are saying we have the mids now cause we have wardlaw and Sheez.... what about the above plus philips powell taken before these guys..


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[TennisPlayerAndy]

Totally agree some of these "kids" are 24/25 now eg LDU Simpkin larkey tt bull buckets.... isn't this our core that we should be building around.... its now using our picks to add to this core.... we can get in the odd 18 yr old but theres already a 7 yr gap.

People are saying we have the mids now cause we have wardlaw and Sheez.... what about the above plus philips powell taken before these guys..


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Most of those you listed are pulling their collective weight when fully fit.

It’s the senior leaders that continue to completely destroy any momentum during games. Most of them play in the same third of the field.

Goldy phones it in when it gets physical.

Corr is pox.

McDonald is poxer and to make things worse is a ****ing captain.

Ziebell has fallen off a cliff.

The rest of the senior guys are Turner, Hall, Greenwood, Howe, Cunnington. None of which will help take us anywhere from
Next year onwards.

It’s the 27+ group that leads clubs. And we have the biggest group of ineffectual footballers in that age group in the league.

 

[Ischenko]

Yep, suburbs in Melbourne having to hire their own security but Adelaide’s the s**t hole!

Mate don’t believe The Herald Sun/Sky News. They make money off your fear. This is bullshit.

 

[Roosurgence]

James Jordan, Bailey Williams, Noah Answerth are three really solid role players who we should be targeting this year.

Jordan gives me the only looks good in a good side vibes for some reason.

 

[RooStu15]

Look at Adelaide's best (from the AFL site) O'Brien, Keays, Dawson, Rankine, Hinge, Sloane. Also Laird, Smith & Walker all had an influence. Only Rankine is under 25.
Yesterday we got nothing from our experienced players. Our best, Sheezel, Larkey, Thomas, Scott, Ziebell (from the AFL). Wardlaw and LDU also were pretty good. All under 25 apart from Zeibs, Larkey has just turned 25
Goldy, Corr (Was OK in the first half), Lmac, Shiels & Jy all ordinary.
We need quality experienced players to compliment our youth

 

[Themanbun]

Yep, suburbs in Melbourne having to hire their own security but Adelaide’s the s**t hole!

People leaving Melbourne and Sydney in droves. Only thing keeping the population afloat is external migration, which is presumably until they learn Melbourne and Sydney aren't great places to live.

 

[giantroo]

AFL news 2023: AFL determined to have mid-season trade period start next year

The AFL is determined to install a mid-season trade period next year that would see players moving clubs for greater opportunities after finally coming together with the AFLPA for a week of complex negotiations.

AFL chief executive Gillon McLachlan and CEO-in-waiting Andrew Dillon met with AFLPA boss Paul Marsh on Monday for talks on a pay deal.
That new deal could end up delivering a 30 per cent pay rise to AFL players over the next four years.

The AFL and union remain significantly apart on many elements of the collective bargaining agreement, with the AFLPA wanting a 32 per cent slice of certain agreed revenues.

That deal would be up from 30.5 per cent of combined revenue for men and women, with even the length of the CBA to be negotiated.

The AFL needs to broker a deal on five-day breaks for 2024 that would allow it to play up to 15 Thursday games.

And it is strongly in favour of a mid-season trade period for 2024 that would allow under-utilised players to secure a new start at a rival club.

The league believes it can find solutions for issues including how the salary of a player moving to a club with a full cap would be incorporated in their new club’s total player payments.

While the AFLPA is open to discussions around how a mid-season trade period would work, it is strongly against any player being forcibly traded against their will.


The AFLPA is keen for a four-year joint CBA taking in the men’s and women’s competition while the league’s first ambit claim was for a nine-year deal.

The Herald Sun revealed last week the AFL is resolute in wanting a 10-week AFLW competition starting on September 1 then agreed growth metrics that would see it gradually expanding the season.

Some AFLW players are determined to get a 12-week home-and-away season this year and a quick expansion to a 17-game season.

But other AFLW coaches and players are happy with a 10-week season if the AFL can prove it will expand the competition as soon as next year.

The league wants control of the season length under a brand revamp that will include rule changes to increase scoring and a smaller number of official AFL venues.

The league has also asked the players to fund a new concussion fund that it hopes will safeguard past and current players with brain and neck injuries.

AFL list managers are hopeful the significant expansion in the AFL’s TV rights deal – a $4.5 million contract running from 2025 to 2031 – will secure players a significant pay rise.

They are hopeful of up to 30 per cent rises across four seasons, with players keen for a large slice of that increase to be in the first season of the deal.

Players are currently operating on a CBA rolled over from 2022, so could secure significant back pay for the 2023 season when a new deal is agreed upon.

AFLPA boss Paul Marsh told the Herald Sun in April there were tough negotiations ahead.

“The gap between our proposals is really significant,” he said.

“The AFL proposal’s structurally worse for AFL players than the current deal, and it doesn’t meaningfully progress the AFLW vision.”

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[JGreezy]

AFL news 2023: AFL determined to have mid-season trade period start next year

The AFL is determined to install a mid-season trade period next year that would see players moving clubs for greater opportunities after finally coming together with the AFLPA for a week of complex negotiations.

AFL chief executive Gillon McLachlan and CEO-in-waiting Andrew Dillon met with AFLPA boss Paul Marsh on Monday for talks on a pay deal.
That new deal could end up delivering a 30 per cent pay rise to AFL players over the next four years.

The AFL and union remain significantly apart on many elements of the collective bargaining agreement, with the AFLPA wanting a 32 per cent slice of certain agreed revenues.

That deal would be up from 30.5 per cent of combined revenue for men and women, with even the length of the CBA to be negotiated.

The AFL needs to broker a deal on five-day breaks for 2024 that would allow it to play up to 15 Thursday games.

And it is strongly in favour of a mid-season trade period for 2024 that would allow under-utilised players to secure a new start at a rival club.

The league believes it can find solutions for issues including how the salary of a player moving to a club with a full cap would be incorporated in their new club’s total player payments.

While the AFLPA is open to discussions around how a mid-season trade period would work, it is strongly against any player being forcibly traded against their will.


The AFLPA is keen for a four-year joint CBA taking in the men’s and women’s competition while the league’s first ambit claim was for a nine-year deal.

The Herald Sun revealed last week the AFL is resolute in wanting a 10-week AFLW competition starting on September 1 then agreed growth metrics that would see it gradually expanding the season.

Some AFLW players are determined to get a 12-week home-and-away season this year and a quick expansion to a 17-game season.

But other AFLW coaches and players are happy with a 10-week season if the AFL can prove it will expand the competition as soon as next year.

The league wants control of the season length under a brand revamp that will include rule changes to increase scoring and a smaller number of official AFL venues.

The league has also asked the players to fund a new concussion fund that it hopes will safeguard past and current players with brain and neck injuries.

AFL list managers are hopeful the significant expansion in the AFL’s TV rights deal – a $4.5 million contract running from 2025 to 2031 – will secure players a significant pay rise.

They are hopeful of up to 30 per cent rises across four seasons, with players keen for a large slice of that increase to be in the first season of the deal.

Players are currently operating on a CBA rolled over from 2022, so could secure significant back pay for the 2023 season when a new deal is agreed upon.

AFLPA boss Paul Marsh told the Herald Sun in April there were tough negotiations ahead.

“The gap between our proposals is really significant,” he said.

“The AFL proposal’s structurally worse for AFL players than the current deal, and it doesn’t meaningfully progress the AFLW vision.”

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This could be very interesting because you'll have some delusional clubs who want to push for the 8 and be willing to part with picks for players.

 

[Lomas]

AFL news 2023: AFL determined to have mid-season trade period start next year

The AFL is determined to install a mid-season trade period next year that would see players moving clubs for greater opportunities after finally coming together with the AFLPA for a week of complex negotiations.

AFL chief executive Gillon McLachlan and CEO-in-waiting Andrew Dillon met with AFLPA boss Paul Marsh on Monday for talks on a pay deal.
That new deal could end up delivering a 30 per cent pay rise to AFL players over the next four years.

The AFL and union remain significantly apart on many elements of the collective bargaining agreement, with the AFLPA wanting a 32 per cent slice of certain agreed revenues.

That deal would be up from 30.5 per cent of combined revenue for men and women, with even the length of the CBA to be negotiated.

The AFL needs to broker a deal on five-day breaks for 2024 that would allow it to play up to 15 Thursday games.

And it is strongly in favour of a mid-season trade period for 2024 that would allow under-utilised players to secure a new start at a rival club.

The league believes it can find solutions for issues including how the salary of a player moving to a club with a full cap would be incorporated in their new club’s total player payments.

While the AFLPA is open to discussions around how a mid-season trade period would work, it is strongly against any player being forcibly traded against their will.


The AFLPA is keen for a four-year joint CBA taking in the men’s and women’s competition while the league’s first ambit claim was for a nine-year deal.

The Herald Sun revealed last week the AFL is resolute in wanting a 10-week AFLW competition starting on September 1 then agreed growth metrics that would see it gradually expanding the season.

Some AFLW players are determined to get a 12-week home-and-away season this year and a quick expansion to a 17-game season.

But other AFLW coaches and players are happy with a 10-week season if the AFL can prove it will expand the competition as soon as next year.

The league wants control of the season length under a brand revamp that will include rule changes to increase scoring and a smaller number of official AFL venues.

The league has also asked the players to fund a new concussion fund that it hopes will safeguard past and current players with brain and neck injuries.

AFL list managers are hopeful the significant expansion in the AFL’s TV rights deal – a $4.5 million contract running from 2025 to 2031 – will secure players a significant pay rise.

They are hopeful of up to 30 per cent rises across four seasons, with players keen for a large slice of that increase to be in the first season of the deal.

Players are currently operating on a CBA rolled over from 2022, so could secure significant back pay for the 2023 season when a new deal is agreed upon.

AFLPA boss Paul Marsh told the Herald Sun in April there were tough negotiations ahead.

“The gap between our proposals is really significant,” he said.

“The AFL proposal’s structurally worse for AFL players than the current deal, and it doesn’t meaningfully progress the AFLW vision.”

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Greater opportunities of course means first team locks moving to a contender with more cash somehow

 

[The acurate one]

While the AFLPA is open to discussions around how a mid-season trade period would work, it is strongly against any player being forcibly traded against their will.

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Damn there goes my 25 players for a future third scenario

oh well

 

[Lomas]

This could be very interesting because you'll have some delusional clubs who want to push for the 8 and be willing to part with picks for players.

And we become a feeder club, twice a year.
They recruit the gun we get with the draft pick after development. Rinse, repeat.

 

[JGreezy]

And we become a feeder club, twice a year.
They recruit the gun we get with the draft pick after development. Rinse, repeat.

Yep. Players are optimistic in the offseason.

But at mid year, when we had lost 10 in a row, and top 4 sides are calling up Thomas, LDU, McKay ... some players will ask to move because they want to play finals.

 

[hilly]

People leaving Melbourne and Sydney in droves. Only thing keeping the population afloat is external migration, which is presumably until they learn Melbourne and Sydney aren't great places to live.

Explains why property is so affordable there.

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[shimaburnsgrieg]

Yep. Players are optimistic in the offseason.

But at mid year, when we had lost 10 in a row, and top 4 sides are calling up Thomas, LDU, McKay ... some players will ask to move because they want to play finals.

Happens in US sport - the narrative quickly becomes is your club a 'buyer' ie in with a chance on making finals this year hence you are willing to part with draft picks to get a 'needs based' player in or a 'seller' ie no hope and better off stacking up on draft picks and getting rid of players that may want to leave at year end anyway. The difference here will be the AFL won't force players to go to clubs without their agreement so its not clear how far this will go.

For North - and if this was in this year - someone like Goldie could certainly leave and join Collingwood so they have a back up ruck for Sept. in return they give us their first pick or something worthwhile in the ND. Someone like BMac could also leave if he was thinking that way anyway. Once again one of the top 4 teams might feel they need a key defender and we might be willing to part with him for say 2 first rounders in the ND.

 

[Makeshift Park]

it is strongly in favour of a mid-season trade period for 2024 that would allow under-utilised players to secure a new start at a rival club.

I wonder how they define “under-utilised players”.

Could it mean something like: a player who has played more games in the VFL this season than in the seniors?

 

[shintemaster]

I have to say that personally I hate the idea of a mid season trade period. Fundamentally I think the short list sizes are a bigger issue.

 

[JGreezy]

Happens in US sport - the narrative quickly becomes is your club a 'buyer' ie in with a chance on making finals this year hence you are willing to part with draft picks to get a 'needs based' player in or a 'seller' ie no hope and better off stacking up on draft picks and getting rid of players that may want to leave at year end anyway. The difference here will be the AFL won't force players to go to clubs without their agreement so its not clear how far this will go.

For North - and if this was in this year - someone like Goldie could certainly leave and join Collingwood so they have a back up ruck for Sept. in return they give us their first pick or something worthwhile in the ND. Someone like BMac could also leave if he was thinking that way anyway. Once again one of the top 4 teams might feel they need a key defender and we might be willing to part with him for say 2 first rounders in the ND.

In the NBA they have tampering rules, though. You can't talk to contracted players about joining your team without permission from their team.

In the AFL teams could be calling LDU every week to convince him to demand a trade to St Kilda or wherever to play finals.