List Mgmt. 2023 Trade & List Management Thread

[King Corey]

Edit: will update if ppl happy for this to sticky

Ok starting the hit list of names mentioned in any rumour as linked to us for 2023 trade period.

• Mac Andrew
• Hunter Clark
• Zac Fisher
• Sam Flanders
• Mitch Georgiades
• Liam Henry
• Dougal Howard
• Lewis Melican
• Jack Silvagni
• Dylan Stephens
• Adam Tomlinson

 

[King Corey]

It would be negligent for his manager to advise him to sign now when he could potentially go from a $800k deal for 5 years to $1mil for 7 years with a strong start to the year and Logue providing support he never had, which will only increase his capacity to intercept?

I see this logic around a bit as it was floated for justifying for JHF deferring talks last year too.

But I'd guess that more high quality players sign early than drag out their contracts talks only to re-sign later?

How much more is he going to get in June vs now? As above I can't imagine we've needlessly lowballed him. We'll be well aware of his market value, value to us and number of suitors.

For mine his manager or Ben himself pushing things out is still an indication he's entertaining offers rather than just trying to maximise his North deal.

 

[roos_fanatic08]

I don’t want to lose him. But… I’m warming to either scenario tbh. 3x picks in the top 10 of the super draft (2x likely top 5), is club changing,

Granted it’ll put us back a couple years and mean we need another KPD.

Worst case he leaves:
Out: McKay
In: Curtin, Watson, Caddy

I reiterate, I want him to stay. But I don’t actually don’t believe it’s going to be end of the world.

Would take Curtin 3/4 years to get up to McKay’s level. I love the draft more than most, but retaining McKay is absolutely critical to us moving forward. He is worth far more to us than a top 5 draft pick. We already have plenty of draft capital this year.

One that’s not on that list coming out of contract that I’d be all over is Lachie Ash.
Would thrive in a Clarkson coached team with his foot skills.

I’d hope we’d be in his ear. Has some serious wheels too which we lack.

 

[DesertRoo]

I see this logic around a bit as it was floated for justifying for JHF deferring talks last year too.

But I'd guess that more high quality players sign early than drag out their contracts talks only to re-sign later?

How much more is he going to get in June vs now? As above I can't imagine we've needlessly lowballed him. We'll be well aware of his market value, value to us and number of suitors.

For mine his manager or Ben himself pushing things out is still an indication he's entertaining offers rather than just trying to maximise his North deal.

Ben’s case, I think it really is to do with how we play, no improvement and he’ll be out the door.

 

[Passmore]

I see this logic around a bit as it was floated for justifying for JHF deferring talks last year too.

But I'd guess that more high quality players sign early than drag out their contracts talks only to re-sign later?

How much more is he going to get in June vs now? As above I can't imagine we've needlessly lowballed him. We'll be well aware of his market value, value to us and number of suitors.

For mine his manager or Ben himself pushing things out is still an indication he's entertaining offers rather than just trying to maximise his North deal.

From Viney’s interview, 7-44-1 would be on Ben’s mind more than $$$. He’ll get paid wherever ends up.

 

[King Corey]

From Viney’s interview, 7-44-1 would be on Ben’s mind more than $$$. He’ll get paid wherever ends up.

That concerns me a bit though. You're a leader at the club, the win-loss is something you can share in taking responsibility for.

I'm just a bit old school on this, can't imagine players like Robert Harvey, Paul Kelly or Anthony Stevens deferring contract talks to see if their club is meeting their KPIs.

 

[Kangaroos techno]

From Viney’s interview, 7-44-1 would be on Ben’s mind more than $$$. He’ll get paid wherever ends up.

That's how i took it too. He wants some positivity on the field and to see we are heading in the right direction. If he sees that things will become clearer. The lure of working from the ground up and achieving something together could have a massive pull. Fingers crossed.

For the Arsenal fans among us it's the same with Saka and now Saliba signing on. Saliba could go anywhere and demand a lot of coin. Problem is McKay is a little older so would have less patience. Here's hoping North turn it around like Arsenal have.

 

[roos_fanatic08]

That concerns me a bit though. You're a leader at the club, the win-loss is something you can share in taking responsibility for.

I'm just a bit old school on this, can't imagine players like Robert Harvey, Paul Kelly or Anthony Stevens deferring contract talks to see if their club is meeting their KPIs.

I reckon McKay has shown a commitment to the club by putting his hand up for the leadership role. That’s a big tick for me. If he had of declined a leadership role that might’ve given an indication that he was looking elsewhere.

Every manager under the sun who had McKay as their client would be advising him to put it on hold so you can show some form an add a few extra $ to your contract. Additionally we have been a basket case so it’s in Ben’s best interest to see how we are tracking and to see if we show some improvement.

If he puts contract talks on hold until the end of the year, then you know there is something else out there that’s sparking his interest.

 

[Passmore]

That concerns me a bit though. You're a leader at the club, the win-loss is something you can share in taking responsibility for.

I'm just a bit old school on this, can't imagine players like Robert Harvey, Paul Kelly or Anthony Stevens deferring contract talks to see if their club is meeting their KPIs.

Certainly a fair viewpoint.

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[zoomba23]

I reckon McKay has shown a commitment to the club by putting his hand up for the leadership role. That’s a big tick for me. If he had of declined a leadership role that might’ve given an indication that he was looking elsewhere.

He was voted in though. If you were voted into a leadership role, you'd just about accept it no matter what, because to refuse would basically say to your teammates that you don't really give a shit. It'd be a terrible look if he refused and I think the fact that he's in the leadership group doesn't suggest anything one way or another

 

[roos_fanatic08]

He was voted in though. If you were voted into a leadership role, you'd just about accept it no matter what, because to refuse would basically say to your teammates that you don't really give a s**t. It'd be a terrible look if he refused and I think the fact that he's in the leadership group doesn't suggest anything one way or another

If you aren’t a natural leader (like LDU, or Cunners was earlier in his career) you don’t take on those roles. Plenty of players across the league chose not to take on those leadership roles because they feel they aren’t suited even if they are a popular choice around the club.

I personally still think it’s a tick that he took on the role.

 

[giantroo]

 

[The Nostradamus]

good less money for lachie ash

 

[New_Roo]

That's how i took it too. He wants some positivity on the field and to see we are heading in the right direction. If he sees that things will become clearer. The lure of working from the ground up and achieving something together could have a massive pull. Fingers crossed.

For the Arsenal fans among us it's the same with Saka and now Saliba signing on. Saliba could go anywhere and demand a lot of coin. Problem is McKay is a little older so would have less patience. Here's hoping North turn it around like Arsenal have.

Turn it around???? haven't won anything yet!


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[shinboner magic]

That's how i took it too. He wants some positivity on the field and to see we are heading in the right direction. If he sees that things will become clearer. The lure of working from the ground up and achieving something together could have a massive pull. Fingers crossed.

For the Arsenal fans among us it's the same with Saka and now Saliba signing on. Saliba could go anywhere and demand a lot of coin. Problem is McKay is a little older so would have less patience. Here's hoping North turn it around like Arsenal have.

No one likes arsenal

 

[Tas]

He had an interrupted year last year but still managed to lead the AFL for intercept marks, the most sought after commodity. This was after 3 concussions, constant floggings and even a stint as a forward.

You also have to take into account that the ball just kept getting hacked out of our defensive 50 and came straight back in so the ball lived in our defensive half and he got a lot more opportunities to intercept mark. We were -19.1 I50 differential for 2022, Geelong was +12.8. We were +11.4 R50 differential, Cats where -7.9

So we had +252 rebounds vs the teams we played and Geelong had -197, we also had -421 Inside 50s vs the teams we played vs Geelong +319.

If anything, this would make you value our forward stats higher and our defensive stats less and value Geelong's forward stats less. Our defenders had way more opportunity to pad stats because the ball was in there so often. Statistically speaking, even Walker had great stats compared to a lot of defenders, it didn't make him a better defender. It was just coming in so often.

It would be negligent for his manager to advise him to sign now when he could potentially go from a $800k deal for 5 years to $1mil for 7 years with a strong start to the year and Logue providing support he never had, which will only increase his capacity to intercept?

There are pros and cons, Ben could put off contract discussion and hit a shit vein of form, could do his knee, etc. He wont have any problems getting a deal but Ben Brown held off for a better deal, that didn't pan out well financially. On the plus side, he ended up somewhere which won a flag.

If Harry got 7 years, you’d think Ben is worth the same?

I think key forwards are more valuable, he wouldn't get as lucrative a contract imo, would he get the length? Possibly but I think the longer it is the more he will have to sacrifice in terms of dollars, a long contract puts a heavy burden on a club and imo it sends the wrong message to me. It is great to have loyalty but you can re-sign every year on a 1 year deal and still be loyal. I am not sure how many players that have been put on long-term deals peaked in performance afterwards, it feels like it would be staggeringly low.

If he doesn't have confidence in himself that he will be playing good footy in 4 years time that will get him another good 3 year contract, do you want to give that player 7 years? I really like Ben and hope he stays, but I don't want us to do a shit deal and for Ben to coast afterwards. If he isn't committed then pump his tyres up and try to get a band 1 compo, say we are going to match anything short of 1mil, do something dodgy like Brisbane and Essendon did.

I think the concern for Ben is if we keep bringing in A grade talent, the money isn't going to be there for a good deal in 4 years time. If that is the case then giving Ben a premium contract now might mean we wont be able to hold on to talented players later on. A lot depends on how much we have in the war fund and how much of his contract we could bring forward whilst a lot of the kids are on their 1st or 2nd contracts.

Yes, this is high risk but unfortunately what his worth in the open market would attract?

I think opposition clubs would have the same reservations that we do, that outside the intercepting and spoiling he doesn't do enough to make the AA squad. I am guessing it is why Ben wants to put off talks and play. If he can do more of what he hasn't been doing, it would significantly elevate his worth.

 

[shinboner magic]

Clarko payed overs to get Gibbo,Frawley then lake to shore up his defence

 

[giantroo]

 

[Agenda 21]

Clarko payed overs to get Gibbo,Frawley then lake to shore up his defence

Lake and shore, in the same sentence. Not bad.

Where's Kris Shore at, these days? I had high hopes, for that kid. That all changed when I called his bluff playing poker at crown, one night.

 

[Kangaroos techno]

Turn it around???? haven't won anything yet!


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Didn't say they had. But the perception of improvement was enough and i hope a few wins for North gives hope to McKay too.

 

[Johnny99]

The old Geelong salary cap playbook?

We would have to throw in our first as well if he went to Geelong...

 

[Samsquanch]

Lake and shore, in the same sentence. Not bad.

Wasn't Rivers available?

Sea what I did there?

 

[Agenda 21]

Wasn't Rivers available?

Sea what I did there?

Settle down, mussels.

 

[Lomas]

Settle down, mussels.

Are you telling him to clam up?

 

[Lomas]

Wasn't Rivers available?

Sea what I did there?

Don't go chasing waterfalls.

 

[shinboner magic]

Wasn't Rivers available?

Sea what I did there?

Sandy Roberts was calling the action