List Mgmt. 2023 Trade & List Management Thread

[King Corey]

Edit: will update if ppl happy for this to sticky

Ok starting the hit list of names mentioned in any rumour as linked to us for 2023 trade period.

• Mac Andrew
• Hunter Clark
• Zac Fisher
• Sam Flanders
• Mitch Georgiades
• Liam Henry
• Dougal Howard
• Lewis Melican
• Jack Silvagni
• Dylan Stephens
• Adam Tomlinson

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

No thanks

Mahony version 2 except got to play in a good side and reap rewards

Just get the wiz watto

He is wayyyyy better than Mahony.


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[chickenonachain]

He is wayyyyy better than Mahony.


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I’m better than Mahoney!

 

[krakouers]

Summary of trade news from The West... featuring Darcy, Henry and pick 1 trades.

Thought it might be relevant given someone said Darcy had dined with Clarko a while back, he's obviously keen on Henry, and it seems to reinforce that 2+16 for 1 is a serious possibility.

Spoiler: Peter Sumich: Fremantle Dockers must avoid losing Sean Darcy to free agency if they can’t lock down ruckman

Fremantle ruckman Sean Darcy could be on the trade table in October, with the 25-year-old stalling discussions to commit beyond his existing contract.

Dockers powerbrokers are determined to avoid Darcy, who is contracted until the end of 2024, heading into free agency next year and closer to a departure to continue his career back in his home state of Victoria.

Apparently, there is a new offer to the 2021 Doig medallist of about $800,000 a year - well under Luke Jackson’s contract numbers.

EGO will play a part in Darcy deciding to stay or go.

Darcy will be a restricted free agent and will attract whopping deals well over anything he is currently on at Fremantle.
Despite his injury troubles from his heavy workload and bash and crash ruck style, Darcy is tipped to be in an earning range of about $1.2 million a season from as early as next year.

Dockers officials need some answers from Darcy and a commitment to his plans for next season.

With Darcy and his management not ready to consider Fremantle’s now tabled offer, it is fuelling fears that he could walk out next month and ask for a trade.

Fremantle authorities then have to weigh up holding him to the final season of his contract next year, believed to be worth about $650,000.

Losing Darcy this year has appealing benefit for Fremantle. He continues to be linked to Geelong in the Cats’ chase for a recognised lead ruckman.
Fremantle would command Geelong’s first-round pick that sits inside the top 10, probably a player and even another later draft selection for releasing Darcy while still in contract.

South Fremantle product Shannon Neale, 21, could be part of a swap for Darcy and slot into the Dockers list as back-up ruck to Luke Jackson.

The confirmation of Jackson as a stand-alone lead ruckman while Darcy was sidelined further complicates Fremantle’s dilemma with their two big men.

It seems Dockers heavy-hitters are understandably concerned at the prospect of Darcy playing out next season with uncertainty swirling around his future.

It would be a significant distraction in plans for a resurgence back into serious finals calculations. If Darcy reached restricted free agency, Fremantle must match the deal from his destination club of choice or lose him without any fair trade in return. The Dockers must avoid that outcome.

Jackson was undisputed best-afield in successive games last month against Brisbane and then should have won a Glendinning-Allan medal for his outstanding western derby performance.

Jackson, 21, is fully capable of carrying the Dockers’ on-ball brigade almost single-handedly, leaving Fremantle in a quandary.

Darcy’s departure this year would guarantee Fremantle a hefty bargaining chip to get a crucial early draft selection in return and then pursue classy emerging ruck talent Mitchell Edwards from affiliate club Peel Thunder.

Jackson leading Fremantle’s ruck with support from an improving Josh Treacy and Edwards or Neale developing in the wings is an ideal strategy for the immediate to longer-term.

The immediate future for Liam Henry also remains a mystery, with the 21-year-old considering offers in the region of $500,000 to $600,000 per season for as much as four or five years from at least three Melbourne-based clubs, with Essendon said to be front-runners and Hawthorn not far away.

Henry could also cross to West Coast through the pre-season draft as an uncontracted player.

West Coast midfielder Elliot Yeo could be one casualty in a reassessment of playing personnel.

It has emerged from inside the Eagles that the injury-prone Yeo is tradeable goods after careful consideration to the immediate futures of veteran pair Jack Darling and Andrew Gaff.

Even before a final decision on coach Adam Simpson, it seems Eagles powerbrokers had elected to drop any thoughts of trading out Darling or Gaff.

Yeo, 29, now appears firmly under review. He still has considerable trade currency despite making it into just 37 games of a possible 83 over his past four injury-savaged seasons.

His trade value for West Coast runs cold at the end of his current contract next year, when Yeo will be an unrestricted free agent and could walk to a club of his choice.

A fit and healthy Yeo with his proven aggression around contests should appeal to any outfit on the edge of premiership potential.

West Coast’s salary cap is significantly lighter for next year with the retirements of Shannon Hurn, Luke Shuey and Nic Naitanui to clear up around $1.5m.

If Yeo left, it could clear another $850,000 for the Eagles to adequately contribute to any deal for Melbourne’s Brodie Grundy.

West Coast are in a powerful recruiting position with the coveted first draft pick in November.

Debate will rage in the club’s list management circles over whether to take highly-touted midfielder Harley Reid or trade the first draft pick for up to three other first-round selections.

North Melbourne sit second in the national draft order and, like every club in the business, want Reid.

Hitting North with demands for their pick 2 as well as the pick they already have from Port Adelaide for Jason Horne-Francis, is not unreasonable from West Coast recruiters.

That would give Eagles picks at 2, about 16 and starting round two at 20 or so.

Those spots might snare highly-regarded Claremont running defender Dan Curtin and then a couple of gifted midfielder-forwards in Zane Duursma from country Victoria and Subiaco young gun Koltyn Throlstrup.

Now that a future commitment to more rebuilding is to be headed by Simpson, it’s time to sire up some aggressive recruiting and list management.

Peter Sumich could have his head checked for CTE… I’m actually serious

 

[see see]

I’m better than Mahoney!

No, I'm better than Mahony and so is my wife.

 

[speedy]

I will lose my shit if we give up a 1st round pick to move up from 2 to 1.

 

[krakouers]

No, I'm better than Mahony and so is my wife.

 

[FootySmartSimpson]

I will lose my s**t if we give up a 1st round pick to move up from 2 to 1.

It’s madness. We are in no position to be missing out on an Edwards, Wilson, A. Reid, Philactedes et al. When each could fill a position of need.

 

[4cunningTonneTruck]

If it was pick 2 and 16 for 1, I would want their pick 20 back

Ain't happening. Reid has far more value than Curtin. Pick 2 and 16 is fair for pick 1

 

[wazza03]

I will lose my s**t if we give up a 1st round pick to move up from 2 to 1.

Agree. All this because WC don’t want to be seen taking Curtin over Reid at pick 1. Why should we burn another first round pick in the 14-15 range to help them out?
We need to stand our ground and let them know that we’ll be taking Curtin with pick 2 or 3 if they don’t take him with 1. We need to get as many first rounders into the club as possible to fast track this rebuild.


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[justroyal]

Let’s change the narrative. Tell wc we really really want to upgrade to pick one so we can 100% lock Curtin in

 

[Sticksphat]

it's like kaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayne in your forward liiiiine

Re-rookieeeeeed, when we already called time..

 

[justroyal]

Re-rookieeeeeed, when we already called time..

And who would've thought, he could get any shiterrrrrr

 

[fusion]

Let’s change the narrative. Tell wc we really really want to upgrade to pick one so we can 100% lock Curtin in

We shouldn't be wasting first round picks. Of the Eagles want Curtin, they can pick him at #1. If they pick Reid, that's OK too - it's their decision to make, and we shouldn't be too generous in an offer to move up one position.

I don't think we've traded well for the deals we did with Melbourne where they got Pickett, the CCJ trade, the Ben Brown trade etc. We did ok getting any picks for Wells, Higgins (and Tarrant was cooked). Need to be more ruthless at the trade table. I don't even think we got adequate value for JHF.

 

[krakouers]

Getting Spargo out of Melbourne after playing 96 games would be ironic......... dont you think?

it's like kaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayne in your forward liiiiine

And who would've thought, he could get any shiterrrrrr

Re-rookieeeeeed, when we already called time..

100% prefer the new lyrics…

 

[Shinboner1]

Agree. All this because WC don’t want to be seen taking Curtin over Reid at pick 1. Why should we burn another first round pick in the 14-15 range to help them out?
We need to stand our ground and let them know that we’ll be taking Curtin with pick 2 or 3 if they don’t take him with 1. We need to get as many first rounders into the club as possible to fast track this rebuild.


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Depends on what we're getting in terms of assistance.

 

[rm3504]

I will lose my s**t if we give up a 1st round pick to move up from 2 to 1.

I’m fine with it if u think taking Curtin at 2 is a better option
In 2 contracts time eagles and dockers will be doing better and he’ll be gone

 

[rm3504]

Agree. All this because WC don’t want to be seen taking Curtin over Reid at pick 1. Why should we burn another first round pick in the 14-15 range to help them out?
We need to stand our ground and let them know that we’ll be taking Curtin with pick 2 or 3 if they don’t take him with 1. We need to get as many first rounders into the club as possible to fast track this rebuild.


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Eagles have more chance of keeping Reid long term than we do keeping Curtin imo
U risk having a top 2 pick leave when about to contend all for keeping a spec pick 16 which is no guarantee

 

[pupstar]

We shouldn't be wasting first round picks. Of the Eagles want Curtin, they can pick him at #1. If they pick Reid, that's OK too - it's their decision to make, and we shouldn't be too generous in an offer to move up one position.

I don't think we've traded well for the deals we did with Melbourne where they got Pickett, the CCJ trade, the Ben Brown trade etc. We did ok getting any picks for Wells, Higgins (and Tarrant was cooked). Need to be more ruthless at the trade table. I don't even think we got adequate value for JHF.

Totally agree we didn't get enough for Jason.

 

[chickenonachain]

Totally agree we didn't get enough for Jason.

I’m trying to remember what did we get for him? Was it pick 3 and pa future first or was something else thrown in?

 

[The Filth Wizard]

The winds have changed on how we receive Sanders if it happens and matching bids means 16 won’t even exist come draft night.

If we managed to get Reid with 2 and that late first rounder it would be the steal of the draft yet some fans are still going to think they were personally robbed.

 

[Masked Avenger]

Agree. All this because WC don’t want to be seen taking Curtin over Reid at pick 1. Why should we burn another first round pick in the 14-15 range to help them out?
We need to stand our ground and let them know that we’ll be taking Curtin with pick 2 or 3 if they don’t take him with 1. We need to get as many first rounders into the club as possible to fast track this rebuild.


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Standing our ground and learning the art of negotiation might help.

Showing some spine and giving the clear impression we couldn't care less what they want let alone what they think, is a good start.


If WC want to pass up an elite local for an elite interstater who's made it known he doesn't want to venture west - we smile, doff our hat and quietly leave the room.

If Zac Fisher's manager says he ain't moving without 5 years, we tell him that his lad can enjoy playing VFL for the next 2 years before smiling, doffing our hat and quietly leaving the room.

If Dodo fails to part with his first rounder, his future first rounder, his second born grandchild and offer his immediate resignation from the industry for TT, we smile, we doff our hat and we quietly leave the room.

They'll soon catch on.

 

[pupstar]

I’m trying to remember what did we get for him? Was it pick 3 and pa future first or was something else thrown in?

Yep that's what we got.

 

[shinboner magic]

Standing our ground and learning the art of negotiation might help.

Showing some spine and giving the clear impression we couldn't care less what they want let alone what they think is a good start.


If WC want to pass up an elite local for an elite interstater who's made it known he doesn't want to venture west - we smile, doff our hat and quietly leave the room.

If Zac Fisher's manager says he ain't moving without 5 years, we tell him that his lad can enjoy playing VFL for the next 2 years before smiling, doffing our hat and quietly leaving the room.

If Dodo fails to part with his first rounder, his future first rounder, his second born grandchild and offer his immediate resignation from the industry for TT, we smile, we doff our hat and we quietly leave the room.

They'll soon catch on.

Why in gods name would you want dodo to resign

 

[pupstar]

Standing our ground and learning the art of negotiation might help.

Showing some spine and giving the clear impression we couldn't care less what they want let alone what they think is a good start.


If WC want to pass up an elite local for an elite interstater who's made it known he doesn't want to venture west - we smile, doff our hat and quietly leave the room.

If Zac Fisher's manager says he ain't moving without 5 years, we tell him that his lad can enjoy playing VFL for the next 2 years before smiling, doffing our hat and quietly leaving the room.

If Dodo fails to part with his first rounder, his future first rounder, his second born grandchild and offer his immediate resignation from the industry for TT, we smile, we doff our hat and we quietly leave the room.

They'll soon catch on.

When are you applying for our recruitment job. Well said and said with a touch of class to boot well done.

 

[chickenonachain]

Yep that's what we got.

So if we go by that pick 2 and pa pick is about right if we want the number 1 pick. I still say let west coast take whoever they want Curtain or Reid then we take the other simples