List Mgmt. 2023 Trade & List Management Thread

[King Corey]

Edit: will update if ppl happy for this to sticky

Ok starting the hit list of names mentioned in any rumour as linked to us for 2023 trade period.

• Mac Andrew
• Hunter Clark
• Zac Fisher
• Sam Flanders
• Mitch Georgiades
• Liam Henry
• Dougal Howard
• Lewis Melican
• Jack Silvagni
• Dylan Stephens
• Adam Tomlinson

 

[Makeshift Park]

Yes. Not a great outcome.

Yeah, you’re right that Clarko must be cooking up something because I don’t see how we match a bid for Sanders AND get those Stephens, Melican and Fisher deals done, unless we’re planning on a significant 2024 deficit.

I wonder if we get similar picks to the ones we got for Logue and Tucker last year again.

If it was only those three players we’re looking at trading in, that would just about make up the difference.

Or alternatively… maybe a Haynes salary dump gets us a couple picks?

 

[The Filth Wizard]

That is very interesting. If it pans out that way then I’m not sure how we get the points for Sanders without pick 16. As a top 8 pick, we would need @1500-2000 points and we have no pick 16 and no second rounders, so our total points are only @1000 points. We either need to hang on to 16, trade someone of value and/or get a second rounder back from WC.

CCJ trade is the gift that keeps on giving.

It’s a big if we even get access to him but if forced to match surely we’d get the academy discount and it’s not difficult to throw picks around when we need to. Not sure the reference to CCJ as that was last years draft but if anything it shows how easy it was to bring in a second rounder when we wanted to draft Sausage. Still a lot to play out and picks are tradeable in the draft, teams always have back up plans on the night depending on where the bid falls.

 

[The Filth Wizard]

Yeah, you’re right that Clarko must be cooking up something because I don’t see how we match a bid for Sanders AND get those Stephens, Melican and Fisher deals done, unless we’re planning on a significant 2024 deficit.

I wonder if we get similar picks to the ones we got for Logue and Tucker last year again.

If it was only those three players we’re looking at trading in, that would just about make up the difference.

Or alternatively… maybe a Haynes salary dump gets us a couple picks?

Your second sentence is the bingo.

Fisher will be a list/cap dump. Melican is a FA so will either be a token late or DFA. Stephens has a little more value but is manageable if he forces a move.

 

[DocSholl]

Stephens is out of contract and we have pick 2 in the PSD so it would be impressive if we managed to overpay there.

 

[Makeshift Park]

Your second sentence is the bingo.

Fisher will be a list/cap dump. Melican is a FA so will either be a token late or DFA. Stephens has a little more value but is manageable if he forces a move.

So in that case, the draft assistance would essentially be NGA rights for Sanders, and picks that follow after our second and third rounders in 2024 that must be traded for experience.

(Maybe rookie list stays extended, maybe not)

I’d have that second round pp valued closer to Liam Henry than I would Dylan Stephens.

When you say Fisher is a cap dump, we’re not actually expecting getting anything significant back, are we? We’d be just getting it done for steak knives, yeah?

 

[The Filth Wizard]

So in that case, the draft assistance would essentially be NGA rights for Sanders, and picks that follow after our second and third rounders in 2024 that must be traded for experience.

(Maybe rookie list stays extended, maybe not)

I’d have that second round pp valued closer to Liam Henry than I would Dylan Stephens.

When you say Fisher is a cap dump, we’re not actually expecting getting anything significant back, are we? We’d be just getting it done for steak knives, yeah?

My guess would be a cheap trade. Relative to the Stepho deal, Fisher didn’t get a rising star two years ago so shift back accordingly. Theoretically he’s warming Zac Williams spot.

 

[krakouers]

Why in gods name would you want dodo to resign

I want the media to keep building him up
Long live Doro at * !

 

[Zondor]

If Reid is not available at pick 2, we’re taking Curtin with it, 100% guaranteed!

Don’t over think it…

Finally your mate is learning. I dare you to give me a thumbs down now. :stern look

 

[Makeshift Park]

My guess would be a cheap trade. Relative to the Stepho deal, Fisher didn’t get a rising star two years ago so shift back accordingly. Theoretically he’s warming Zac Williams spot.

Sounds good.

The picture you're painting suggests the sequence of events goes something like:

Final week of September: Commission gives us 2nd, 3rd rounders, and NGA rights for Sanders

October: trade our new priority picks for Stephens, Fisher and Melican, or thereabouts

Mckay says he'll exercise his F/A rights to go where ever.

Nov: Our picks 2 + 16 are traded to WC for 1

Pick 1 - Reid goes to North
Pick 2 - Curtin goes to WC
Pick 3 - North select ? (Watson?)

Somewhere around Pick 7-10 - North match bid for Sanders with all remaining draft picks.

Hmm. Playing our draft hand this way brings in some killer talent, but it makes it challenging insofar as our dearth of talls go though.

If anything it reinforces how much I'd like to get our hands on that GC pick.

Failing that, trading a future second back into this draft for a Murphy / A Reid / Shoenmaker type.

 

[Passmore]

The winds have changed on how we receive Sanders if it happens and matching bids means 16 won’t even exist come draft night.

If we managed to get Reid with 2 and that late first rounder it would be the steal of the draft yet some fans are still going to think they were personally robbed.

That'd be a bargain if we could pull that off. You wouldn't even think twice.

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[Zondor]

I can see it now. Fisher, Melican and Stephens in and Thomas and McKay out. And some of you clowns will polish that turd 69 ways to Sunday as to how our side has been bolstered in the off season. :stern look

 

[Deleted member 98541]

Sounds good.

The picture you're painting suggests the sequence of events goes something like:

Final week of September: Commission gives us 2nd, 3rd rounders, and NGA rights for Sanders

October: trade our new priority picks for Stephens, Fisher and Melican, or thereabouts

Mckay says he'll exercise his F/A rights to go where ever.

Nov: Our picks 2 + 16 are traded to WC for 1

Pick 1 - Reid goes to North
Pick 2 - Curtin goes to WC
Pick 3 - North select ? (Watson?)

Somewhere around Pick 7-10 - North match bid for Sanders with all remaining draft picks.

Hmm. Playing our draft hand this way brings in some killer talent, but it makes it challenging insofar as our dearth of talls go though.

If anything it reinforces how much I'd like to get our hands on that GC pick.

Failing that, trading a future second back into this draft for a Murphy / A Reid / Shoenmaker type.

This is why using points for Sanders is a hindrance more than anything. Completely takes away the ability to draft tall outside of using 2 or 3.

 

[Daniltchenko You Beauty]

I can see it now. Fisher, Melican and Stephens in and Thomas and McKay out. And some of you clowns will polish that turd 69 ways to Sunday as to how our side has been bolstered in the off season. :stern look

Conveniently leaving out the two top three picks we'll bring in plus whatever for Thomas but righto

 

[kool kangas]

Final week of September: Commission gives us 2nd, 3rd rounders, and NGA rights for Sanders
October: trade our new priority picks for Stephens, Fisher and Melican, or thereabouts
Mckay says he'll exercise his F/A rights to go where ever.
Nov: Our picks 2 + 16 are traded to WC for 1
Pick 1 - Reid goes to North
Pick 2 - Curtin goes to WC
Pick 3 - North select ? (Watson?)
Somewhere around Pick 7-10 - North match bid for Sanders with all remaining draft picks.
Hmm. Playing our draft hand this way brings in some killer talent, but it makes it challenging insofar as our dearth of talls go though.

If anything it reinforces how much I'd like to get our hands on that GC pick.

Failing that, trading a future second back into this draft for a Murphy / A Reid / Shoenmaker type.

This is the part that l think we need to get involved with...getting GC first round pick...

 

[4cunningTonneTruck]

The melts on here when we trade pick 2 and ports pick for pick 1.

We are known to be heavily invested in Reid as our number 1 player. No one knows if Curtin is even in our top 4. He's a marquee player bigger than Judas. He will be such a good business deal for the club, brining attention similar (but on a smaller scale) to Victor Wembanyama (or whatever his name is) to Spurs.

Depending on how port go, that Port pick could get pushed into 20s after 3 GC academy and Bulldogs F/S. A pick around 20 is such a lucky dip. Not to mention that pick may be eaten by having to match for Sanders.

Pick 2 and ports pick is completely worth it for Harley Reid. The WCE fans will be having a melt if that's all they get for him.

 

[justroyal]

Could gc be like, we’re not in the business of making other teams better, so instead of trading it, we’ll use pick 4 to match on our players?

 

[travelli]

If Reid is not available at pick 2, we’re taking Curtin with it, 100% guaranteed!

Don’t over think it…

And Curtin better suits our needs

 

[Deleted member 98541]

Could gc be like, we’re not in the business of making other teams better, so instead of trading it, we’ll use pick 4 to match on our players?

It's how the rules should be.

 

[pupstar]

Could gc be like, we’re not in the business of making other teams better, so instead of trading it, we’ll use pick 4 to match on our players?

Yes i have been wondering that myself.

 

[FootySmartSimpson]

How are we going to do that if we can match bid on Sanders? He will likely get a high bid.

We have no guarantees with the AFL’s Cloke and dagger, behind closed doors bull-shit.

I agree, if bidding is the go, trade away, but for either a ‘23 or ‘24 better draft hand. Don’t squander it on a single pick upgrade.

 

[Only Forwards]

I can see it now. Fisher, Melican and Stephens in and Thomas and McKay out. And some of you clowns will polish that turd 69 ways to Sunday as to how our side has been bolstered in the off season. :stern look

But this would only be half a picture.

We wouldn’t be giving up McKay and Thomas to pay for Fisher, Pelican, and Stephens in.

It would have to be mid to late range picks out for those players.

High range picks in for Thomas and McKay.

just looking at those players out for those players in it’s a significant loss to us.

It’d have to be more balanced than that.

 

[Firebat]

Does anyone on this board have any inside word if North is making enquires for Nick Haynes

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Nick Haynes

Age

32

Ht

192cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Def

Career

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Last 5

D

16.4

4star

K

11.4

4star

HB

4.9

4star

M

6.2

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

326.8

4star

D

17.4

4star

K

13.9

5star

HB

3.5

2star

M

8.0

5star

T

1.5

2star

MG

326.8

5star

D

7.8

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

3.4

3star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.2

4star

GWS? He would walk into our 22 and help our incoming Dan Curtain I would imagine, as well as bring in more draft capital.

 

[Deleted member 98541]

 

[FootySmartSimpson]

Yeah, you’re right that Clarko must be cooking up something because I don’t see how we match a bid for Sanders AND get those Stephens, Melican and Fisher deals done, unless we’re planning on a significant 2024 deficit.

I wonder if we get similar picks to the ones we got for Logue and Tucker last year again.

If it was only those three players we’re looking at trading in, that would just about make up the difference.

Or alternatively… maybe a Haynes salary dump gets us a couple picks?

At this point, I think the club will settle for NGA bidding and a start of 2nd and start of 3rd. With this and our native thirds, the club will get:

Stephens, Melican and Clarke/Fisher addressing:

KPD, HBF distributor and wing/outside run.

We will then bolster our already strong mids with Sanders, grab the match-winning utility in Reid and pick up a KPD to develop over the next few seasons.

 

[Makeshift Park]

This is why using points for Sanders is a hindrance more than anything. Completely takes away the ability to draft tall outside of using 2 or 3.

Yeah, and since WC would be taking Curtin in this scenario, its inconvenient there aren't any high end tall options until you get to Caddy and O'Sullivan at the very end of the top 10.

If we want to draft talls, we either need to go there, or around the end of the first round or the start of the second round where those other blokes I mentioned will probably go.

Which is another good reason why...

Nick Haynes GWS

... would help a fair bit. We could realistically get a 2nd and 3rd rounder at least from taking his salary.

Would be a good steady bridging type while we get our defence in order too.

Problem is, I don't know what kind of contract you can offer a bloke who turns 32 next year.