Ultimate Glory 2023 Trade speculation and Shinbeggars discussion

[DrAbs]

We get a top 15 talent in McCabe by bundling up a bunch of junk picks and some people want to let him walk elsewhere.

If you have the choice of McCabe or O'Sullivan as your KB, who're you taking?

Lose all the picks (including 14) for McCabe, or use Pick 14 on O'Sullivan.

Take him if you want but let's not oversell him as a top 10 pick and say the bombers are gonna take him

 

[Leather Poisoning]

All things considered - I would be open to splitting pick 4 for 6 and 11 but squeeze Melbourne to throw in a crazy future draft pick sweetener.

I think all in all clubs (well, fans and media) value future picks too low.

So many people would rather Melbourne's first pick this year rather than next year. As though it's literally twice as valuable.

But Melbourne finished top4 - worst case is that the pick is 2-3 places worse. Best case scenario is that it's like 6-8 places better.

I'm all about the future picks because at some points you'll have enough currency to nail an Elite player OR clean up a first round of a single draft in a big way.

 

[DrAbs]

Don’t make this a thing…USER=218696]DrAbs[/USER] was just following a train of thought And did not see the ramifications.

I don't see the ramifications of taking O'Sullivan over McCabe.

These are the same people who said take O'Sullivan at Pick 7 btw. Now they'd take McCabe over him

Make up your mind mate

 

[DrAbs]

I still don’t understand how shinbeggars don’t take curtain and duursma/Watson. Which leaves Mckercher to us. I only saw him play once but he was special that day against vic country.

They'll just take the two best available. Or at least who they think they are. And so far McKercher is rated more than Curtin, so they should take him. Doubt they'd take Watson at Pick 3 or 4.

 

[DrAbs]

Surely having McCabe makes it less likely we downgrade pick 4

Worst part of pick 4 is it’s our earliest for 20 years and hopefully another 20. A lot of focus on it

Fair point.

Still a lot to play out before it's Pick 4(5). Not every selection (including top 10) will be a good one in the long term.

Past Pick 5s:

2022 - E. Tsatas
2021 - M. Andrew
2020 - B. Campbell
2019 - D. Stephens
2018 - C. Rozee
2017 - A. Cerra
2016 - W. Setterfield
2015 - D. Parish
2014 - J. De Goey
2013 - K. Kolodjashnij
2012 - J. Stringer

Looking at these players, clearly not all of them work out so well. I think Rozee, Cerra, Parish, De Goey have been stars but then you get someone like Stephens who's now at another club and not so well rated. You just never know who the player could end up being..

 

[DrAbs]

All things considered - I would be open to splitting pick 4 for 6 and 11 but squeeze Melbourne to throw in a crazy future draft pick sweetener.

I think all in all clubs (well, fans and media) value future picks too low.

So many people would rather Melbourne's first pick this year rather than next year. As though it's literally twice as valuable.

But Melbourne finished top4 - worst case is that the pick is 2-3 places worse. Best case scenario is that it's like 6-8 places better.

I'm all about the future picks because at some points you'll have enough currency to nail an Elite player OR clean up a first round of a single draft in a big way.

6 + 11 + F1 seems overs?
Would 6 + 11 + F2 be enough?

 

[DannyJ]

6 + 11 + F1 seems overs?
Would 6 + 11 + F2 be enough?

Better not be

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[PAOKTSIS]

I think we shouldn’t be too cute with our selection.

If available, we take Wiz at pick 4 IMO.

Ginnivan and Wiz in the same forward line will be epic. The excitement and goals from these kids will remind us of the Cyril/Puopolo days Just imagine 10+ years of this!

*this is assuming we don’t miraculously get pick 1


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[Suntory Boss Coffee]

Fair point.

Still a lot to play out before it's Pick 4(5). Not every selection (including top 10) will be a good one in the long term.

Past Pick 5s:

2022 - E. Tsatas
2021 - M. Andrew
2020 - B. Campbell
2019 - D. Stephens
2018 - C. Rozee
2017 - A. Cerra
2016 - W. Setterfield
2015 - D. Parish
2014 - J. De Goey
2013 - K. Kolodjashnij
2012 - J. Stringer

Looking at these players, clearly not all of them work out so well. I think Rozee, Cerra, Parish, De Goey have been stars but then you get someone like Stephens who's now at another club and not so well rated. You just never know who the player could end up being..

This exercise is pointless. You may have well just put everyone else who was available after pick 5 in every year as well. Because that's what pick 5 represents, first dibs on all those players.

 

[CaptainWorpedo]

Surely having McCabe makes it less likely we downgrade pick 4

Worst part of pick 4 is it’s our earliest for 20 years and hopefully another 20. A lot of focus on it

Based on Gowers press conferences our preference is to take 4 or climb up the ladder to 1#

 

[CaptainWorpedo]

He’s already stated we have zero interest in TJ

We would not state other wise publicly anyway

 

[CaptainWorpedo]

Surely Toby McLean is where we should focus our DFA pick. Good player can fill that forward pressure role would be keen for the opportunity.

Yeah Forward / Wing depth, very unlucky tbh. Could break in best 22. We need another KO defender As well.

 

[CaptainWorpedo]

With our new addition via trade and the draftees are coming soon, I am pump for 2024.

We may not dominate, but we’re going to be in a lot of games until the dying minutes.

You can feel the buzz via CJ instagram post directed at Ginni.

Roll on season 2024

 

[Dewnior]

He’s already stated we have zero interest in TJ

 

[DrAbs]

Better not be

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How likely will the Demons be to give up both 6 & 11 this year AND a F1? I don't see it happening on their part, unless they're trading those for Pick 1. They could just pick up Caddy at Pick 6 which will be big for them and then Wilson at Pick 11. Would be better for them than just Watson/Curtin at Pick 4.

 

[DrAbs]

This exercise is pointless. You may have well just put everyone else who was available after pick 5 in every year as well. Because that's what pick 5 represents, first dibs on all those players.

That's the whole point lol?

The point is there's better players after Pick 5, yet they don't get selected at Pick 5 because you just never know how things will turn out in the end.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that I've listed 10 years of Pick 5s there, and only about 4 of them have worked out in the end. So it's not so much about the number because it could very well be hit or miss with Pick 5.

One could argue trading Pick 5 for Pick 7 + 14 would make it more likely to land a quality player than taking Pick 5 alone. It's a risk yes, but it will depend on other factors - such as what WCE & North do with the earlier picks.

 

[DrAbs]

With our new addition via trade and the drafees are coming soon, I am pump for 2024.

We may not dominate, but we’re going to be in a lot of games until the dying minutes.

You can fill the buzz via CJ instagram post directed at Ginni.

Roll on season 2024

100% agree.

It's already looking promising without the draft, and you know it when it's hard to fit everyone you want inside the best 22. The draft is just an exclamation mark for us.

 

[CliffMcTainshaw]

That's not exactly specific to things you snort. Alcohol has a GABAminergic effect on the brain as well, that's why it's a social lubricant in small doses - the problem is that people (like me) experience the opposite effect the next day after over-indulging in it. It does to GABA receptors, and therefore dopamine, what drugs like amphetamines do to serotonin.

I really don't mind what the players do as long as they show restraint, don't over indulge and - ideally - stay away from cameras.

I worked with a former player (from another club), he thought that increase in the use of recreational drugs was partly due to the effect alcohol had on skinfold tests.

 

[PenAndPaper]

This is a horrible argument.

We had no fit ruckman on the list apart from McEvoy who had back issues and a 20yr old Pittonett. Ceglar ACL. Rough cancer.

Henderson came to us as a halfback, a delisted one at that. We played him in position we thought he would excel at, and he did.

That's exactly my point. We needed Vickery and Henderson because we lacked depth in their positions at the time.

Sure, Vickery failed and Henderson was a success but Bonner is being suggested to come in when we already have serious depth in the area of the ground he's going to play.

So comparing Henderson coming in when we had little depth of running half backs to Bonner coming in when we have a plethora of them is disingenuous.

 

[VandoHawk]

6 + 11 + F1 seems overs?
Would 6 + 11 + F2 be enough?

6, 11 and F1 for 4, F2 (tied to Collingwood) is something I think the club would strongly consider.

Having said that I doubt Melbourne are that desperate.

 

[Cyril says]

100% agree.

It's already looking promising without the draft, and you know it when it's hard to fit everyone you want inside the best 22. The draft is just an exclamation mark for us.

It takes awhile for a group to gel - so we may have a slow start to the year.

I love that we made radical changes to the midfield in one go last year and the forward line this year.

Hopefully some of the young bodies in the backline have big offseasons.

 

[hardway]

6, 11 and F1 for 4, F2 (tied to Collingwood) is something I think the club would strongly consider.

Having said that I doubt Melbourne are that desperate.

Put up the same deal , yes it’s steep for a 2 pick upgrade but if they are desperate for a certain player they maybe willing.The future 1st gives us a little bit of insurance if McCabe gets bid on before pick 11. Pick 11 can be traded out on draft night if the bid comes before it.

 

[user33]

Surely Toby McLean is where we should focus our DFA pick. Good player can fill that forward pressure role would be keen for the opportunity.

No thank you. I have flash backs of him ducking his way to a bulldogs victory over us in the 2016 finals

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

That's exactly my point. We needed Vickery and Henderson because we lacked depth in their positions at the time.

Sure, Vickery failed and Henderson was a success but Bonner is being suggested to come in when we already have serious depth in the area of the ground he's going to play.

So comparing Henderson coming in when we had little depth of running half backs to Bonner coming in when we have a plethora of them is disingenuous.

I don’t think you even understand your own point.

Henderson came in and played wing after everyone was melting here that we didn’t need a delisted half back.

Literally the exact same thing is happening here, but with as yet no knowledge of where we think Bonner might play.

 

[Blackhawk42]

I worked with a former player (from another club), he thought that increase in the use of recreational drugs was partly due to the effect alcohol had on skinfold tests.

100% this at the elite level.

And the cost of alcohol is what currently drives the rest of society towards it.

I paid $30 for 2 beers served in plastic cups at a concert on Friday night.