Ultimate Glory 2023 Trade speculation and Shinbeggars discussion

[Platten44]

King gc pick 5

For pick 3, future 1 and our 28

That gets the deal done imo if Walter is not bid on before three

Trade period is before the draft, they won’t know where the bid will come during the trade period.

 

[Judd2Sewell]

With Wingard injured and Brockman likely gone I hope the Gresham rumours are true.

 

[matey]

Ben King

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Ben King

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24

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202cm

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98kg

Pos.

Fwd

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7.2

2star

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5.0

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2.2

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3.5

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1.3

5star

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7.5

2star

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5.6

2star

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1.9

1star

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3.6

4star

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0.3

1star

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1.5

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6.8

2star

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4.4

2star

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2.4

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3.2

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0.2

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1.0

4star

definitely fits our need and is consistent with what our footy GM has said that we will be aggressive in acquiring a key forward. I think he also said that this is the last year we will use our first so no way our pick 3 (our best pick since 2004!!!!!) and trade our future first with something else for King.

 

[VandoHawk]

Gresham FA to cover for Chad.
Pick 30 for Haynes + Pick 11.
11, Future First, 51 for King, 28.
Brockman for Liam Henry straight swap.
28 + Future Third to Brisbane for Lohmann + Future Third.

Ins:
Gresham
Haynes
King
Henry
Lohmann
Duursma (Pick 4)
McCabe (matched bid, deficit next year)

Last thing on the wish list would be an A-grade CHB but we can look to address that afterwards.

 

[Roby]

Every media person is suggesting Mckay to the Bombers is basically done.

Good. They'll be even worse next year.

 

[triple treat]

Trade period is before the draft, they won’t know where the bid will come during the trade period.

Hence why i think it'll take at least pick 2. I don't suspect GC will think Walter will be bid on at 1 with H. Reid there.
So how would we get pick 2?

 

[Platten44]

Hence why i think it'll take at least pick 2. I don't suspect GC will think Walter will be bid on at 1 with H. Reid there.
So how would we get pick 2?

We don’t

 

[bigmaxi]

I don’t claim to have any inside knowledge big fella. What I do know is most things you’ve said over the years do not come true.

I’m not looking to get into some s**t fight, just warning for those newer members to not get their hopes up for all the names being thrown around in here.

It’s the reason I come onto this site. I love it all, pease everyone make a post, have a crack, it’s fun to read it all.

 

[Billyc]

Hawthorn
OUT: Pick 3, Round 2 pick, 2024 First, Brockman
IN: Pick 5, Ben King

34

Ben King

Age

24

Ht

202cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.2

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

3.5

4star

T

0.5

3star

G

1.3

5star

D

7.5

2star

K

5.6

2star

HB

1.9

1star

M

3.6

4star

T

0.3

1star

G

1.5

5star

D

6.8

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

2.4

3star

M

3.2

4star

T

0.2

3star

G

1.0

4star

West Coast
OUT: Pick 1
IN: Pick 3, Hawthorn 2024 First, Brockman

Gold Coast
OUT: Ben King

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Ben King

Age

24

Ht

202cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.2

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

3.5

4star

T

0.5

3star

G

1.3

5star

D

7.5

2star

K

5.6

2star

HB

1.9

1star

M

3.6

4star

T

0.3

1star

G

1.5

5star

D

6.8

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

2.4

3star

M

3.2

4star

T

0.2

3star

G

1.0

4star

, Pick 5
IN: Pick 1, Round 2

GC may need more? Could additional pick swaps get there? Could players form part of it to get over the line ?

That would allow GC to get both Reid and Walter, for West Coast to get Curtin and Hawks still probably get one of Dursma or Watson

 

[perrdan86]

I think the big problem if we get McKay is we end up way too top heavy and will struggle when the balls on the ground in our defence or coming in quickly.

We have a lot of defenders that look great when the balls coming in high and slow. And McKay will add to that but not help us where we struggle which is when the ball is hitting the deck or the opposition mids get on top.

I agree

Hawthorn
OUT: Pick 3, Round 2 pick, 2024 First, Brockman
IN: Pick 5, Ben King

West Coast
OUT: Pick 1
IN: Pick 3, Hawthorn 2024 First, Brockman

Gold Coast
OUT: Ben King, Pick 5
IN: Pick 1, Round 2

GC may need more? Could additional pick swaps get there? Could players form part of it to get over the line ?

That would allow GC to get both Reid and Walter, for West Coast to get Curtin and Hawks still probably get one of Dursma or Watson

Geez GC with Reid, Walter and all that other talent. That would be exciting for them.

 

[daniel23]

Gresham FA to cover for Chad.
Pick 30 for Haynes + Pick 11.
11, Future First, 51 for King, 28.
Brockman for Liam Henry straight swap.
28 + Future Third to Brisbane for Lohmann + Future Third.

Ins:
Gresham
Haynes
King
Henry
Lohmann
Duursma (Pick 4)
McCabe (matched bid, deficit next year)

Last thing on the wish list would be an A-grade CHB but we can look to address that afterwards.

This would be the perfect outcome, that second 1st round pick would be the key to unlocking a king deal this year If he's interested.

We might have an A grade chb at pick 4 in Curtin

 

[Iva Bigun]

Only way we get King is we trade up to get pick 1 trade this to GC for King and hope to get pick 5 in return. For GC they get Walter and Reid and we get King and still first round player. Probably fanciful like us getting King this trade period

If and it’s a big IF Ben want to leave it’s news to the Suns as he has bought a house, his girlfriend lives up here with him and he has said many times he is happy at the Suns. Of course things change so I can’t pretend to know his mind.

As you have stated we would want pick 1 to ensure no bid on Walter and the only way of getting pick 4 with King as you have suggested would be to give us next years first as well and I’m not sure that would be enough as we would want some points in this draft if we gave up pick 4 to ensure we still had points for all our academy boys and there is no guarantee that you wouldn’t climb the ladder with King marking darts from Day

Interesting scenario

 

[hawkinoz]

Hawthorn
OUT: Pick 3, Round 2 pick, 2024 First, Brockman
IN: Pick 5, Ben King

West Coast
OUT: Pick 1
IN: Pick 3, Hawthorn 2024 First, Brockman

Gold Coast
OUT: Ben King, Pick 5
IN: Pick 1, Round 2

GC may need more? Could additional pick swaps get there? Could players form part of it to get over the line ?

That would allow GC to get both Reid and Walter, for West Coast to get Curtin and Hawks still probably get one of Dursma or Watson

Values King low and Suns won't do it.

If Suns keep hawks 2024 pick while Eagles get the Suns 2024 first, that is more of a chance. Maybe Suns throw in Sharp to Eagles as he is in their sights.

Hawks f1 will give the Suns a better chance of getting ahead of Academy bids for next yr( have good talent again, lucky ^%$#).

 

[Billyc]

Values King low and Suns won't do it.

If Suns keep hawks 2024 pick while Eagles get the Suns 2024 first, that is more of a chance. Maybe Suns throw in Sharp to Eagles as he is in their sights.

Hawks f1 will give the Suns a better chance of getting ahead of Academy bids for next yr( have good talent again, lucky ^%$#).

The challenge for Suns is that their pick 5 isn't much value to them as it will be eaten up. They need to move that. So if they can use that to somehow get hold of pick 1 and walk away with Reid and Walter, there's a lot of value in that for them. It would be a pretty incredible outcome to walk away with the top 2 kids in the draft (again). Agree they will probably want more for King. Question is whether other parts can make it happens with those core pieces in play. I thought it would be impossible, but can now see a way to get King and pick 5. If we could pull that off, it would be amazing.

Imagine off-season for Suns of signing Hardwick and then adding Harley Reid and Walter. Got to be very tempting for them if King genuinely wants out.

 

[sven_inc]

To be fair it's probably better for us in the long run to use pick 3, trade in another first rounder for our 2024 pick and hopefully snag another for a GWS salary dump.

King would make more sense as a free agent in 2 years based on our trajectory.

If we go hard now that's two first rounders used up in an instant.

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[RX Hawk]

We can in exchange for Pick 5 & F1 and a player for King.

With King, my proposed trade would be

Hawks Out/ Sun In - Pick 3, F1, 30 + CJ
Hawks In/ Sun Out - Pick 5, F2, King ( + Suns last 3 junk picks)

Once Suns have Pick 3, they can trade for Pick 2 or even 1 by adding a needed player. Say Sharp + 26 + 3 for Pick 1 or Flanders + 3 for Pick 2. So may have to be multi club trade to go through.

Earlier I had put up a case for CJ & Suns fans were wondering if he was on the table.

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PS : I liked CJ's brother Tew Jiath skills in the video posted, seemed a clone and would like to get him on list via late or rookie pick.

CJ is NOT going anywhere. Please don't even bring his name up.

 

[eldorado]

Arrr I agree but don’t say that to loud people in here.

I wouldn't even say it to the quiet people in here!

 

[Hawk the Talk]

If and it’s a big IF Ben want to leave it’s news to the Suns as he has bought a house, his girlfriend lives up here with him and he has said many times he is happy at the Suns. Of course things change so I can’t pretend to know his mind.

As you have stated we would want pick 1 to ensure no bid on Walter and the only way of getting pick 4 with King as you have suggested would be to give us next years first as well and I’m not sure that would be enough as we would want some points in this draft if we gave up pick 4 to ensure we still had points for all our academy boys and there is no guarantee that you wouldn’t climb the ladder with King marking darts from Day

Interesting scenario

Not saying he wants to leave but a player telling a club he’s happy probably doesn’t mean much without a long term contract… buying a house also means little.

I’d see the biggest thing keeping him could be the incoming coach selling him on future success.

 

[hawkinoz]

The challenge for Suns is that their pick 5 isn't much value to them as it will be eaten up. They need to move that. So if they can use that to somehow get hold of pick 1 and walk away with Reid and Walter, there's a lot of value in that for them. It would be a pretty incredible outcome to walk away with the top 2 kids in the draft (again). Agree they will probably want more for King. Question is whether other parts can make it happens with those core pieces in play. I thought it would be impossible, but can now see a way to get King and pick 5. If we could pull that off, it would be amazing.

Actually from all indications Eagles want to take Reid, so Pick 1 may never be on the table. If Suns have pick 2, they can dare Eagles to bid on Walter which would be unlikely.

So a 3 way trade with Norf may be better option
Hawthorn
OUT: Pick 3, Round 2 pick, 2024 First
IN: Pick 5, Ben King

North Melb
OUT: Pick 2, F2
IN: Pick 3, Sun 2024 First

Gold Coast
OUT: Ben King, Pick 5
IN: Pick 2, HAWKS Round 2 pick, Hawks 2024 First, Norf 2024 Second

but who would be Suns target at Pick 2? One of Curtain or McKercher and if that can be sorted with North, this deal can be done.

 

[kirbatron]

given the absolute debacles of Cogs, Lynch etc i'm blocking my ears Ben King

34

Ben King

Age

24

Ht

202cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.2

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

3.5

4star

T

0.5

3star

G

1.3

5star

D

7.5

2star

K

5.6

2star

HB

1.9

1star

M

3.6

4star

T

0.3

1star

G

1.5

5star

D

6.8

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

2.4

3star

M

3.2

4star

T

0.2

3star

G

1.0

4star

rumours

 

[Topiary]

Not saying he wants to leave but a player telling a club he’s happy probably doesn’t mean much without a long term contract… buying a house also means little.

I’d see the biggest thing keeping him could be the incoming coach selling him on future success.

I seriously do not understand.

 

[Hawkers Hero]

We could get creative and target GWS' future first in a salary dump. Trade that and our 2024 1st to the Suns.

Leave someone else to trade their f1 for pick 5

Something like;

GWS give - Haynes, F1
GWS get - salary cap, doggies 2nd this year

Hawks give - 2024 F1, Dogs 2nd
Hawks get - King, Haynes

GCS give - King
GCS get - GWS and Hawks 2024 1st

Depending on where you see the Hawks and GWS next year that is two picks 6 - 12 for King which would be the going rate. Maybe swap 3 and 5 this year as well.

 

[ahhhhhh]

given the absolute debacles of Cogs, Lynch etc i'm blocking my ears Ben King rumours

You know what I’m talking about Kirbatron

 

[Iva Bigun]

Hawthorn
OUT: Pick 3, Round 2 pick, 2024 First, Brockman
IN: Pick 5, Ben King

West Coast
OUT: Pick 1
IN: Pick 3, Hawthorn 2024 First, Brockman

Gold Coast
OUT: Ben King, Pick 5
IN: Pick 1, Round 2

GC may need more? Could additional pick swaps get there? Could players form part of it to get over the line ?

That would allow GC to get both Reid and Walter, for West Coast to get Curtin and Hawks still probably get one of Dursma or Watson

We will be getting the academy guys regardless so they shouldn’t come into any equation, basically the offer you are putting forward is pick 1 for King and Pick 4?

I think we could do something with pick 4 and extras directly with the Eagles and come out better off with King still in our pocket.

Not trying to piss anyone off here just trying to give a Suns perspective. Happy to bail if I’m intruding

 

[Back Pocket Rocket]

King will cost way too much and we are not ready for that kind of trade. I hope we have learnt not throwing our 1st rounders away over the last 7 years