Ultimate Glory 2023 Trade speculation and Shinbeggars discussion

[Flukey!]

Agreed. I think CaptainWorpedo nailed it yesterday with the Brad Scott connection but more so the final carrot will be that Dodo literally has a pre-printed cheque book that says ‘100k more per season than what Hawthorn offers’

Lots of pressure on Dodoro.
Either he gets the Dons a list soon that can challenge or his career is done.

There are no such pressures at the HFC so if it happens and they outbid us, it shouldnt be a surprise.

 

[Lickmesocks]

For everyone on here.

When you are a free agent your management needs to do the rounds to find you the best deal possible.

A player doesn’t test free agency and then interview with 1 club only.

For everyone suggesting Mckay is only looking for the best offer and we don’t need that is kidding themselves.

I know Karl Amon

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Karl Amon

Age

29

Ht

181cm

Wt

71kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.6

4star

K

9.7

4star

HB

6.8

4star

M

3.4

3star

T

2.6

4star

MG

294.5

4star

D

21.0

5star

K

15.0

5star

HB

6.0

3star

M

6.0

5star

T

2.0

3star

D

10.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

3.6

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

2.0

4star

MG

146.8

3star

met with multiple clubs last year.

This is just what happens.

Essendon have a 6 year deal on the table and a chance for Ben to play for his old coach again according to Ralphy. Sounds like a juicy option to me.

Hawks are having a swing at things which is great as we know how undermanned our backline is. Could Ben deal with being the number 1 defender for us?

Sydney have a way of getting these deals done. Smaller ground might suit his big frame.

North are sitting back laughing all the way to the compensation bank with 3 clubs falling over each other for his services.

If Hawthorn did nothing or wasn’t mentioned in every free agent chat we would be howled down as we have plenty of spare cash and everyone would want to know what we are doing.

I was told early on we are confident.
I was then told the goal posts had moved. Bombers 6 year deal perhaps?
I have recently been told we are still quietly confident .

So from all that his management has done a brilliant job keeping 3 clubs on the hook.

 

[rei154]

If we're after Duursma and Watson in the draft Breust would be invaluable from an education perspective. Would need to be at least one of their firsts and then some.

 

[Sixpence]

Lots of pressure on Dodoro.
Either he gets the Dons a list soon that can challenge or his career is done.

There are no such pressures at the HFC so if it happens and they outbid us, it shouldnt be a surprise.

He hasn't done that in over 20 years, don't think the pressure is going to start anytime soon.

 

[hawkheart]

I believe everybody’s heard about this.

 

[Lickmesocks]

He hasn't done that in over 20 years, don't think the pressure is going to start anytime soon.

When Dodo landed Shiel it gave him another 10 years grace.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

For everyone on here.

When you are a free agent your management needs to do the rounds to find you the best deal possible.

A player doesn’t test free agency and then interview with 1 club only.

For everyone suggesting Mckay is only looking for the best offer and we don’t need that is kidding themselves.

I know Karl Amon met with multiple clubs last year.

This is just what happens.

Essendon have a 6 year deal on the table and a chance for Ben to play for his old coach again according to Ralphy. Sounds like a juicy option to me.

Hawks are having a swing at things which is great as we know how undermanned our backline is. Could Ben deal with being the number 1 defender for us?

Sydney have a way of getting these deals done. Smaller ground might suit his big frame.

North are sitting back laughing all the way to the compensation bank with 3 clubs falling over each other for his services.

If Hawthorn did nothing or wasn’t mentioned in every free agent chat we would be howled down as we have plenty of spare cash and everyone would want to know what we are doing.

I was told early on we are confident.
I was then told the goal posts had moved. Bombers 6 year deal perhaps?
I have recently been told we are still quietly confident .

So from all that his management has done a brilliant job keeping 3 clubs on the hook.

Get out of here with your calm and rational logic! You have no place in this histrionic tra...I mean hypothetical trade thread!

 

[Mitchell Madness]

Do we really want a guy like McKay who appears to be shopping himself to the highest bidder? (And pretty transparently trying to get higher and higher offers). The fact we seem to still be engaging shows a bit of desperation. How can you get comfort the guys is bought in to culture/performance once he gets his payday?

Agree, partially.
We desperately need an in demand FA. It's not so much about this player. It's about in 2 to 3 years attracting others.
There's a reason the same clubs get the free agents. Their managers push them in a direction, and rightly or wrongly, that's because of money.
A couple of big plays now will attract players later

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

I reckon $tains have McKay

He doesn’t want to leave Melb

 

[bigmaxi]

For everyone on here.

When you are a free agent your management needs to do the rounds to find you the best deal possible.

A player doesn’t test free agency and then interview with 1 club only.

For everyone suggesting Mckay is only looking for the best offer and we don’t need that is kidding themselves.

I know Karl Amon met with multiple clubs last year.

This is just what happens.

Essendon have a 6 year deal on the table and a chance for Ben to play for his old coach again according to Ralphy. Sounds like a juicy option to me.

Hawks are having a swing at things which is great as we know how undermanned our backline is. Could Ben deal with being the number 1 defender for us?

Sydney have a way of getting these deals done. Smaller ground might suit his big frame.

North are sitting back laughing all the way to the compensation bank with 3 clubs falling over each other for his services.

If Hawthorn did nothing or wasn’t mentioned in every free agent chat we would be howled down as we have plenty of spare cash and everyone would want to know what we are doing.

I was told early on we are confident.
I was then told the goal posts had moved. Bombers 6 year deal perhaps?
I have recently been told we are still quietly confident .

So from all that his management has done a brilliant job keeping 3 clubs on the hook.

Thanks so much for this, I'm all good now. Now just back to E=mc2.

 

[Lickmesocks]

Thanks so much for this, I'm all good now. Now just back to E=mc2.

This is being whipped up like the LBJ to
Miami announcement.

His management have done a brilliant job.

 

[TheFourPillars]

This is being whipped up like the LBJ to
Miami announcement.

His management have done a brilliant job.

The media are the ones that are whipping this into a frenzy

 

[Bugs1977]

Do we really want a guy like McKay who appears to be shopping himself to the highest bidder? (And pretty transparently trying to get higher and higher offers). The fact we seem to still be engaging shows a bit of desperation. How can you get comfort the guys is bought in to culture/performance once he gets his payday?

Food for thought but outside of as you say McKay / his manager shopping him to the highest bidder don't be surprised if the reason an announcement hasn't been made is because no teams contract offer is pushing him into Band 1 compo. Maybe the longer this drags out the more it could be a possibility that North are just trying to buy time to push this towards Band 1.

 

[Philhawk]

I doubt very much we’d offer someone a 7 year deal

We didn’t even offer Buddy that long

Hawks will be freeing up a million in cap space after this year from JOM and Titch.

I imagine there’s some clever accounting going on to heavily front-load it.

 

[cryptor]

Food for thought but outside of as you say McKay / his manager shopping him to the highest bidder don't be surprised if the reason an announcement hasn't been made is because no teams contract offer is pushing him into Band 1 compo. Maybe the longer this drags out the more it could be a possibility that North are just trying to by time to push this towards Band 1.

The free agency period doesn't start until the 6th of October. There's no reason for McKay to announce where he's going now except to end the speculation. It's best for him to keep all options open as long as possible, even if he has made his choice.

 

[Mr Meeseeks]

There is nothing wrong with keeping a war chest for next year. Picks will be for sale soon..

 

[TheFourPillars]

Mass moves after finals exits as big player emerges: Mega 18-club trade state of play

Silly season set to explode as one team eyes trade frenzy: Mega 18-club trade state of play

www.foxsports.com.au

Note this article and then this.

NORTH MELBOURNE

...

There’s a view that if rival offers trigger band one compensation — and net North Pick 3

...

 

[hfc70]

Thanks so much for this, I'm all good now. Now just back to E=mc2.

E= MC2

Essendon = McKay 'rooted'

 

[hfc70]

Mass moves after finals exits as big player emerges: Mega 18-club trade state of play

Silly season set to explode as one team eyes trade frenzy: Mega 18-club trade state of play

www.foxsports.com.au

Note this article and then this.

NORTH MELBOURNE

...

There’s a view that if rival offers trigger band one compensation — and net North Pick 3

...

Kai Lohmann "Western Bulldogs"........................great work journos !

 

[grumbleguts]

It would be fine if we went and got Harry as well.

So you still believe there are two of them?

 

[TylerDurden]

 

[Thorgils]

Current rumour/click bait/outright lie - whichever, is Essendon have offered a 6 year deal.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Absurd 5-7 year deals are all the rage and eventually one day we’ll need to agree to one to get a target we really want. Best to resign yourself to that fact.

 

[TheFourPillars]

Current rumour/click bait/outright lie - whichever, is Essendon have offered a 6 year deal.

It's all BS mate the figures are not that high

 

[cryptor]

Mass moves after finals exits as big player emerges: Mega 18-club trade state of play

Silly season set to explode as one team eyes trade frenzy: Mega 18-club trade state of play

www.foxsports.com.au

Note this article and then this.

NORTH MELBOURNE

...

There’s a view that if rival offers trigger band one compensation — and net North Pick 3

...

I'd be keen to see what happens if it doesn't trigger band one.

North fans seem convinced they'll match and get better than the band two compo in trade, or that McKay would be otherwise happy to stay.

Personally I don't see any club willing to pay up anything like that in trade on top of their contract offer which would have been based on the assumption they weren't having to give anything else up.

Nor do I see McKay sticking around if he's already mentally committed to moving. Also not great for their culture to force a player who wants out to stay and be paying them big bucks at the same time.

It could force the fabled PSD scenario. Of course, North would have a selection ahead of everyone except West Coast. But all McKay needs to do is nominate a short term deal on massive money. If North are stubborn and select him anyway then they'll take a massive blow to their cap for what would then be a disgruntled player who will be an unrestricted free agent in 2 years. And if they pass the deal can then be smoothed out with an extension (AFAIK, no rules against this as it's not a free agency signing).

Of course none of that will happen. The AFL will just strongly suggest they let him go and then fix them up with some more assistance package.