Ultimate Glory 2023 Trade speculation and Shinbeggars discussion

[kenneje]

Hope MM gets real weird with it this week.

Want to see the thread get to 2000 pages.

 

[The Jet From Poowong]

For some reason people with very rational minds seem to become so very irrational during trade week. It's baffling

 

[hawkmang]

Hope MM gets real weird with it this week.

Want to see the thread get to 2000 pages.

All it would take is a post from RnL saying “buckle up”

 

[Hawked Wings]

All it would take is a post from RnL saying “buckle up”

I’m legitimately worried about RnL, hasn’t been sighted all week.
Hope everything is ok King

 

[TDS7]

I’m legitimately worried about RnL, hasn’t been sighted all week.
Hope everything is ok King

He was lurking around last night. If they had something to say, they would have said it. Either nothing is really changing from last week, or there's stuff but enough that they can't risk talking about it. I'll let you decide which is more likely.

 

[Rhayader]

He was lurking around last night. If they had something to say, they would have said it. Either nothing is really changing from last week, or there's stuff but enough that they can't risk talking about it. I'll let you decide which is more likely.

We need ITKs about what our ITKs are up to now

 

[KermitJagger]

Everyone who thought deals should have been finalised super early should have realised that it would never be the case considering Dodo and Essendon are so heavily involved. BZT, D'Ambrosio and to some extent Duursma should be some of the easiest deals to get done, but Dodo going out guns blazing means that they're now three of the most important deals in the trade period - especially with Port and us having plenty of other things we need to get done.

I can't think of a single person who will leave the league in a better place by ****ing off into the sunset.

 

[The Chad and I]

Cam Rayner would be a dream!!! Put him in our forward 50 PLEASE and let him go to work.

Not only is Rayner under-performing as the number 1 pick, but his performances are also lagging — by quite some margin — the types of elite small forwards you would hope he will emulate. 4th season already.

He should be tracking to be the next Petracca and Martin, but he's not even tracking to become the next Breust.
Closer to Charlie Cameron's trajectory, yet on talent alone he should be a 40-60 goal forward.
He's got 2 years before he solidifies his position as the worst number 1 pick in the history of the AFL draft.

This is why I say you don't spend a top 5-6 pick on a small forward.
You can get elite small forwards throughout the draft.

 

[TassieGrown]

Everyone who thought deals should have been finalised super early should have realised that it would never be the case considering Dodo and Essendon are so heavily involved. BZT, D'Ambrosio and to some extent Duursma should be some of the easiest deals to get done, but Dodo going out guns blazing means that they're now three of the most important deals in the trade period - especially with Port and us having plenty of other things we need to get done.

I can't think of a single person who will leave the league in a better place by ******* off into the sunset.

The Dodo has spent his entire career trying to screw over clubs and his entire career making sure the * don't play finals.

 

[Lickmesocks]

We are off our heads trading out a young Ryan for a cooked Gunners no matter how much we like the feel good story.

Gunners made a choice. We must hold our nerve here.

 

[Hawkas1988]

Not only is Rayner under-performing as the number 1 pick, but his performances are also lagging — by quite some margin — the types of elite small forwards you would hope he will emulate. 4th season already.

He should be tracking to be the next Petracca and Martin, but he's not even tracking to become the next Breust.
Closer to Charlie Cameron's trajectory, yet on talent alone he should be a 40-60 goal forward.
He's got 2 years before he solidifies his position as the worst number 1 pick in the history of the AFL draft.

This is why I say you don't spend a top 5-6 pick on a small forward.
You can get elite small forwards throughout the draft.

What's worse is he's already played 6 seasons, going into his 7th. They didn't see him as a small forward. Everyone always thought he would become a mid-forward like a Dusty/Petracca type.

He needs to get so much fitter, very disappointing player for sure. Although the 2017 draft in general at the top end has some real average/bust players. That 1st round of picks is pretty weak overall.

 

[TylerDurden]

We are off our heads trading out a young Ryan for a cooked Gunners no matter how much we like the feel good story.

Gunners made a choice. We must hold our nerve here.

And Gunner offers no fwd pressure anymore.

 

[bigmaxi]

Not sure how Dumb BJ is ?
What a window licker

He really is.....folks are dumb where he comes from.

 

[bigmaxi]

The Dodo has spent his entire career trying to screw over clubs and his entire career making sure the * don't play finals.

We should thank him for it. Have a whip around and buy him a cheap mug and a texta, he can fill out the rest himself.

 

[NICE1]

Rayner has talent, but turns out having picks 45 and 67 in that year's draft was better than having pick 1.

1. Cam Rayner
45. James Worpel
67. Dylan Moore

Sorry but this is just extremely biased. You ask 17 other clubs who'd they prefer right now, even though he hasn't reached his potential yet, and they're taking Rayner before Worpel and Moore everyday of the week.

 

[Noel Gallagher]

We are off our heads trading out a young Ryan for a cooked Gunners no matter how much we like the feel good story.

Gunners made a choice. We must hold our nerve here.

Couldn’t agree more but I honestly don’t think that we are seriously considering this

 

[HedgeFund]

What's worse is he's already played 6 seasons, going into his 7th. They didn't see him as a small forward. Everyone always thought he would become a mid-forward like a Dusty/Petracca type.

He needs to get so much fitter, very disappointing player for sure. Although the 2017 draft in general at the top end has some real average/bust players. That 1st round of picks is pretty weak overall.

Pick #2 has already won the Leigh Matthews Trophy and finished 4th in the Brownlow.

 

[KermitJagger]

Sorry but this is just extremely biased. You ask 17 other clubs who'd they prefer right now, even though he hasn't reached his potential yet, and they're taking Rayner before Worpel and Moore everyday of the week.

Lol no they wouldn't. You know that being hyper conscious of bias is bias in itself? Rayner is a worse player pretty much across the board, he's just in a better team.

 

[Blackhawk42]

Sorry but this is just extremely biased. You ask 17 other clubs who'd they prefer right now, even though he hasn't reached his potential yet, and they're taking Rayner before Worpel and Moore everyday of the week.

I wholeheartedly disagree.

Let's take Worpel out of the equation. Moore and Rayner are a better comparison due to spending more time up forward.

What does Rayner do better than Moore? More burst and agility...?
He's less consistent.
Averages less footy. Averages less in most metrics actually.
Less leadership credentials.
Less workrate.

Dylan Moore and Cameron Rayner AFL Stats Comparison

Dylan Moore and Cameron Rayner AFL Stats Comparison.

www.footywire.com

Call it a bias all you want, but on exposed form I'd expect plenty of opposition clubs to pick Dylan if they had the choice.

 

[Topiary]

And Gunner offers no fwd pressure anymore.

It was slight before he got injured.

 

[HedgeFund]

We are off our heads trading out a young Ryan for a cooked Gunners no matter how much we like the feel good story.

Gunners made a choice. We must hold our nerve here.

Sorry - I must have missed the bit where the club said anything about Brandon Ryan going anywhere....

The club is under zero pressure to get a deal done involving Ryan going to Brisbane.

 

[Alex_au]

What is all this talk about Gunners being cooked? Was only a few years ago people were saying the same about Tom Hawkins

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Tom Hawkins

Age

36

Ht

197cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.2

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

4.4

3star

M

5.5

5star

T

1.9

4star

G

2.1

5star

D

12.7

3star

K

8.6

3star

HB

4.1

3star

M

5.1

5star

T

2.1

3star

G

1.6

5star

D

7.8

2star

K

5.6

3star

HB

2.2

2star

M

4.2

4star

T

1.0

3star

G

2.2

5star

and Tex Walker. who both went through form slumps, only to get back to their best. He may have slowed down a bit but still has the football smarts to kick 40 goals a year for a couple more years. Poor bloke has been through a lot the last couple of years.

I would happy take him back if it meant the loss of a late pick only. Would I trade Ryan for him? Hell no.

If we get this trade period right, finals aren't out of the question next year.

 

[HedgeFund]

Lol no they wouldn't. You know that being hyper conscious of bias is bias in itself? Rayner is a worse player pretty much across the board, he's just in a better team.

Rayner at the moment gives me Jake Stringer vibes....except he'd obviously have to be a better bloke than The Package.

Has a decent half game here or there, then goes missing for the next 3 1/2 games.

Rinse, repeat.

 

[Hawk88]

Sorry but this is just extremely biased. You ask 17 other clubs who'd they prefer right now, even though he hasn't reached his potential yet, and they're taking Rayner before Worpel and Moore everyday of the week.

This is so harsh to our man Dyl

His far more elite then Rayner at this point, Rayner isn't even in the top 2 best small forwards in his team!

 

[Strebi3]

Have a feeling sleepy Mark’s alarm is set for 5pm Wednesday