List Mgmt. 2023 Trade Thread - Part I

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BrutThough said:
He is a surprising choice for a February train on player. Based on his Nab League form last year, he is a big project player so would be unlikely to cover any of the current forward woes and be someone else to spend the year at Sandy.
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Almost like a long term replacement for Allison.
 
Significant said:
Maybe it shows us where the club thinks we're at. Also, I don't mind it - there are so many avenues to draft kids now, if you can pull a shady move on a kid turning 19 this year in the preseason who could've been pinched in the midseason draft, and has shown rapid improvement, then it's a cunning move if you think they're a long term prospect.

I'd also add, with talls, it's more their skillset and athleticism which projects their ability, rather than their performance or output (see Allison, Matthew). This kid moves well for a 196cm forward, and a lot of those young midfielders who take on growth spurts have a better athletic profile than the tall lumbering players who have been rucks their entire lives (see English, Timothy).
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Caminiti regards his athleticism as his weak point.
 

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SteeleSaints said:
It seems we are taking the free list spot into the season since Eyre wasnt offerred a spot. Hopefully we can find someone throughout the year to be taken in MSD.
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Don’t agree with that strategy…we need to fill all list spots now, as unfortunately there will likely be another LTI before mid season draft.
 
gringo2011 said:
Ayer was the same. They are obviously not looking to fill King's spot. Someone like Ethan Phillips would be a way to get a KP for now and send a back to the forward line. They obviously want a long term project though.
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Is that your 150th mention of Phillips , you just need to come out and admit you have the hots for him
 
saintmike65 said:
Don’t agree with that strategy…we need to fill all list spots now, as unfortunately there will likely be another LTI before mid season draft.
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I agree, I just thought the club had given up in finding another player. Hopefully Caminiti can impress enough to fill the last spot?

Im still not convinced Allison will make it, so if Caminiti is a more natural footballing/marker he is definitely the way to go.
 
saintmike65 said:
I love Paddy but luring him out of retirement at 36 would be incredibly dumb..think James Frawley & he was only 31!!
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Romantic, but that is all.
 
CaptainRisky said:
Is that your 150th mention of Phillips , you just need to come out and admit you have the hots for him
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gringo2011 said:
He’s a beastly specimen.
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Difficult decisions need to be made 🤔

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Interesting Article in the age today about you guys.

St Kilda will prioritise players from the bayside corridor through to the Mornington Peninsula in the draft and closely monitor and target locals in hope of using their geographic edge in Melbourne’s south as a point of difference to attract players.

The Saints will try to utilise their bayside links to first target, then attract former local players in a way that Geelong have successfully been a destination club for players from the greater Geelong and western Victorian region.
Former local products such as early draft picks Finn Callaghan at Greater Western Sydney or a Josh Sinn at Port Adelaide will be actively monitored and pursued with the hope that the Saints can be the natural first choice for players from the southern bayside area wanting to return home to Victoria.

Recruiting ex-Carlton first-round pick Liam Stocker this off-season fitted that strategy of prioritising former local players.
The Sandringham Dragons under-18 team is based at St Kilda’s Moorabbin home in Linton Street. The Dragons had 12 players drafted in the last year alone.

“Certainly we are turning our mind to bayside as a point of difference. We have a $50 million facility bayside, we have the Sandy Dragons based here, we have the Sandy Zebras here. We have strong relationships with them,” St Kilda CEO Simon Lethlean said.

“If you are on the margins and trying to attract kids to your club or attract those returning to Victoria we want to utilise our point of difference for players from bayside right down through the peninsula. You look at Geelong and what they have been able to do.

“It’s not ‘all in’ and that’s all we are doing, it is one part of an overall strategy, but we think we have a point of difference in the south.

“You have the Sandy Dragons training here, you get to know the players they get to know us. It’s tag and release, you monitor them and hope one day you get them back. Liam Stocker fits the bill of that as a Sandy boy.
“North Melbourne, Carlton, Essendon, they are all on top of each another. We are not, we are bayside ... no other club in Melbourne can do it, we have the whole corridor from here to Portsea.”

Geelong have long been a preferred destination for players originally from the surf coast, Bellarine Peninsula, western district and greater Geelong returning to Victoria, not only because of the location but the highly successful football program.
Most recently first-round draft pick Tanner Bruhn was traded back from GWS to Geelong while star pair Jeremy Cameron and Patrick Dangerfield both chose the Cats when they came back to live in Victoria.

The Cats have had a fondness for local players. Last year they had 17 players originally from Geelong or western Victoria on their list, then chose Jhye Clark, an elite inside midfielder from the Geelong Falcons with pick seven in the draft, and traded for Bruhn and former local player Ollie Henry, brother of Jack, from Collingwood.
The Cats have also successfully utilised their local networks to identify talent. Most significantly they secured All-Australian premiership defender Tom Stewart, a former Geelong Falcon who was playing for Geelong’s VFL team, as a mature-aged recruit in the draft.

Non-Victorian clubs have long prioritised local players to help with player retention and target former locals when it comes to trades.

St Kilda recently announced Stephen Silvagni would return to the club as list manager, reuniting with veteran administrator Graeme Allan who is in talent identification with the club targeting trade targets.

General manager of football Geoff Walsh recently resigned due to family reasons, with his position being shared for the season with high-performance manager David Misson and Tessie McManus.
 
Bulldogs85 said:
Interesting Article in the age today about you guys.

St Kilda will prioritise players from the bayside corridor through to the Mornington Peninsula in the draft and closely monitor and target locals in hope of using their geographic edge in Melbourne’s south as a point of difference to attract players.

The Saints will try to utilise their bayside links to first target, then attract former local players in a way that Geelong have successfully been a destination club for players from the greater Geelong and western Victorian region.
Former local products such as early draft picks Finn Callaghan at Greater Western Sydney or a Josh Sinn at Port Adelaide will be actively monitored and pursued with the hope that the Saints can be the natural first choice for players from the southern bayside area wanting to return home to Victoria.

Recruiting ex-Carlton first-round pick Liam Stocker this off-season fitted that strategy of prioritising former local players.
The Sandringham Dragons under-18 team is based at St Kilda’s Moorabbin home in Linton Street. The Dragons had 12 players drafted in the last year alone.

“Certainly we are turning our mind to bayside as a point of difference. We have a $50 million facility bayside, we have the Sandy Dragons based here, we have the Sandy Zebras here. We have strong relationships with them,” St Kilda CEO Simon Lethlean said.

“If you are on the margins and trying to attract kids to your club or attract those returning to Victoria we want to utilise our point of difference for players from bayside right down through the peninsula. You look at Geelong and what they have been able to do.

“It’s not ‘all in’ and that’s all we are doing, it is one part of an overall strategy, but we think we have a point of difference in the south.

“You have the Sandy Dragons training here, you get to know the players they get to know us. It’s tag and release, you monitor them and hope one day you get them back. Liam Stocker fits the bill of that as a Sandy boy.
“North Melbourne, Carlton, Essendon, they are all on top of each another. We are not, we are bayside ... no other club in Melbourne can do it, we have the whole corridor from here to Portsea.”

Geelong have long been a preferred destination for players originally from the surf coast, Bellarine Peninsula, western district and greater Geelong returning to Victoria, not only because of the location but the highly successful football program.
Most recently first-round draft pick Tanner Bruhn was traded back from GWS to Geelong while star pair Jeremy Cameron and Patrick Dangerfield both chose the Cats when they came back to live in Victoria.

The Cats have had a fondness for local players. Last year they had 17 players originally from Geelong or western Victoria on their list, then chose Jhye Clark, an elite inside midfielder from the Geelong Falcons with pick seven in the draft, and traded for Bruhn and former local player Ollie Henry, brother of Jack, from Collingwood.
The Cats have also successfully utilised their local networks to identify talent. Most significantly they secured All-Australian premiership defender Tom Stewart, a former Geelong Falcon who was playing for Geelong’s VFL team, as a mature-aged recruit in the draft.

Non-Victorian clubs have long prioritised local players to help with player retention and target former locals when it comes to trades.

St Kilda recently announced Stephen Silvagni would return to the club as list manager, reuniting with veteran administrator Graeme Allan who is in talent identification with the club targeting trade targets.

General manager of football Geoff Walsh recently resigned due to family reasons, with his position being shared for the season with high-performance manager David Misson and Tessie McManus.
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Hopefully we can go back and draft Chris Judd at #3
 
All else being equal, sure pick the local kid.
But keep it real.

2000: Pick 2 Koschitski - Bushrangers, Pick 6 Dylan Smith : Dragons.
2001: Hodge (Falcons ) , Ball ( Dragons ) , Judd ( Dragons) // Maguire ( Falcons) , Charlie Gardiner ( Dragons), Steve Johnson ( Bushrangers ).
Later 2001: Rod Crowe ( Dragons ), Sam Mitchell ( Hawks ), Montagna ( Knights ).
2002: Kade Simpson ( Eastern Ranges ), Leigh Fisher ( Dragons ).
2004: Andrew McQualter ( Power), Tom Murphey ( Dragons).
2005: Brad Howard ( Redland ) , Chris Dawes ( Dragons ).
2007: Myke Cook ( Dragons ) , Jack Steven ( Falcons ).
2008: Tom Lynch ( Dragons ), Mitch Brown ( Dragons ), Luke Shuey ( Chargers ). // Stanley ( West Adelaide), Heyne ( Power ), Taylor Hunt ( Dragons ).
2009: Nicholas Winmare ( Claremont ) , Max Gawn ( Dragons ).

In the end we want them to choose the best players, and we don't want to make an easy "policy" excuse for our new list management.
It already takes long enough to tell if list managers are under performing.

Are they are also oversimplifying the attraction to Geelong. Is real estate the same?
I'd have thought that you could live within a few km of their stadium there for a lot less than living near Marvel.
 
SaintsSeptember said:
All else being equal, sure pick the local kid.
But keep it real.

2000: Pick 2 Koschitski - Bushrangers, Pick 6 Dylan Smith : Dragons.
2001: Hodge (Falcons ) , Ball ( Dragons ) , Judd ( Dragons) // Maguire ( Falcons) , Charlie Gardiner ( Dragons), Steve Johnson ( Bushrangers ).
Later 2001: Rod Crowe ( Dragons ), Sam Mitchell ( Hawks ), Montagna ( Knights ).
2002: Kade Simpson ( Eastern Ranges ), Leigh Fisher ( Dragons ).
2004: Andrew McQualter ( Power), Tom Murphey ( Dragons).
2005: Brad Howard ( Redland ) , Chris Dawes ( Dragons ).
2007: Myke Cook ( Dragons ) , Jack Steven ( Falcons ).
2008: Tom Lynch ( Dragons ), Mitch Brown ( Dragons ), Luke Shuey ( Chargers ). // Stanley ( West Adelaide), Heyne ( Power ), Taylor Hunt ( Dragons ).
2009: Nicholas Winmare ( Claremont ) , Max Gawn ( Dragons ).

In the end we want them to choose the best players, and we don't want to make an easy "policy" excuse for our new list management.
It already takes long enough to tell if list managers are under performing.

Are they are also oversimplifying the attraction to Geelong. Is real estate the same?
I'd have thought that you could live within a few km of their stadium there for a lot less than living near Marvel.
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They are talking about recruiting from other clubs. Not the draft.
 
FQFjt said:
The distance between bayside and other areas of Melbourne is not quite the same as the distance between Geelong and other areas of Melbourne.
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Portsea to Moorabbin is quite a distance
 
Bulldogs85 said:
Interesting Article in the age today about you guys.

St Kilda will prioritise players from the bayside corridor through to the Mornington Peninsula in the draft and closely monitor and target locals in hope of using their geographic edge in Melbourne’s south as a point of difference to attract players.

The Saints will try to utilise their bayside links to first target, then attract former local players in a way that Geelong have successfully been a destination club for players from the greater Geelong and western Victorian region.
Former local products such as early draft picks Finn Callaghan at Greater Western Sydney or a Josh Sinn at Port Adelaide will be actively monitored and pursued with the hope that the Saints can be the natural first choice for players from the southern bayside area wanting to return home to Victoria.

Recruiting ex-Carlton first-round pick Liam Stocker this off-season fitted that strategy of prioritising former local players.
The Sandringham Dragons under-18 team is based at St Kilda’s Moorabbin home in Linton Street. The Dragons had 12 players drafted in the last year alone.

“Certainly we are turning our mind to bayside as a point of difference. We have a $50 million facility bayside, we have the Sandy Dragons based here, we have the Sandy Zebras here. We have strong relationships with them,” St Kilda CEO Simon Lethlean said.

“If you are on the margins and trying to attract kids to your club or attract those returning to Victoria we want to utilise our point of difference for players from bayside right down through the peninsula. You look at Geelong and what they have been able to do.

“It’s not ‘all in’ and that’s all we are doing, it is one part of an overall strategy, but we think we have a point of difference in the south.

“You have the Sandy Dragons training here, you get to know the players they get to know us. It’s tag and release, you monitor them and hope one day you get them back. Liam Stocker fits the bill of that as a Sandy boy.
“North Melbourne, Carlton, Essendon, they are all on top of each another. We are not, we are bayside ... no other club in Melbourne can do it, we have the whole corridor from here to Portsea.”

Geelong have long been a preferred destination for players originally from the surf coast, Bellarine Peninsula, western district and greater Geelong returning to Victoria, not only because of the location but the highly successful football program.
Most recently first-round draft pick Tanner Bruhn was traded back from GWS to Geelong while star pair Jeremy Cameron and Patrick Dangerfield both chose the Cats when they came back to live in Victoria.

The Cats have had a fondness for local players. Last year they had 17 players originally from Geelong or western Victoria on their list, then chose Jhye Clark, an elite inside midfielder from the Geelong Falcons with pick seven in the draft, and traded for Bruhn and former local player Ollie Henry, brother of Jack, from Collingwood.
The Cats have also successfully utilised their local networks to identify talent. Most significantly they secured All-Australian premiership defender Tom Stewart, a former Geelong Falcon who was playing for Geelong’s VFL team, as a mature-aged recruit in the draft.

Non-Victorian clubs have long prioritised local players to help with player retention and target former locals when it comes to trades.

St Kilda recently announced Stephen Silvagni would return to the club as list manager, reuniting with veteran administrator Graeme Allan who is in talent identification with the club targeting trade targets.

General manager of football Geoff Walsh recently resigned due to family reasons, with his position being shared for the season with high-performance manager David Misson and Tessie McManus.
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We’ve been raising this idea for a while on here. It makes a lot of sense, but in reality it will never work near as well as it does for Geelong.

Unless we are really flying, players aren’t going to choose us over the likes of Richmond to save themselves a bit of travel in the car.

And in terms of drafting locally, we don’t really have an issue with retaining players. We will always lose the odd interstate player but rarely does a Melbourne based player ask to be traded.
 
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