List Mgmt. 2023 Trade Thread - Part I

[George]

 

[sunny3193]

No to Parish, no to Bing, who you saying yes to Sun Sun?

I would prefer we stick to the draft for our first two picks, any other picks we get through trading out players we can use to target ready to go GOP’s in key spots.
Not a huge fan of trading for all the reasons that gringo2011 articulates so well.

 

[Sully111]

I tend to agreed. I'd like that Van Es could rapidly integrate and they push Sincs into the midfield. Likewise when King returns l hope Chito moves there too.
We're a bit stuck with the older guys being in career best form but hard choices are good to have.

My hope is that this "year of exploration" really is just that.

What got us back on track is our president showing some balls and not playing it safe.

I hope our coaches do the same at selection.

"But, but, finals" can take over though. I can't see why we can't have both.

 

[The_Steadier]

Ben King

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Ben King

Age

24

Ht

202cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.2

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

3.5

4star

T

0.5

3star

G

1.3

5star

D

7.5

2star

K

5.6

2star

HB

1.9

1star

M

3.6

4star

T

0.3

1star

G

1.5

5star

D

6.8

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

2.4

3star

M

3.2

4star

T

0.2

3star

G

1.0

4star

has demonstrated (before his knee) he is every bit as good as his brother.

Let that sink in for a moment.

Caminiti has been a great surprise packet- but no way should his emergence change our interest in bing whatsoever.
If he really does kick on and maintain his start (and not become the next sharman)- then he takes membreys spot.

Pou and owens are destined for the midfield, so again- their emergence shouldn't change our interest in bing.

A forward setup of 3 talls being the 2 kings and either caminiti or membrey is easily worth 2 first rounders (all the moreso if we finish top 4/6 this year).

The king boys aren't exactly lumbering talls- they both move like giant cats when the ball is on the deck.

 

[sunny3193]

No to Parish, no to Bing, who you saying yes to Sun Sun?

What is your preference?

 

[MickG88]

Ben King has demonstrated (before his knee) he is every bit as good as his brother.

Let that sink in for a moment.

Caminiti has been a great surprise packet- but no way should his emergence change our interest in bing whatsoever.
If he really does kick on and maintain his start (and not become the next sharman)- then he takes membreys spot.

Pou and owens are destined for the midfield, so again- their emergence shouldn't change our interest in bing.

A forward setup of 3 talls being the 2 kings and either caminiti or membrey is easily worth 2 first rounders (all the moreso if we finish top 4/6 this year).

The king boys aren't exactly lumbering talls- they both move like giant cats when the ball is on the deck.

also if either Max or Ben get injured/suspend then we don't go without a 200cm forward and lose a game because we have no tall targets in the forward 50. I see nothing but upside with getting Ben King to the Saints.

 

[Dard Ball Get]

What is your preference?

I’ve come around to the idea of both, but also wouldn’t mind hitting the draft either. Professional fence sitter I know.
I feel we’re in a good position with our older guys still here for a while, and we can pick and choose as FA’s and others pop up.

 

[sunny3193]

I’ve come around to the idea of both, but also wouldn’t mind hitting the draft either. Professional fence sitter I know.
I feel we’re in a good position with our older guys still here for a while, and we can pick and choose as FA’s and others pop up.

We have invested in a top shelf development manager (at last).
I have only heard good things about him.

Last year we got a great spread of talent, we haven’t seen any of them with the exception of Phillipou. I hear that while we have great hopes for the other three, we haven’t seen anything of Hotton and I hear that he’s greatly thought of.
Absolutely no harm in going to the well again.

We should trust our investment.

 

[SteeleSaints]

Ben King

34

Ben King

Age

24

Ht

202cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.2

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

3.5

4star

T

0.5

3star

G

1.3

5star

D

7.5

2star

K

5.6

2star

HB

1.9

1star

M

3.6

4star

T

0.3

1star

G

1.5

5star

D

6.8

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

2.4

3star

M

3.2

4star

T

0.2

3star

G

1.0

4star

is not as strong a contested mark but is a littler better shot on goals than Max. I dont see Ben leaving GCS unless Dew gets sacked.

 

[sunny3193]

Ben King is not as strong a contested mark but is a littler better shot on goals than Max. I dont see Ben leaving GCS unless Dew gets sacked.

I see him leaving if Dew doesn’t get sacked.


(This is beginning to sound like the Piranha Brothers sketch from MP. The other, other plan)

 

[gringo2011]

I’ve come around to the idea of both, but also wouldn’t mind hitting the draft either. Professional fence sitter I know.
I feel we’re in a good position with our older guys still here for a while, and we can pick and choose as FA’s and others pop up.

The best thing about momentum is that you all of a sudden look attractive to FAs. We should try to go for needs with FAs and draft with our high picks unless a hard to pass up deal comes along. Ben King looks like a deal that has the potential to get us stretched with pieces still needed. Unless we can do some deal like Whitfield and a FRDP for cap space I think it's hard one to get done without compromising a lot of other moves.

 

[MrFoster]

If we don't win a flag in the next 3 years we need to rebuild again and then you could trade all of them if you are going that far. I reckon we need to keep adding talent not removing it. Getting kids in just prolongs the wait and by that time most of our bests will be over the hill.

A better tap ruck makes our midfield better....getting a good HBF to replace Sinclair lets you put him on ball and Owens, Windhager, Phillipou etc haven't been tried. Some depth of ready to play talent means you can cover for holes at least.

You could even try putting Marshall in as a tall back like Lyon used to use McEvoy if you get anther ruck in, he's a star but not as a tap ruck. I reckon we need to start adding pieces that fill holes and getting creative because the moment will pass us by if we don't move fast.

Agree with the list holes:

1. Running backs who can intercept and take the game on - Coffield, and?

2. Dominant TAP ruckman in the mould of Gawn, Goldstein, Ryder.

3. Contested ball beasts who can win the ball close and burst away from stoppages e.g. Shuey, Judd, Oliver..

4. Key position defender who can take the likes of Dixon, Hawkins, Walker one on one and beat them..

SOS needs to come up with good short term (Free agency, trade) and long term (draft) strategies to plug these gaps.

 

[bird_man]

Not many recent premiership sides had a dominant tap ruckman. That us the last of my worries. Marshall is a better player than many rucks that have won flags.

 

[Mowman]

Agree with the list holes:

1. Running backs who can intercept and take the game on - Coffield, and?

2. Dominant TAP ruckman in the mould of Gawn, Goldstein, Ryder.

3. Contested ball beasts who can win the ball close and burst away from stoppages e.g. Shuey, Judd, Oliver..

4. Key position defender who can take the likes of Dixon, Hawkins, Walker one on one and beat them..

SOS needs to come up with good short term (Free agency, trade) and long term (draft) strategies to plug these gaps.

1. Coffield & Whitfield

2. Happy with Marshall and a cheap option to help for 20 minutes a game

3. Owens

4.Have a couple coming through

 

[gringo2011]

Agree with the list holes:

1. Running backs who can intercept and take the game on - Coffield, and?

2. Dominant TAP ruckman in the mould of Gawn, Goldstein, Ryder.

3. Contested ball beasts who can win the ball close and burst away from stoppages e.g. Shuey, Judd, Oliver..

4. Key position defender who can take the likes of Dixon, Hawkins, Walker one on one and beat them..

SOS needs to come up with good short term (Free agency, trade) and long term (draft) strategies to plug these gaps.

A gun ruck probably gives our existing midfield a boost and makes a clearance beast less of a priority. If Coffield could become another Sincs it would make a massive difference. Owens has that burst if he comes on. Van Es looks like he could be that big KPD gorilla. If we can move players around we can make very targeted moves. I wonder if Marshall could play KPD if we get another ruck. If he could play a more field role he could be a pretty handy distributor and interceptor.

 

[Mowman]

A gun ruck probably gives our existing midfield a boost and makes a clearance beast less of a priority. If Coffield could become another Sincs it would make a massive difference. Owens has that burst if he comes on. Van Es looks like he could be that big KPD gorilla. If we can move players around we can make very targeted moves. I wonder if Marshall could play KPD if we get another ruck. If he could play a more field role he could be a pretty handy distributor and interceptor.

Don't think Marshall can play anywhere but where he is playing now

 

[gringo2011]

Not many recent premiership sides had a dominant tap ruckman. That us the last of my worries. Marshall is a better player than many rucks that have won flags.

You need mids who can win contested possessions if you don't have a ruck that can feed them. If they take away the bounce it will be interesting to see what types work best.

 

[bird_man]

You need mids who can win contested possessions if you don't have a ruck that can feed them. If they take away the bounce it will be interesting to see what types work best.

Even a dominant ruck doesn't guarantee you'll win contested footy though, we'd be better off chasing or developing mids that can win the footy.

I can't remember a side with a dominant ruck and average midfield winning a flag of late

 

[ScrappyDo]

If we don't win a flag in the next 3 years we need to rebuild again and then you could trade all of them if you are going that far. I reckon we need to keep adding talent not removing it. Getting kids in just prolongs the wait and by that time most of our bests will be over the hill.

A better tap ruck makes our midfield better....getting a good HBF to replace Sinclair lets you put him on ball and Owens, Windhager, Phillipou etc haven't been tried. Some depth of ready to play talent means you can cover for holes at least.

You could even try putting Marshall in as a tall back like Lyon used to use McEvoy if you get anther ruck in, he's a star but not as a tap ruck. I reckon we need to start adding pieces that fill holes and getting creative because the moment will pass us by if we don't move fast.

Couldn't disagree more with this. The influx of kids will only start paying real dividends around that time. No, starting rebuild when Max hits his prime is shear idiocy.

 

[Yawkey way]

The best thing about momentum is that you all of a sudden look attractive to FAs. We should try to go for needs with FAs and draft with our high picks unless a hard to pass up deal comes along. Ben King looks like a deal that has the potential to get us stretched with pieces still needed. Unless we can do some deal like Whitfield and a FRDP for cap space I think it's hard one to get done without compromising a lot of other moves.

If we can swing that deal yes I’d do it otherwise it’s mids and keep hit the draft. We have some fairly obvious needs and giving up two firsts without addressing them doesn’t sound like a plan to me.

 

[gringo2011]

Even a dominant ruck doesn't guarantee you'll win contested footy though, we'd be better off chasing or developing mids that can win the footy.

I can't remember a side with a dominant ruck and average midfield winning a flag of late

I think our midfield is better than average but doesn't have a real star type which holds us back a bit. we are a lot like Port IMO. Lots of good pieces but lack that absolute star class at the moment. Hopefully we have already recruited them because we need them next year.

 

[gringo2011]

Couldn't disagree more with this. The influx of kids will only start paying real dividends around that time. No, starting rebuild when Max hits his prime is shear idiocy.

I don't really think rebuilding is the answer (I was being facetious) but reckon we might miss out on a flag with this crew if we don't get it while Sinclair and co are here. Probably only have 3 or so years to get it done unless we really over achieve at the draft and trade table and try to nail one with King. I wouldn't wait personally, I'd be going as hard as we can now but not be irresponsible at the same time.

 

[bird_man]

I think our midfield is better than average but doesn't have a real star type which holds us back a bit. we are a lot like Port IMO. Lots of good pieces but lack that absolute star class at the moment. Hopefully we have already recruited them because we need them next year.

Yeah I'm fairly confident in the young mids coming through

I think we lack star power around the ground but we've got the basis of a very solid 22 with no holes. I'd take quality anywhere on the ground we can get them. I don't see a glaring hole in any particular position, just a lack of genuine match winners.

That's why I'm very keen on chasing Bing now that we've invested in the midfield over the last 2 years, but if a quality mid came up I'd be more than happy to go after them

 

[gringo2011]

Yeah I'm fairly confident in the young mids coming through

I think we lack star power around the ground but we've got the basis of a very solid 22 with no holes. I'd take quality anywhere on the ground we can get them. I don't see a glaring hole in any particular position, just a lack of genuine match winners.

That's why I'm very keen on chasing Bing now that we've invested in the midfield over the last 2 years, but if a quality mid came up I'd be more than happy to go after them

I'd like to see what we look like with one King before we go all in on two of them. I imagine 90% of our entries aren't going through Max when he comes back. Having a second KPF that is more defensive is very Lyon and I think Hammer probably works better that way. I wouldn't say no to Ben King but not all in and paying a fortune. We need to be realistic with our list management and not over spend in one area IMO.

I reckon GC get as much value out of Chol as they do out of King and he'd be on quarter of his wage. It really depends on whet they want for him and what we can do to come up with the picks I guess.

 

[Diehard Saint]

The only thing I imagine they might want him for is his leadership and standard setting. He's a proper Rooey type high expectations general. Looks absolutely cooked but plenty are saying Freo are letting him rot.

No.no.no.no.no.
And once again, for those in the back…no.
( Been there, done that with Hanners.)
Need our own players to step up as leaders.

 

[Mowman]

The only thing I imagine they might want him for is his leadership and standard setting. He's a proper Rooey type high expectations general. Looks absolutely cooked but plenty are saying Freo are letting him rot.

That cant be right we had Hannas for that for years