List Mgmt. 2023 Trade Thread - Part I

[George]

 

[Klaatu]

Watch Dow play the next lot of games & prove his worth he will have plenty of club’s interest.


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[CaptainRisky]

Have we totally given up on Highmore? Did some nice things in 21 can mean we push Sincs in the middle

He is a shocking kick , turns it over a lot

 

[XhazzafootyX]

I’d be sick if we gave up or used our first rounder in A trade for bergman

 

[bird_man]

I'm not disagreeing with you but we won a lot of midfield stats even yesterday, we need top end not more filler. Injury exposes the thinness of what we have. Not sure Bytel is going to be a step above what we have and that just leaves Windy and Leo. Windy hasn't really owned a spot yet but worth a go and losing couple of mids gives him that chance.

We have to draft mids to bring them in otherwise.

It's a worry that we are considered a running side and getting outrun and exposed by speed. Ross needs to get the coaches onto it.

Midfield stats can make things look a hell of a lot better than they actually are.

Similar to the comparisons to Port and some were claiming our midfield was matching them because the contested and clearance numbers were similar when in reality we are a long way off them.

What stats don't show is the quality of clearances or how well the midfield can move the footy through the middle.

We have drafted mids over the last few years. Owens, Windhager, Phillipou, Hotten. Even Bytel and Byrne's prior to that. It's not like we have been ignoring it like we were under the trout.

There's zero point drafting them though If we are just going to stick with the same old shit kickers that have gotten so nowhere.

Windy got an injury at a bad time that put him behind the 8 ball. That meant when he did get back in, the team was going well and he wasn't getting a lot of midfield minutes. He's played some great footy in the VFL though and should have played this week.

Phillipou is still probably another pre season off really being able to perform in there but he needs to get more of a taste. Owens is 100% ready to go in and make an impact. Bytel I'm not sold on but we'll never know if we never go. Makes more sense than just rolling out Seb Ross again.

 

[SteeleSaints]

I’d be sick if we gave up or used our first rounder in A trade for bergman

As a club, we've have needed midfielders for as long as I can remember, granted that sometimes clubs list needs change throughout the season. But we only have to look at the Bulldogs GF team they won a flag with a make shift forward line, under sized defence, but a group of elite midfeilders. Excluding the past couple of years, our recruitment team has always found a way to overlook our midfield requirements.

It's just poor list management, and I am really concerned that SOS & Allen will take us down the same path.

 

[Moral Decay]

11 elite HBF's?!

* News report * "St Kilda will be taking a record 11 selections at the draft this year".

I can see it now the interview with SOS, "everyone of these kids is an elite runner with great foot skills, we expect that they will all transistion to the midfield in a couple of years time."

And we'll watch them hoping they come good but somehow all eleven will have individual traits like, can't find their own ball, injury prone, doesn't like the gym, is more concerned with social media, is a natural footballer but doesn't like to work hard, is a natural athlete but we'll teach them to find the ball, has poor vision, can't dispose under pressure, can't handle any pressure, is a mummy's boy, is too brave for their own good, they'll bleed red white and black, and we'd love to play football with them, they'll all have nicknames that somehow remind us of bleach.

We'll hold onto them for 5 years and pay them well over the odds, because they were first round draft picks, and someone has to get the money, potential and we love them. Thyen we'll trade them for a pack of Twisties and a Sunny Boy after 6 years and hit the draft for the next batch of elite HBF's and I'll spend the next ten years vomiting again.

 

[Moral Decay]

This guy is what we need.

"Renowned for his poise under pressure, inside-outside balance, ability to find space and ball-winning ability, McKercher (181cm) at this stage is considered a top-10 prospect. And considering the lack of pure midfield options at the top of this year’s draft class, McKercher could be a man in demand come this year’s draft."

Why Harley Reid is the clear No. 1 of 2023, Suns and Tassie conundrums and mid-season whispers: AFL Draft Watch

Freak Dusty clone AFL’s ‘best ever prospect’; recruiters’ big Tassie doubt: Draft Watch

www.foxsports.com.au

I'd love it but we'd have to come up with a hell of a trade list to get him, multiple first round picks and or players and every other team will be trying the same. How would you build the package?

 

[bird_man]

I'd love it but we'd have to come up with a hell of a trade list to get him, multiple first round picks and or players and every other team will be trying the same. How would you build the package?

Depends how much we really rate him, but if Gold Coast look set to have an academy kid go top 5 then they will be looking to off load their first pick so we could move up the draft that way.

If he's that good then it might be worth giving up something good to get there. Port paid huge to move up the draft and get Rozee and that has already paid off.

 

[PoppedCorn]

Berg lol
Still not seeing why we are interested

 

[Moral Decay]

Depends how much we really rate him, but if Gold Coast look set to have an academy kid go top 5 then they will be looking to off load their first pick so we could move up the draft that way.

If he's that good then it might be worth giving up something good to get there. Port paid huge to move up the draft and get Rozee and that has already paid off.

I'm in favour of going for him, the only players on the list that I feel are untouchable are King and Michito, All the rest on a sliding scale starting at a very expensive price are, NWM, Phillipou, Sinclair, Marshall and Wilkie are tradeable, NOT SAY WE SHOULD TRADE THEM, all the way down to Highmore for virtually nothing.

If for example we could turn Gresh and Clarke into 2 firsts, or a first and two seconds get Whitfield and a first round pick for money, pick up Fyfe on a free, grab Parish and Flanders. We'd be in a position list wise and have plenty of trade value to get there. While I think it may well be dreaming, we'd have to let go of valued players to get even the chance of getting him.

 

[Mstr Strokesman]

Depends how much we really rate him, but if Gold Coast look set to have an academy kid go top 5 then they will be looking to off load their first pick so we could move up the draft that way.

If he's that good then it might be worth giving up something good to get there. Port paid huge to move up the draft and get Rozee and that has already paid off.

Yes this .I would live the recruiters go and identify a talented midfield kid and chase him.
Dangerfield went pick 10 and Rendal held his nerve to pick him over Ebert.

 

[XhazzafootyX]

Left field idea-

A lifeline to tarryn Thomas

26

Tarryn Thomas

Age

24

Ht

190cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.0

3star

K

5.3

2star

HB

5.7

4star

M

2.1

2star

T

3.3

5star

CL

0.9

3star

D

7.8

2star

K

4.0

1star

HB

3.8

3star

M

1.3

1star

T

3.2

4star

CL

0.2

2star

D

12.8

4star

K

6.2

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.8

5star

CL

0.4

3star

? Or not worth it?

 

[Mowman]

Left field idea-

A lifeline to tarryn Thomas? Or not worth it?

Not worth it

 

[Red leg]

Do we have a position open for the mid season? Could do worse things than have Kai Owens on our list

We havnt opened one as yet

 

[jwikked]

Left field idea-

A lifeline to tarryn Thomas? Or not worth it?

That moron will end up getting sacked and banned from footy. A definite no

 

[gringo2011]

The only downside is he is Tasmanian and I think there will be a huge pull for the Tassie side to get their players back. I wouldnt like to lose him after a couple of years, but with their draft concessions it might be a smart move to grab him and cash in on their concession picks at a later time. Or he stays and becomes another famous Sainter recruited from Tassie.

They won't be ready for ages and I doubt they can make us give players up against our wishes.

 

[gringo2011]

Midfield stats can make things look a hell of a lot better than they actually are.

Similar to the comparisons to Port and some were claiming our midfield was matching them because the contested and clearance numbers were similar when in reality we are a long way off them.

What stats don't show is the quality of clearances or how well the midfield can move the footy through the middle.

We have drafted mids over the last few years. Owens, Windhager, Phillipou, Hotten. Even Bytel and Byrne's prior to that. It's not like we have been ignoring it like we were under the trout.

There's zero point drafting them though If we are just going to stick with the same old s**t kickers that have gotten so nowhere.

Windy got an injury at a bad time that put him behind the 8 ball. That meant when he did get back in, the team was going well and he wasn't getting a lot of midfield minutes. He's played some great footy in the VFL though and should have played this week.

Phillipou is still probably another pre season off really being able to perform in there but he needs to get more of a taste. Owens is 100% ready to go in and make an impact. Bytel I'm not sold on but we'll never know if we never go. Makes more sense than just rolling out Seb Ross again.

Well we still can't make elite mids appear so we have to draft or trade for them.

I'm not sure we are playing the kids off revitalising the midfield. This is why I was against topping up in 2019. If we'd drafted them they'd be like Caleb Serong now. Instead we still need to replace what we traded in and if we draft now we have to wait 4 years before they start dominating games. We are in that shitty spot where we aren't good enough and don't have a heap of young talent to push through except the every young kids.

We almost have to get creative with our list additions. Find a few Flanders, Sharp semi developed types that aren't getting games and see if we can shake them free. Perhaps by absorbing some salary space for them again.

 

[gringo2011]

Berg lol
Still not seeing why we are interested

Didn't see the game but my mate said he was shithoue.

 

[gringo2011]

I'd love it but we'd have to come up with a hell of a trade list to get him, multiple first round picks and or players and every other team will be trying the same. How would you build the package?

Sorry, that article is about Harley Reid but I was suggesting the Tassie kid McKercher or how ever it's spelled. Don't think we have enough to offer up to get Reid.

 

[bird_man]

Well we still can't make elite mids appear so we have to draft or trade for them.

I'm not sure we are playing the kids off revitalising the midfield. This is why I was against topping up in 2019. If we'd drafted them they'd be like Caleb Serong now. Instead we still need to replace what we traded in and if we draft now we have to wait 4 years before they start dominating games. We are in that shitty spot where we aren't good enough and don't have a heap of young talent to push through except the every young kids.

We almost have to get creative with our list additions. Find a few Flanders, Sharp semi developed types that aren't getting games and see if we can shake them free. Perhaps by absorbing some salary space for them again.

**** it doesn't take much for you to do a complete 180 man. Only a couple of weeks ago I was arguing with you that our midfield wasn't good enough and you were telling me it was.

Nothing is ever as bad or as good as it can seem.

We've taken plenty of mids over the two years. If we develop them right we will have our own Caleb Serongs in 12 to 24 months.

Port never bottomed out and have the best young midfield in the comp.

Not much we can do about past mistakes now but we really aren't in that bad of a position as long as we can develop what we now have.

 

[gringo2011]

* it doesn't take much for you to do a complete 180 man. Only a couple of weeks ago I was arguing with you that our midfield wasn't good enough and you were telling me it was.

Nothing is ever as bad or as good as it can seem.

We've taken plenty of mids over the two years. If we develop them right we will have our own Caleb Serongs in 12 to 24 months.

Port never bottomed out and have the best young midfield in the comp.

Not much we can do about past mistakes now but we really aren't in that bad of a position as long as we can develop what we now have.

There is an issue with depth but we can still compete with most if we have everyone fit a firing, it just doesn't happen often that you get through a full season without injury. I think it's depth and quality outside the 3 inside mids as much as anything.

It's the lack of drafting them 4 years ago that mean there aren't any ready to come through. The semi developed guys are Bytel and Leo. Then recent kids that should be peaking in about 2025 to 2028 in Windy, Owens, Pou, Hotton etc. That's if they end up all making it as mids. Owens is the closest to dominating his role so far and that is still to be decided as to wether he can do it as a mid.

You are just as inconsistent..... we have to rip down the walls but are in a great place.

 

[bird_man]

There is an issue with depth but we can still compete with most if we have everyone fit a firing, it just doesn't happen often that you get through a full season without injury. I think it's depth and quality outside the 3 inside mids as much as anything.

It's the lack of drafting them 4 years ago that mean there aren't any ready to come through. The semi developed guys are Bytel and Leo. Then recent kids that should be peaking in about 2025 to 2028 in Windy, Owens, Pou, Hotton etc. That's if they end up all making it as mids. Owens is the closest to dominating his role so far and that is still to be decided as to wether he can do it as a mid.

You are just as inconsistent..... we have to rip down the walls but are in a great place.

Then that's why we start giving these kids midfield time, so when 2 years goes by they are 100% ready to go.

I think I've been very consistent with my views about the midfield.

You don't have to wait until their 4th or 5th year to be playing them through the middle.

Seb Ross has averaged about 15 touches over the last month while Windhager has completely dominated games in the VFL. Owens has the best centre clearance percentage in our side despite mostly playing as a ruck in there.

I can't disagree with you more that the depth is the issue. It's the lack of top end talent.

 

[gringo2011]

Then that's why we start giving these kids midfield time, so when 2 years goes by they are 100% ready to go.

I think I've been very consistent with my views about the midfield.

You don't have to wait until their 4th or 5th year to be playing them through the middle.

Seb Ross has averaged about 15 touches over the last month while Windhager has completely dominated games in the VFL. Owens has the best centre clearance percentage in our side despite mostly playing as a ruck in there.

I can't disagree with you more that the depth is the issue. It's the lack of top end talent.

Of course you feed them in which we are but dropping them in and expecting them to own a spot doesn't usually pay off straight away. Hopefully Windy can defy history and be one that does.

 

[bird_man]

Of course you feed them in which we are but dropping them in and expecting them to own a spot doesn't usually pay off straight away. Hopefully Windy can defy history and be one that does.

No one has suggested we play them at every centre bounce, but I'm not sure putting them in for one centre bounce a game is going to do a lot for their development either. That's not what I'd call feeding them in.

 

[WhiskySaint]

Then that's why we start giving these kids midfield time, so when 2 years goes by they are 100% ready to go.

I think I've been very consistent with my views about the midfield.

You don't have to wait until their 4th or 5th year to be playing them through the middle.

Seb Ross has averaged about 15 touches over the last month while Windhager has completely dominated games in the VFL. Owens has the best centre clearance percentage in our side despite mostly playing as a ruck in there.

I can't disagree with you more that the depth is the issue. It's the lack of top end talent.

Of course you feed them in which we are but dropping them in and expecting them to own a spot doesn't usually pay off straight away. Hopefully Windy can defy history and be one that does.

This discussion kinda goes to a question I’ve got.


How would we feel as supporters is we played the kids in the midfield and because of this we missed final?

I’m personally fine with it as long as we’re hitting the draft.