List Mgmt. 2023 Trade Thread - Part IV

[EddieMurphy]

ohhhh mid season trading - Shiel can be got in June

He's falling apart, by mid season next year he will be sharing a room with DMac at Healing Hans sanitorium in Germany.

 

[Ekomaira]

What have we ended up with? 3 3rds?

yeah 3 3rds. Resource - FUTURE PICKS - 2024 Provisional AFL Draft Order (based on 2023 ladder)

 

[St Neil]

A Pick 3 and a pick 8 walk out the door for a packet of twisties each having significantly underachieved. Why we have struggled so much over the last decade.

But we bought in a pick 3 (Dow) and pick 9 (Henry).

Swings and roundabouts.

 

[tomjoad]

As the smoke clears and screams die out, Hunter Clark and Ben Paton slowly rise out of the bushes and, exchanging relieved looks, creep ever forward.

Whilst McKenzie is left to pick up his own crutches, realises he can't and starts clawing at the ground, fingernails white with tension and exhaustion, gasping for sweet air, as his poor legs flop feebly behind him; birds prey circling him from above in anticipation. The light of the sun, though not hot...blinds his eyes. McKenzie, determined to the last, cries in anguish.
"Wait guys...I'm also here."
Clark and Paton exchange looks. Paton imploring Clark to go back and help with their fallen comrade.
Clark, eyes hazy but full of steely resolve lights up a beadie and inhales it's god awful smoke.
"Do what you want Pato...I signed a two year extension but narry two weeks ago"
Paton stares at his friend curiously, looking behind Clark as McKenzie perseveres, sweat upon his brow, slowing and tremulously inching his way forward to what he believes will be both salvation and redemption.
" But why...why were you hiding in the bushes." Paton asks, voice quivering.
"I wasn't hiding...it's just where I sleep sometimes."

* Slow work day for me.

 

[triggering bro]

You don’t think we’d have looked better in that final with Billings playing instead of Pou or windy who were completely out of their depth?

We’re still paying the contract so what do we gain? One more spot from the VFL pool.

Short term I agree. But playing Billings wouldn’t have been the difference between winning and losing verses GWS.

RTB playing the long game. Didn’t see him as current best 22 or future best 22.

We gain paying a rookie 100k and getting games and gym sessions into him rather than a few extra 100k for an older bloke switching between rehab and reserves.

 

[EddieMurphy]

I rated him early this year. Looked banged up and slow by the end of the year. I reckon if he starts like he finished he's going to be struggling to play regular footy.

Noticed him much more in a bad way towards the end of the year.

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

To go with the mccartin, Goddard, lonie - only McKenzie from that hanging by a thread.

Just pretend we drafted Sinclair at number 1 in 2014.

 

[PoppedCorn]

Pay player A 500k to play reserves and take a list a spot
Or
Pay player A 250k to play somewhere else and not take up a list spot.
This is player A who didnt want to be at your club


Not a very hard or emotional decision

 

[Saintpav]

Richo: Nah yeah. Jack is gonna be a rule bewdy.

He he is.

Hey Jack young lad, come over and meet your new team mate, Steven May

1

Steven May

Age

32

Ht

193cm

Wt

101kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.7

4star

K

10.5

4star

HB

4.2

3star

M

5.1

5star

T

1.5

3star

MG

307.3

4star

D

15.5

4star

K

12.1

5star

HB

3.4

2star

M

3.4

3star

T

0.5

1star

MG

378.4

5star

D

12.4

4star

K

8.8

4star

HB

3.6

3star

M

3.2

4star

T

1.8

4star

.

 

[EddieMurphy]

Whilst McKenzie is left to pick up his own crutches, realises he can't and starts clawing at the ground, fingernails white with tension and exhaustion, gasping for sweet air, as his poor legs flop feebly behind him; birds prey circling him from above in anticipation. The light of the sun, though not hot...blinds his eyes. McKenzie, determined to the last, cries in anguish.
"Wait guys...I'm also here."
Clark and Paton exchange looks. Paton imploring Clark to go back and help with their fallen comrade.
Clark, eyes hazy but full of steely resolve lights up a beadie and inhales it's god awful smoke.
"Do what you want Pato...I signed a two year extension but narry two weeks ago"
Paton stares at his friend curiously, looking behind Clark as McKenzie perseveres, sweat upon his brow, slowing and tremulously inching his way forward to what he believes will be both salvation and redemption.
" But why...why were you hiding in the bushes." Paton asks, voice quivering.
"I wasn't hiding...it's just where I sleep sometimes."

* Slow work day for me.

The list managers only come out at night, mostly...

 

[Hayes4PM]

Did we win? Did we win the trade period?

 

[ronnysnodgrass]

A Pick 3 and a pick 8 walk out the door for a packet of twisties each having significantly underachieved. Why we have struggled so much over the last decade.

We got a pick 3 and a pick 9 for not much as well tbf. Kinda how it works.

 

[StCicatriz]

He’s not best 22
He’s injury prone
He’s on a fair whack of a contract
Turns 29 next year
Wants a fresh start

Take the emotion out of it and it’s a sensible trade.

too much sense in here

legacy contract is the issue. moving some of it on whilst we can get something for him is a good deal.

id rather him gone and pay some of his contract than have him at sandy with the whole of his contract.

 

[bergholt]

Actually just looking at this, we've closed the book on two fairly undistinguished off-seasons.


2013 off-season: Billings, Dunstan, Acres, Templeton, Weller, Holmes, Bruce, Delaney, Longer, Savage

DONE with Billings leaving


2015 off-season: Gresham, White, Rice, O'Kearney, Coughlan, Carlisle, Freeman

DONE with Gresham leaving


And now down to only two remaining from a couple of other off-seasons.


2017 off-season: Clark, Coffield, Clavarino, Paton, Langlands, Austin

2018 off-season: King, Bytel, Parker, Hind, Young, Wilkie, Marsh, Rowe, Mayo, Hannebery, Kent, Alabakis


Ah the memories.

 

[bird_man]

yeah 3 3rds. Resource - FUTURE PICKS - 2024 Provisional AFL Draft Order (based on 2023 ladder)

Hopefully we can bundle them up to get back into the second round

 

[Madmax262]

With regard to paying Billings' salary, it could be a token amount we are paying.

He still had two years on his contract so chances were he would under perform in 2024 before coming good in 2025 - the year he needs a new contract.
Another consideration is, getting rid of his contract, frees up the bulk of his salary which could be used to reward others and possibly fend of Adelaide and Port trying to poach our SA stars

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

You don’t think we’d have looked better in that final with Billings playing instead of Pou or windy who were completely out of their depth?

We’re still paying the contract so what do we gain? One more spot from the VFL pool.

We might have looked better, but the development of Pou and Windy was far more important.

Those are 2 lads who are the future, not the past.

The list spot billings had is worth more to upgrade Mason Wood to senior list and then get a new player in 2024.

 

[Saintpav]

In reality pick 3 in the 2013 draft was:

Billings + Sinclair.

 

[Pardon me]

Actually just looking at this, we've closed the book on two fairly undistinguished off-seasons.


2013 off-season: Billings, Dunstan, Acres, Templeton, Weller, Holmes, Bruce, Delaney, Longer, Savage

DONE with Billings leaving


2015 off-season: Gresham, White, Rice, O'Kearney, Coughlan, Carlisle, Freeman

DONE with Gresham leaving


And now down to only two remaining from a couple of other off-seasons.


2017 off-season: Clark, Coffield, Clavarino, Paton, Langlands, Austin

2018 off-season: King, Bytel, Parker, Hind, Young, Wilkie, Marsh, Rowe, Mayo, Hannebery, Kent, Alabakis


Ah the memories.

I know it's cherry picking but jeebus thats some ordinary years

 

[Mowman]

Jesus that just what we don't need. There are so many more needs than another King.

Bailey Smith

 

[Rickee]

Unless we finish bottom 6 and he is wearing a premiership medallion next year. Then he's a massive campaigner and Sos is massive idiot.

He's got a chance of a flag



At Casey.

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

I know it's cherry picking but jeebus thats some ordinary years

You can look at 2011 to 2020 for a real fun time

We had an ordinary decade at draft time.

 

[DougalHoward]

We go into next year with Dougal still our number 1 key defender thankfully

 

[Miha]

We go into next year with Dougal still our number 1 key defender thankfully

Your user name and avatar live to fight another day

 

[austinnn]

Recently I took a whole section of stuff we'd accumulated to the rubbish tip. Kids toys with a bit missing, clothes that were a bit torn, random things that you buy because you yhink it will be handy but never use.

Most of it still functioned more or less ok, but not to the point you could sell it, and even if you gave it away you might get a bit of a dirty look from the receiver. It was just clogging up our garage as it had been for years, so we made the decision to get rid of it.

I went to the tip and there were queues of people doing the same. Things thst were a bit old and shabby, stuff that probably some more unfortunate people in society would be happy to take, but there were none of those people around. It was a bit sad to see all the waste, but that's life. You deal with it or reject society and become a womble or something.

As hard as it was to write all the cost of buying that stuff off and the years of holding onto it in futile hope, it felt good getting that space in the garage back and starting anew.

I think Jack Billings

14

Jack Billings

Age

29

Ht

185cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.3

5star

K

11.5

4star

HB

9.8

5star

M

5.1

5star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.3

3star

D

19.7

5star

K

11.7

5star

HB

8.0

4star

M

4.7

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

2.3

4star

D

13.8

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

4.6

4star

M

5.2

5star

T

1.6

4star

CL

0.0

1star

is the one player of the few we've said goodbye to this year who symbolises this for me. I hope someone somewhere finds a use for them all. I'm happy for our club to be rid of a lot of the "meh" section of our list, I'd have got rid of many more truth be told but we must be sensible and not do a North Melbourne - despite the benefits they got. Plus there's always next year!

Gresham
Coffield
Billings
Bytel
Peris
Connolly
Adams

A few players we will still need to find replacements for unless something surprises us next year
Clark
Howard
Ross
Jones
Paton
McKenzie
Highmore
Hayes
Cordy
Membrey
Allison

Plus Webster, Crouch, Steele, Sinclair, Marshallare all going to be around 29-30 this time next year, need to get cracking with the next gen.

As for the concept that Gresh, JB and Coff "wanted to leave" - maybe. But only because it suited us. JB in particular has had very a comfy career so far, if he's suddenly decided he's desperate to get out, why should that possibly be? If you look on his back you'll probably see the palm prints of RTB. Probably fair enough too. That takes me back to the start of my post.

 

[Armitage2Riewoldt]

Actually just looking at this, we've closed the book on two fairly undistinguished off-seasons.


2013 off-season: Billings, Dunstan, Acres, Templeton, Weller, Holmes, Bruce, Delaney, Longer, Savage

DONE with Billings leaving


2015 off-season: Gresham, White, Rice, O'Kearney, Coughlan, Carlisle, Freeman

DONE with Gresham leaving


And now down to only two remaining from a couple of other off-seasons.


2017 off-season: Clark, Coffield, Clavarino, Paton, Langlands, Austin

2018 off-season: King, Bytel, Parker, Hind, Young, Wilkie, Marsh, Rowe, Mayo, Hannebery, Kent, Alabakis


Ah the memories.

God there's some names I hadn't thought about in a while there. Wasn't NOK gonna be a gun just needed some size? I don't even remember coughlan...

I suppose 2014 has Sincs and 2016 has battle and Marshall so those years will always at least have one win attachéd.