Resource 2024 AFL Draft discussion thread (Wed Nov 20 to Fri Nov 22)

[1990crow]

Tyler Welsh has an attitude problem?

Has he been full time?

He quit school to focus on footy. So effectively full time.
How much of the AFL program he's done I'm not certain, but he had clearance to be in our sanfl side so presumably had access to full club program and resources.

If he hasn't then that would be disappointing.

He's a top notch talent. Kicks like a mule, good tackler, high level contested mark, knows when to lead, can play CHF and FF equally well and does things very few footballers can.
But that's not enough in the AFL. You need to be fit enough to make the above happen.

Right now Tyler is no where near it. Which is why he's in conversation of not getting drafted instead of being a top 10 selection which by his talent he should be.

 

[AFC979810]

No, I'm saying they are, but not necessarily because they were on club lists of players they wanted to see. They get invited because they're high end talents even if they've not been included on enough club lists.

Fair enough..... The national combine is the be all and end all.

Anyone care to discuss why we took Charlie Edwards at pick 21??? I mean this spud wasnt invited to the National Combine even though he had an amazing 2km time trial of 6:24 (only 13 seconds behind NED!).

Struggling to understanding the reasoning that all these draft experts have. I think the answer is that they know jack sh.......t, but waiting to confirm.

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

Or maybe labelling someone unfit that can run an 8 minute 2km is just not correct by any statistical measure? Or is ChatGPT wrong?

Why on earth would try to check this using ChatGPT?

It’s not a search engine, and regularly produces incorrect information

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Fair enough..... The national combine is the be all and end all.

Anyone care to discuss why we took Charlie Edwards at pick 21??? I mean this spud wasnt invited to the National Combine even though he had an amazing 2km time trial of 6:24 (only 13 seconds behind NED!).

Struggling to understanding the reasoning that all these draft experts have. I think the answer is that they know jack sh.......t, but waiting to confirm.

Let’s see where he gets drafted and you can save your grandstanding for then

 

[cleanhands]

 

[Jeffcrowe]

I don’t know , if it was me and not one club including the crows had given me a guarantee of being drafted I’d finish off the last 5 weeks of the season to get to combine ( especially as I’ve only been invited to state combine ) , PB not even needed . Just in reasonable shape and able to get somewhere close to prev results and look the part physically … like a guy that’s about to start a pre season next month

To me this summarises why the Vics and even allies ( due to academies ) are way more advanced than SA kids these days

 

[Amacca 23]

So lockett would of failed because he couldnt run an 8 min 2 km what a crock of sh@t that is laughable

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[cleanhands]

So lockett would of failed because he couldnt run an 8 min 2 km what a crock of sh@t that is laughable

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Too much emphasis put on this draft stuff

 

[AFC979810]

JFC. This isn’t that difficult a concept. We aren’t comparing Tyler to the general population. We are comparing him to his peers, you know, the people he will be playing and judged against, having regard to the professional competition they all aspire to be playing in.

And his peers shit all over his time from a great height.

You’ve clearly never played football, or have any idea how badly fatigue affects skills level. No point being able to football if you’re too tired to be able to compete.

And he won’t be standing you or I - he’ll be standing players who can chew through the kms and will punish him.

It’s laughable that you think his times aren’t concerning from a fitness perspective. And it’s even more alarming that he would let himself get to this position before he’s even drafted while under our clubs umbrella all year - a huge red flag for his attitude.

Do I hope he gets it right? Absolutely. But he’ll be coming from a long way back, and there are now valid concerns about whether he’s committed enough to do so.

What a terrible take. What does a 2km time trial have to do with how a forward can succeed at AFL level.

Shit - we spent two high end draft picks on players with elite 2km time trials (Ned/Jones) and they both turned out to be absolute spuds.

And once more - he kicked 5 goals as a 17 year old at SANFL 6weeks ago. JFC

Let’s see where he gets drafted and you can save your grandstanding for then

Hey- stop stealing my position! I am saying lets wait - you are the one saying 17 teams dont want him! Ya gotta remember that Jeffrey!

 

[PeterSalt]

Fogs time does come with an asterix, he took an uber for the last k

Didn't Fog have a meniscus injury in his draft year?

 

[1990crow]

So lockett would of failed because he couldnt run an 8 min 2 km what a crock of sh@t that is laughable

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1980s and 1990s VFL/AFL may as well be a different sport. He wouldn't get a kick in modern afl.

 

[Sizzlepack]

So lockett would of failed because he couldnt run an 8 min 2 km what a crock of sh@t that is laughable

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I think people would be quite surprised by how Lockett would fare in today's AFL. It's a very different sport these days.

 

[rabidcrow]

He’s looked overweight all year. Big red flag

He looks massive in the interview


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[cleanhands]

I think people would be quite surprised by how Lockett would fare in today's AFL. It's a very different sport these days.

Put him in the system he’d be fine

 

[Amacca 23]

JFC. This isn’t that difficult a concept. We aren’t comparing Tyler to the general population. We are comparing him to his peers, you know, the people he will be playing and judged against, having regard to the professional competition they all aspire to be playing in.

And his peers shit all over his time from a great height.

You’ve clearly never played football, or have any idea how badly fatigue affects skills level. No point being able to football if you’re too tired to be able to compete.

And he won’t be standing you or I - he’ll be standing players who can chew through the kms and will punish him.

It’s laughable that you think his times aren’t concerning from a fitness perspective. And it’s even more alarming that he would let himself get to this position before he’s even drafted while under our clubs umbrella all year - a huge red flag for his attitude.

Do I hope he gets it right? Absolutely. But he’ll be coming from a long way back, and there are now valid concerns about whether he’s committed enough to do so.

Ill take someone who can get the ball and kick straight over someone who can run a good 2km time trial anyday and also has a burst of speed and knows when to lead , footy iq shits over that other crap

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[Peter Doherty]

He quit school to focus on footy. So effectively full time.
How much of the AFL program he's done I'm not certain, but he had clearance to be in our sanfl side so presumably had access to full club program and resources.

If he hasn't then that would be disappointing.

He's a top notch talent. Kicks like a mule, good tackler, high level contested mark, knows when to lead, can play CHF and FF equally well and does things very few footballers can.
But that's not enough in the AFL. You need to be fit enough to make the above happen.

Right now Tyler is no where near it. Which is why he's in conversation of not getting drafted instead of being a top 10 selection which by his talent he should be.

You were saying he could go top 3 not long ago and now he has an attitude problem.

If ever there was an advertisement for it's never as bad as you think and it's never as good as you think...

 

[Jeffcrowe]

1980s and 1990s VFL/AFL may as well be a different sport. He wouldn't get a kick in modern afl.

he would have had to get much fitter to survive , dunstall too

and if they did they still be great players but not without the endurance

 

[AFC979810]

Sorry Tyler Welsh - Hamish has spoken!

 

[WaynesWorld19]

So lockett would of failed because he couldnt run an 8 min 2 km what a crock of sh@t that is laughable

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Both Lockett and Dunstall, despite their big frames ....were extremely quick over the first 5 mtrs ....it gave them a distinct advantage in the day

 

[rabidcrow]

It's a poor look. I'd be shocked if we are asked him to tank. It sets a fairly poor set of standards.

I think Tyler is in for a shock next year. He has known for a few years he will most likely drafted but in the AFL world that is only step one. As they always say from day 1 everyone is even. Your AFL career can be over quickly.

He has been with the team all year - surely any weight issues or attitude issues would be addressed by now?


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[AFC979810]

Both Lockett and Dunstall, despite their big frames ....were extremely quick over the first 5 mtrs ....it gave them a distinct advantage in the day

Very different to Welsh.... what was his 20meter time again?

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Ill take someone who can get the ball and kick straight over someone who can run a good 2km time trial anyday and also has a burst of speed and knows when to lead , footy iq shits over that other crap

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wouldn't even bother with burgess or a pre season then

 

[Sizzlepack]

Put him in the system he’d be fine

Sure, but the assertion from combine sceptics always seems to be that Lockett, at the condition he was throughout his career, would still dominate. He absolutely wouldn't. He's a hell of a lot fitter now than when he was playing.

 

[1990crow]

he would have had to get much fitter to survive , dunstall too

and if they did they still be great players but not without the endurance

That's the discussion we are having here with Welsh. Supreme talent, but can't run.

Early 2023 he was running on top of the ground and looked a top 5 talent.
But he did his back in late that year and looked a completely different player.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

You were saying he could go top 3 not long ago and now he has an attitude problem.

If ever there was an advertisement for it's never as bad as you think and it's never as good as you think...

how could he not have an attitude problem though? surely its obvious

professionalism isn't a switch, he's old enough and had enough exposure by now