List Mgmt. 2024 AFL Draft

[Andre]

Lol what.

Your maths is completely wrong. How does the bottom team have that many points? Under current points (which I’m assuming your using cause otherwise what?) pick 1 is 3000 and the 2nd 3rd and 4 rounders don’t add up to 3000 lol. Approx around 1600 but in reality compo pushes those back so it’s gonna be much less.


Absolutely under a points draft system teams with less need for as many players can just big big on the best players. Either snapping them up or driving the price up so bottom teams pay through the nose for them.

Points table, as it is currently. 18th gets picks 1, 19, 37, 55, 73, 91 of points with values, would get instead 3000+1164+704+420+213+48 = 5549 points

Take a middle of the road 9th = 10, 28, 46,64,82 = 1590+899+549+310+126 = 3474 points. 2000 odd points off 1st, so that's 2 players worth pick 25ish.

Take a top 4 side - stretch it to 4th to maximise points = picks 15, 33, 51, 69, 87 = 1323+784+475+254+82 = 2918 points, now would need to ditch 3 of their 'good, but not A grade' players to get up to challenging first for points to work with in one draft.

 

[philthy05]

Points table, as it is currently. 18th gets picks 1, 19, 37, 55, 73, 91 of points with values, would get instead 3000+1164+704+420+213+48 = 5549 points

Take a middle of the road 9th = 10, 28, 46,64,82 = 1590+899+549+310+126 = 3474 points. 2000 odd points off 1st, so that's 2 players worth pick 25ish.

Take a top 4 side - stretch it to 4th to maximise points = picks 15, 33, 51, 69, 87 = 1323+784+475+254+82 = 2918 points, now would need to ditch 3 of their 'good, but not A grade' players to get up to challenging first for points to work with in one draft.

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Where did you get that points table from because this one says something different and I’m sure it’s accurate

This why you picked GC, Dimma? How SIX stars set to compromise AFL Draft more than ever — bid system explained

This why you picked GC, Dimma? SIX stars set to compromise AFL Draft more than ever

www.foxsports.com.au

https://s.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/AFL/Files/biddingsystemfeedback.pdf

This one on the afl site also matches the fox sports one


Whatever you’ve got is incorrect. I immediately recognised it as incorrect as there’s never been picks with values in the 90s lol. It always ended around pick 70 ish.

 

[Holden Hillbilly]

Potential changes being floated by list bosses include:

- teams being able to match bids for Next Generation Academy players after pick 20, rather than after pick 40, or even no limitation at all like the Jamarra Ugle-Hagan draft;

- reduced discounts for father-son bid matching;

- limitations on how many picks can be used to match a bid;

- a reduction in how many picks have a points value, instead of the current system where selections all the way down to pick 73 are valued.

That list boss also highlighted that it’s impossible to make the system even and that other clubs have benefited from teams manoeuvring including the Western Bulldogs landing Pick 6 last year as part of Gold Coast splitting its opening selection.

Below are the clubs that could be most affected by changes to the 2024 draft and how they’re currently placed to land their prospects.

Brisbane’s bids
Current picks: 6, 44, 63 (2225 points)

Levi Ashcroft (father-son, estimated top 3)

If bid made at 3, would need 1787 points

Sam Marshall (Academy, estimated pick 15-20)

If bid made at 17, would need 820 points

Given their form, the Lions’ first-round pick is unlikely to be as high as pick 6 on draft night anyway. But in either case, they would be expected to trade down the order to gather more points, as it is more efficient points-wise and teams never want to use top-10 picks for bid matching.
As an example, in 2022 the Lions traded away pick 25 to Geelong, receiving picks 38, 48, 55 and two future selections.

Carlton’s bids
Current picks: 17, 37, 64, 66, 68 (1748 points)

Ben Camporeale (father-son, estimated 15-20)

If bid made at 17, would need 820 points

Lucas Camporeale (father-son, estimated 30-35)

If bid made at 32, would need 387 points

The Blues clearly started planning for the Camporeale twins last year, obtaining three fourth-round picks - which are almost irrelevant for teams picking players, but much more valuable for matching bids, especially since they can move up the order on draft night as other bids are matched. As it stands they have plenty of points though they could also choose to trade out their first-round pick, since it will likely fall around the point where Ben will receive a bid.
In an ideal world they would trade down from 17 - like last year, when Gold Coast sent out 11, but got 14, 27 and 35 - to match the Ben bid, then draft a player in the 20s, before matching the Lucas bid in the 30s with later selections.

Gold Coast’s bid
Current picks: 8, 10, 20, 26, 30, 54, 62 (5559 points)

Leo Lombard (Academy, estimated 5-10)

If bid made at 7, would need 1315 points

Even though the Suns have more than enough points to acquire Lombard, they’re likely to trade out at least one of their first-round picks, because they wouldn’t want it used while matching the bid. Something like last year, when the Suns traded away 11 and received 14, 27 and 35, makes plenty of sense, and they could even try and trade back up the order on draft night once the Lombard bid has gone through.

GWS’ bid
Current picks: 11, 31, 49, 55, 67 (2498 points)

Logan Smith (Academy, estimated 25-30)

If bid made at 27, would need 506 points

The most likely scenario would be the Giants using their natural first-round pick, and then hoping Smith slides until after their second selection (currently 31), since they could then comfortably match the bid with their three late picks.

Adelaide’s bid
Current picks: 4, 29, 42, 60 (3228 points)

Tyler Welsh (father-son, estimated 30-35)

If bid made at 32, would need 387 points

Similar to the Giants, the Crows would want to use the juicy first-round pick they’ll receive for their disappointing 2024 campaign, and then match the Welsh bid with late picks. Picks 42 and 60 by themselves would be enough to match a Welsh bid made anywhere after pick 26.

Why AFL clubs are fuming over sudden draft changes... and who it’ll hurt most — Draft Watch

Why AFL clubs are fuming over sudden draft changes, and who it’ll hurt: Draft Watch

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[Revan11]

Potential changes being floated by list bosses include:

- teams being able to match bids for Next Generation Academy players after pick 20, rather than after pick 40, or even no limitation at all like the Jamarra Ugle-Hagan draft;

- reduced discounts for father-son bid matching;

- limitations on how many picks can be used to match a bid;

- a reduction in how many picks have a points value, instead of the current system where selections all the way down to pick 73 are valued.

That list boss also highlighted that it’s impossible to make the system even and that other clubs have benefited from teams manoeuvring including the Western Bulldogs landing Pick 6 last year as part of Gold Coast splitting its opening selection.

Below are the clubs that could be most affected by changes to the 2024 draft and how they’re currently placed to land their prospects.

Brisbane’s bids
Current picks: 6, 44, 63 (2225 points)

Levi Ashcroft (father-son, estimated top 3)

If bid made at 3, would need 1787 points

Sam Marshall (Academy, estimated pick 15-20)

If bid made at 17, would need 820 points

Given their form, the Lions’ first-round pick is unlikely to be as high as pick 6 on draft night anyway. But in either case, they would be expected to trade down the order to gather more points, as it is more efficient points-wise and teams never want to use top-10 picks for bid matching.
As an example, in 2022 the Lions traded away pick 25 to Geelong, receiving picks 38, 48, 55 and two future selections.

Carlton’s bids
Current picks: 17, 37, 64, 66, 68 (1748 points)

Ben Camporeale (father-son, estimated 15-20)

If bid made at 17, would need 820 points

Lucas Camporeale (father-son, estimated 30-35)

If bid made at 32, would need 387 points

The Blues clearly started planning for the Camporeale twins last year, obtaining three fourth-round picks - which are almost irrelevant for teams picking players, but much more valuable for matching bids, especially since they can move up the order on draft night as other bids are matched. As it stands they have plenty of points though they could also choose to trade out their first-round pick, since it will likely fall around the point where Ben will receive a bid.
In an ideal world they would trade down from 17 - like last year, when Gold Coast sent out 11, but got 14, 27 and 35 - to match the Ben bid, then draft a player in the 20s, before matching the Lucas bid in the 30s with later selections.

Gold Coast’s bid
Current picks: 8, 10, 20, 26, 30, 54, 62 (5559 points)

Leo Lombard (Academy, estimated 5-10)

If bid made at 7, would need 1315 points

Even though the Suns have more than enough points to acquire Lombard, they’re likely to trade out at least one of their first-round picks, because they wouldn’t want it used while matching the bid. Something like last year, when the Suns traded away 11 and received 14, 27 and 35, makes plenty of sense, and they could even try and trade back up the order on draft night once the Lombard bid has gone through.

GWS’ bid
Current picks: 11, 31, 49, 55, 67 (2498 points)

Logan Smith (Academy, estimated 25-30)

If bid made at 27, would need 506 points

The most likely scenario would be the Giants using their natural first-round pick, and then hoping Smith slides until after their second selection (currently 31), since they could then comfortably match the bid with their three late picks.

Adelaide’s bid
Current picks: 4, 29, 42, 60 (3228 points)

Tyler Welsh (father-son, estimated 30-35)

If bid made at 32, would need 387 points

Similar to the Giants, the Crows would want to use the juicy first-round pick they’ll receive for their disappointing 2024 campaign, and then match the Welsh bid with late picks. Picks 42 and 60 by themselves would be enough to match a Welsh bid made anywhere after pick 26.

Why AFL clubs are fuming over sudden draft changes... and who it’ll hurt most — Draft Watch

Why AFL clubs are fuming over sudden draft changes, and who it’ll hurt: Draft Watch

www.foxsports.com.au

Cry me a river it’s not even that bad for those clubs.

 

[Long live PAFC]

Surely just remove the discount and add a penalty if taken in the top five, top ten, remainder of the first round.

Ie Levi would have to pay pick one plus 10% if he got taken at pick one. They get their player and take a hit.

So Gold Coast could have got their four last year but it would wipe them this year. So they would have to give up something or be wiped again for Leo. Clubs still get their player and the benefit of the work they’ve put in but they can’t have their cake and eat it. It would mean clubs may think more about which players they take and probably encourages other clubs to bid closer to a player’s worth.

They also need to tidy up the academies and the eligibility.