List Mgmt. 2024 AFL Draft

[Andre]

Lol what.

Your maths is completely wrong. How does the bottom team have that many points? Under current points (which I’m assuming your using cause otherwise what?) pick 1 is 3000 and the 2nd 3rd and 4 rounders don’t add up to 3000 lol. Approx around 1600 but in reality compo pushes those back so it’s gonna be much less.


Absolutely under a points draft system teams with less need for as many players can just big big on the best players. Either snapping them up or driving the price up so bottom teams pay through the nose for them.

Points table, as it is currently. 18th gets picks 1, 19, 37, 55, 73, 91 of points with values, would get instead 3000+1164+704+420+213+48 = 5549 points

Take a middle of the road 9th = 10, 28, 46,64,82 = 1590+899+549+310+126 = 3474 points. 2000 odd points off 1st, so that's 2 players worth pick 25ish.

Take a top 4 side - stretch it to 4th to maximise points = picks 15, 33, 51, 69, 87 = 1323+784+475+254+82 = 2918 points, now would need to ditch 3 of their 'good, but not A grade' players to get up to challenging first for points to work with in one draft.

 

[philthy05]

Points table, as it is currently. 18th gets picks 1, 19, 37, 55, 73, 91 of points with values, would get instead 3000+1164+704+420+213+48 = 5549 points

Take a middle of the road 9th = 10, 28, 46,64,82 = 1590+899+549+310+126 = 3474 points. 2000 odd points off 1st, so that's 2 players worth pick 25ish.

Take a top 4 side - stretch it to 4th to maximise points = picks 15, 33, 51, 69, 87 = 1323+784+475+254+82 = 2918 points, now would need to ditch 3 of their 'good, but not A grade' players to get up to challenging first for points to work with in one draft.

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Where did you get that points table from because this one says something different and I’m sure it’s accurate

This why you picked GC, Dimma? How SIX stars set to compromise AFL Draft more than ever — bid system explained

This why you picked GC, Dimma? SIX stars set to compromise AFL Draft more than ever

www.foxsports.com.au

https://s.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/AFL/Files/biddingsystemfeedback.pdf

This one on the afl site also matches the fox sports one


Whatever you’ve got is incorrect. I immediately recognised it as incorrect as there’s never been picks with values in the 90s lol. It always ended around pick 70 ish.

 

[Holden Hillbilly]

Potential changes being floated by list bosses include:

- teams being able to match bids for Next Generation Academy players after pick 20, rather than after pick 40, or even no limitation at all like the Jamarra Ugle-Hagan draft;

- reduced discounts for father-son bid matching;

- limitations on how many picks can be used to match a bid;

- a reduction in how many picks have a points value, instead of the current system where selections all the way down to pick 73 are valued.

That list boss also highlighted that it’s impossible to make the system even and that other clubs have benefited from teams manoeuvring including the Western Bulldogs landing Pick 6 last year as part of Gold Coast splitting its opening selection.

Below are the clubs that could be most affected by changes to the 2024 draft and how they’re currently placed to land their prospects.

Brisbane’s bids
Current picks: 6, 44, 63 (2225 points)

Levi Ashcroft (father-son, estimated top 3)

If bid made at 3, would need 1787 points

Sam Marshall (Academy, estimated pick 15-20)

If bid made at 17, would need 820 points

Given their form, the Lions’ first-round pick is unlikely to be as high as pick 6 on draft night anyway. But in either case, they would be expected to trade down the order to gather more points, as it is more efficient points-wise and teams never want to use top-10 picks for bid matching.
As an example, in 2022 the Lions traded away pick 25 to Geelong, receiving picks 38, 48, 55 and two future selections.

Carlton’s bids
Current picks: 17, 37, 64, 66, 68 (1748 points)

Ben Camporeale (father-son, estimated 15-20)

If bid made at 17, would need 820 points

Lucas Camporeale (father-son, estimated 30-35)

If bid made at 32, would need 387 points

The Blues clearly started planning for the Camporeale twins last year, obtaining three fourth-round picks - which are almost irrelevant for teams picking players, but much more valuable for matching bids, especially since they can move up the order on draft night as other bids are matched. As it stands they have plenty of points though they could also choose to trade out their first-round pick, since it will likely fall around the point where Ben will receive a bid.
In an ideal world they would trade down from 17 - like last year, when Gold Coast sent out 11, but got 14, 27 and 35 - to match the Ben bid, then draft a player in the 20s, before matching the Lucas bid in the 30s with later selections.

Gold Coast’s bid
Current picks: 8, 10, 20, 26, 30, 54, 62 (5559 points)

Leo Lombard (Academy, estimated 5-10)

If bid made at 7, would need 1315 points

Even though the Suns have more than enough points to acquire Lombard, they’re likely to trade out at least one of their first-round picks, because they wouldn’t want it used while matching the bid. Something like last year, when the Suns traded away 11 and received 14, 27 and 35, makes plenty of sense, and they could even try and trade back up the order on draft night once the Lombard bid has gone through.

GWS’ bid
Current picks: 11, 31, 49, 55, 67 (2498 points)

Logan Smith (Academy, estimated 25-30)

If bid made at 27, would need 506 points

The most likely scenario would be the Giants using their natural first-round pick, and then hoping Smith slides until after their second selection (currently 31), since they could then comfortably match the bid with their three late picks.

Adelaide’s bid
Current picks: 4, 29, 42, 60 (3228 points)

Tyler Welsh (father-son, estimated 30-35)

If bid made at 32, would need 387 points

Similar to the Giants, the Crows would want to use the juicy first-round pick they’ll receive for their disappointing 2024 campaign, and then match the Welsh bid with late picks. Picks 42 and 60 by themselves would be enough to match a Welsh bid made anywhere after pick 26.

Why AFL clubs are fuming over sudden draft changes... and who it’ll hurt most — Draft Watch

Why AFL clubs are fuming over sudden draft changes, and who it’ll hurt: Draft Watch

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[Revan11]

Potential changes being floated by list bosses include:

- teams being able to match bids for Next Generation Academy players after pick 20, rather than after pick 40, or even no limitation at all like the Jamarra Ugle-Hagan draft;

- reduced discounts for father-son bid matching;

- limitations on how many picks can be used to match a bid;

- a reduction in how many picks have a points value, instead of the current system where selections all the way down to pick 73 are valued.

That list boss also highlighted that it’s impossible to make the system even and that other clubs have benefited from teams manoeuvring including the Western Bulldogs landing Pick 6 last year as part of Gold Coast splitting its opening selection.

Below are the clubs that could be most affected by changes to the 2024 draft and how they’re currently placed to land their prospects.

Brisbane’s bids
Current picks: 6, 44, 63 (2225 points)

Levi Ashcroft (father-son, estimated top 3)

If bid made at 3, would need 1787 points

Sam Marshall (Academy, estimated pick 15-20)

If bid made at 17, would need 820 points

Given their form, the Lions’ first-round pick is unlikely to be as high as pick 6 on draft night anyway. But in either case, they would be expected to trade down the order to gather more points, as it is more efficient points-wise and teams never want to use top-10 picks for bid matching.
As an example, in 2022 the Lions traded away pick 25 to Geelong, receiving picks 38, 48, 55 and two future selections.

Carlton’s bids
Current picks: 17, 37, 64, 66, 68 (1748 points)

Ben Camporeale (father-son, estimated 15-20)

If bid made at 17, would need 820 points

Lucas Camporeale (father-son, estimated 30-35)

If bid made at 32, would need 387 points

The Blues clearly started planning for the Camporeale twins last year, obtaining three fourth-round picks - which are almost irrelevant for teams picking players, but much more valuable for matching bids, especially since they can move up the order on draft night as other bids are matched. As it stands they have plenty of points though they could also choose to trade out their first-round pick, since it will likely fall around the point where Ben will receive a bid.
In an ideal world they would trade down from 17 - like last year, when Gold Coast sent out 11, but got 14, 27 and 35 - to match the Ben bid, then draft a player in the 20s, before matching the Lucas bid in the 30s with later selections.

Gold Coast’s bid
Current picks: 8, 10, 20, 26, 30, 54, 62 (5559 points)

Leo Lombard (Academy, estimated 5-10)

If bid made at 7, would need 1315 points

Even though the Suns have more than enough points to acquire Lombard, they’re likely to trade out at least one of their first-round picks, because they wouldn’t want it used while matching the bid. Something like last year, when the Suns traded away 11 and received 14, 27 and 35, makes plenty of sense, and they could even try and trade back up the order on draft night once the Lombard bid has gone through.

GWS’ bid
Current picks: 11, 31, 49, 55, 67 (2498 points)

Logan Smith (Academy, estimated 25-30)

If bid made at 27, would need 506 points

The most likely scenario would be the Giants using their natural first-round pick, and then hoping Smith slides until after their second selection (currently 31), since they could then comfortably match the bid with their three late picks.

Adelaide’s bid
Current picks: 4, 29, 42, 60 (3228 points)

Tyler Welsh (father-son, estimated 30-35)

If bid made at 32, would need 387 points

Similar to the Giants, the Crows would want to use the juicy first-round pick they’ll receive for their disappointing 2024 campaign, and then match the Welsh bid with late picks. Picks 42 and 60 by themselves would be enough to match a Welsh bid made anywhere after pick 26.

Why AFL clubs are fuming over sudden draft changes... and who it’ll hurt most — Draft Watch

Why AFL clubs are fuming over sudden draft changes, and who it’ll hurt: Draft Watch

www.foxsports.com.au

Cry me a river it’s not even that bad for those clubs.

 

[Long live PAFC]

Surely just remove the discount and add a penalty if taken in the top five, top ten, remainder of the first round.

Ie Levi would have to pay pick one plus 10% if he got taken at pick one. They get their player and take a hit.

So Gold Coast could have got their four last year but it would wipe them this year. So they would have to give up something or be wiped again for Leo. Clubs still get their player and the benefit of the work they’ve put in but they can’t have their cake and eat it. It would mean clubs may think more about which players they take and probably encourages other clubs to bid closer to a player’s worth.

They also need to tidy up the academies and the eligibility.

 

[Holden Hillbilly]

2024 AFL U18 National Championships
South Australia v Victoria Metro 10.05am (SA time) at Alberton Oval
Live broadcast at afl.com.au and the AFL app

SOUTH AUSTRALIA

F: Charlie West, Tyler Welsh, Ned Atkinson
HF: Ned Bowman, Jacob Newton, Kade Herbert
C: Lucas Camporeale, Dyson Sharp, Dakota Sterzl
HB: Rome Burgoyne, Tate Delmenico, Louie Montgomery
B: Jett Hasting, Jacob Sheean, Angus Clarke

R: Alex Dodson, Sid Draper, Ben Camporeale

INT: Charlie Nicholls, Thomas McKay, Benny Barrett, Phoenix Hargrave, Angus Bradley, Ryan Lane-Ellis, Harry Dodd, Harry Ramm, Matt LeRay

South Australia will field at least three fresh faces for its final 2024 Marsh AFL U18 National Championships match against Victoria Metro at Alberton Oval on Sunday.

SA U18 Team Selection - Game 4 - SANFL

sanfl.com.au

 

[Deadly Darcy]

Anyone know if Brayden Crossly is going to nominate again this year? Surely to god he’s not still getting held out because he enjoys sausages?

 

[Holden Hillbilly]

SA Best: https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/spor...s/news-story/7a86f8c9328056ee380d6effcfa832a5

Alex Dodson (Sturt) 18 hit-outs, 14 disposals, four clearances, one goal

The rise of the draft’s biggest mid-season bolter continues. Dodson was everywhere in the first half kickstarting South Australia’s first goal of the game with a deft hitout and acting as his side’s fourth midfielder throughout the match. He led all comers for disposals midway through the second quarter before moving forward, where he plucked a strong grab and kicked truly from 40m out. Faded out of the game a touch in the second half but looks to be the best ruckman in the pool at this stage.

Benny Barrett (South Adelaide/Port Adelaide NGA) 10 disposals, four clearances, one goal

With a name like that you’ve got have x-factor, and Barrett has that in spades. He was the standout in the first quarter where everything he touched turned to gold. The lively small forward set the Croweaters alight by gathering on a crumb and snapping through a goal in a flash inside the first 30 seconds. An intercept mark and deft pass set up Tyler Welsh for a scoring opportunity shortly after, and then he showed his speed once again by swooping on a dropped mark to kickstart another attacking foray. The Power Next Generation Academy prospect didn’t have a great deal of influence from that point on until he was moved into the midfield in the last quarter.

Phoenix Hargrave (South Adelaide) 21 disposals, five marks, four tackles, four clearances

Continued the strong form he showed against Western Australia with another promising outing where his inside toughness was a highlight. Hargrave missed a couple of opportunities in front of goal Finished the game with a big fend off to get clear of a Vic Metro tackler and a great rundown tackle on the wing which earned him a free kick for holding the ball.

Angus Clarke (Glenelg) 21 disposals, 19 kicks, 580 metres gained

Provided plenty of dash off halfback and used the ball well by foot. On one occasion in the first quarter he spotted up a target from the kick in, got the handball back and burst through a tackler with speed. His numbers were inflated as South Australia’s designated kick-in taker but he was able to zone off an intercept as well, as he done throughout the championships. May well be SA’s second biggest riser of the champs behind Dodson.

Kade Herbert (Woodville-West Torrens) 19 disposals, seven marks, five tackles

Herbert had his best game of the championships to date, presenting well up and down the ground and applying good defensive pressure. The Eagles product set up a goal for Ned Atkinson and mowed down Tom Gross with a great tackle in the final term. Herbert has held his own at SANFL level for Woodville-West Torrens this year but hadn’t eclipsed 13 disposals in his first three games of the carnival, so this performance should help his draft stocks.

Charlie Nicholls (Central District) 10 disposals, six marks

Nicholls spent most of his time forward in the first few championships games and managed to have an impact in defence against Vic Metro. The 197cm prospect took several intercept marks for the match, showing his versatility as a tall.

 

[noobermensch]

After a slightly disappointing Champs up to now, Kade was able to show what he's all about with a solid performance in SA's final game. He works hard defensively, applying strong tackling pressure. He's strong overhead and on the ground, and capable lacing out targets by foot.

 

[RangaInTeal]

After a slightly disappointing Champs up to now, Kade was able to show what he's all about with a solid performance in SA's final game. He works hard defensively, applying strong tackling pressure. He's strong overhead and on the ground, and capable lacing out targets by foot.

Looks a throw back to the 80’s, looks a footballers footballer. Some of those kicks were hot!

 

[Ford Fairlane]

SA Best: https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/spor...s/news-story/7a86f8c9328056ee380d6effcfa832a5



Benny Barrett (South Adelaide/Port Adelaide NGA) 10 disposals, four clearances, one goal

With a name like that you’ve got have x-factor, and Barrett has that in spades. He was the standout in the first quarter where everything he touched turned to gold. The lively small forward set the Croweaters alight by gathering on a crumb and snapping through a goal in a flash inside the first 30 seconds. An intercept mark and deft pass set up Tyler Welsh for a scoring opportunity shortly after, and then he showed his speed once again by swooping on a dropped mark to kickstart another attacking foray. The Power Next Generation Academy prospect didn’t have a great deal of influence from that point on until he was moved into the midfield in the last quarter.

 

[dirty2]

Anyone know if Brayden Crossly is going to nominate again this year? Surely to god he’s not still getting held out because he enjoys sausages?

Enjoys sausages? Are you saying he is gay?

 

[Deadly Darcy]

Enjoys sausages? Are you saying he is gay?

Nah man - a la Mumford

 

[Scodges]

Have we got first dibs on him ?


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[davesnothere]

Have we got first dibs on him ?


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He gets past 40 he's ours at this piont.

That's more likely than not.

 

[Holden Hillbilly]

Central District 197cm prospect Charlie Nicholls was swung into defence with great effect against Vic Metro. After booting 2.5 from three games as a forward, Nicholls showed off his versatility by playing behind the ball and quickly adapted to the role, finishing with 10 disposals and six marks (four intercept). He looms as a second-round, potentially late first-round, draftee.

Glenelg 188cm defender Angus Clarke capped off his strong champs with a 21-disposal haul against Metro where he had a game-high 618m gained. Clarke has surprised scouts – and likely shot up a few draft boards – across the past month with his penetrating kicking, run and carry and improved defensive capabilities.

And keep an eye on high-flying 186cm Norwood forward Ned Bowman, who has a few fans at AFL club level after booting five goals from his four games for SA. More could jump on the bandwagon soon should he have a strong finish to the year.

AFL Draft Watch: Dons academy star among top-15 bolters; ‘gifted’ Murphy Reid rising up the rankings

Standout No.1 prospect emerges; Dons academy star among top-15 bolters — Draft Watch

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[philthy05]

lol so number 1 pick fancy Finn O’Sullivan is from Koroit (Drew’s hometown).

The amount of talent that comes out of that warnabool area is insane for its size.

Just off the top of my head Drew, mcluggage ugle Hagen George Steven’s and now Finn. Reckon there would be others I don’t know about.

 

[RangaInTeal]

lol so number 1 pick fancy Finn O’Sullivan is from Koroit (Drew’s hometown).

The amount of talent that comes out of that warnabool area is insane for its size.

Just off the top of my head Drew, mcluggage ugle Hagen George Steven’s and now Finn. Reckon there would be others I don’t know about.

It’s like the EP in the 80’s

Farming families with communities who live to provide for each other on Saturdays, if only that could translate into the National stage!

 

[jackag24]

lol so number 1 pick fancy Finn O’Sullivan is from Koroit (Drew’s hometown).

The amount of talent that comes out of that warnabool area is insane for its size.

Just off the top of my head Drew, mcluggage ugle Hagen George Steven’s and now Finn. Reckon there would be others I don’t know about.

I'm sure Jonathon Brown will absolutely love him too

 

[Cam1870]

Nah man - a la Mumford

Nose beers?

 

[TimTime]

lol so number 1 pick fancy Finn O’Sullivan is from Koroit (Drew’s hometown).

The amount of talent that comes out of that warnabool area is insane for its size.

Just off the top of my head Drew, mcluggage ugle Hagen George Steven’s and now Finn. Reckon there would be others I don’t know about.

Billy Picken was from Macarthur which is in the area.

 

[Scodges]

He gets past 40 he's ours at this piont.

That's more likely than not.

I want him, he sounds like what we need up forward.


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[Honeyboy Wilson]

Gee whiz I wish we had a first rounder. Really starting to like this draft. Would love to get a Murphy Reid or a Hamish Davis. Reid quickly rising up draft boards and I feel like Davis will be at the pointy end come draft time.

Also, after delisting Kyle Marshall, I think Clancy Dennis would be a good replacement as a young key defender to develop. Damn good intercept mark and nice rebounding skills.