2024 Draft Thread.

[Mat Mann]

Draft Period, November 20–21

• Round 1 of the National Draft: Wednesday, November 20
• Round 2–end of the National Draft: Thursday, November 21
• Rookie Promotions: Thursday, November 21, after the National Draft
• Delisted Free Agency Period (3): Thursday, November 21, after the National Draft
• List Lodgement 3*: Friday, November 22, 10am (optional; required for those participating in the PSD)
• Pre-Season Draft: Friday, November 22, 3pm
• Rookie Draft: Friday, November 22, 3.20pm

 

[triggering bro]

I’m starting to warm to the idea of picking Allan if the rumour is true we are interested in him. Big athletic midfielder with a similar profile to Noah Anderson

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Noah Anderson

Age

23

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192cm

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88kg

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Mid

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Last 5

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12.0

3star

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6.0

2star

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6.0

4star

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2.0

2star

T

0.0

1star

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0.0

1star

D

12.0

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

6.0

3star

M

2.0

2star

T

0.0

1star

CL

0.0

1star

D

12.0

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

6.0

4star

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2.0

3star

T

0.0

1star

CL

0.0

1star

what’s not to like. I questioned the clubs choice selecting Nas. I’m not making that same mistake. I’ll back the club.

 

[Moorabbin Ghost]

I don't believe all this hogwash around personality types. What we REALLY need is highly talented players who are driven and competitive by nature. It doesn't matter if they are nice or not, introverted or extroverted.

If Billings were actually as talented as people thought, then his personality wouldn't have mattered.

A team full of extroverts would be just as bad as a team full of introverts; both have attributes that can be beneficial to athletic performance.

Studies show extroverts are better communicators, better leaders and motivators, and are often more positive people in general. However, introverts are more likely to listen and observe, follow a game plan, be more perfectionistic around their own training and performance, AND, surprisingly, are usually more focused and calm under pressure.

So, I don't think personality matters that much. It's better to have a mix and just have talented athletes.

Billings still the most talented player I’ve seen come through St Kilda in over 30 years, but for whatever reason he just couldn’t consistently deliver on match day. I still blame our coaching and the “Richo effect” on our poor development of highly talented youngsters through those years. To have such high picks and Richardson as coach was always a disaster waiting to happen.
Sure, there were some bad drafting decisions in hindsight but if you don’t have the right coach and development then these draftees are never going to achieve what they were capable of.
In my opinion Richo set us back 10 years at a time that we really couldn’t afford to get things wrong.

 

[botts]

I would bet we’re definitely taking Harry Armstrong, would be the reason we’ve let Members go, plus best mid available at the pick.

Disagree. I think we just think it’s time for the youngersters to step up. We won’t take Armstrong

 

[stavro#4]

I would bet we’re definitely taking Harry Armstrong, would be the reason we’ve let Members go, plus best mid available at the pick.

We told Membrey that with where we are at that players like Owens and Sharman would play before him and we only offered one year. Totally reasonable and sensible. We told him that we’d support him if he found a better opportunity elsewhere, which he has. Sensible list management and nothing to do with who me may draft.

Body was starting to fail him.

It’s a good move for him at the pies.

But it isn’t going to be the same Membrey necessarily

 

[stavro#4]

I’m starting to warm to the idea of picking Allan if the rumour is true we are interested in him. Big athletic midfielder with a similar profile to Noah Anderson what’s not to like. I questioned the clubs choice selecting Nas. I’m not making that same mistake. I’ll back the club.

Better be because we complete a small slide and gain draft capital.

The top 10 picks are worth a fortune right now and Allan isn’t projecting across any mocks there.

 

[g_TRAIN]

Billings still the most talented player I’ve seen come through St Kilda in over 30 years, but for whatever reason he just couldn’t consistently deliver on match day. I still blame our coaching and the “Richo effect” on our poor development of highly talented youngsters through those years. To have such high picks and Richardson as coach was always a disaster waiting to happen.
Sure, there were some bad drafting decisions in hindsight but if you don’t have the right coach and development then these draftees are never going to achieve what they were capable of.
In my opinion Richo set us back 10 years at a time that we really couldn’t afford to get things wrong.

I agree with the development issue we had. Personally I wouldn't make such a big call on his talent, I think he did lack in several area's.

That said I think you probably saw him up close more than I did.

Interestingly he has really disappointed for Melbourne so far given the clean run he had with injury last year. He played better for us than he did for them.

 

[GYoung]

 

[triggering bro]

Better be because we complete a small slide and gain draft capital.

The top 10 picks are worth a fortune right now and Allan isn’t projecting across any mocks there.

The only phantom form guide that matters is Twomey’s and he has him at 12 best. Our pick 8 will become pick 9 after Ashcroft is bid on, so not too much of a reach.

 

[stavro#4]

The only phantom form guide that matters is Twomey’s and he has him at 12 best. Our pick 8 will become pick 9 after Ashcroft is bid on, so not too much of a reach.

Again, you can slide back to 10 get something off Richmond and get them infront of Melbourne at 9

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

I agree with the development issue we had.

Personally I wouldn't make such a big call on his talent, I think he did lack in several area's.

That said I think you probably saw him up close more than I did.

Interestingly he has really disappointed for Melbourne so far given the clean run he had with injury last year. He played better for us than he did for them.

St Kilda broke Billings just like Melbourne broke Watts, Trengove and a number of others.

Super talented kids just drafted to the wrong club at the wrong time.

 

[SteeleSaints]

Again, you can slide back to 10 get something off Richmond and get them infront of Melbourne at 9

If Bo is our target it would definitely be worth asking the question of Richmond, but would we opening the door for Melbourne? Although they are pretty keen on key positional talent at their 2nd pick.

 

[stavro#4]

If Bo if our target it would definitely be worth asking the question of Richmond, but would we opening the door for Melbourne? Although they are pretty keen on key positional talent at their 2nd pick.

Smillie Langford Jagga Draper Tauru Armstrong Fos Lalor Reid Allan

If they are the top 10 live picks, you are landing a winner.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

Bo Allan write up

Bo Allan: WA's top draft talent is an AFL captain in waiting

There's something wonderfully old school about WA's top AFL draft talent Bo Allan. And in the space of two games at the National Championships, he has propelled himself into top-10 conversations, writes Jasper Chellappah.

www.espn.com.au

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June 25...

#theBoTrain

 

[SteeleSaints]

I think we have 5 slots currently after our commitments to Hall and the Zebs.
Cole and Hofmann plus 4 other picks doesn't fit. We'll also likely want at least 1 spot for a DFA, if not 2. I think they're all gone tbh.

Paton is gone IMO, Hotton and Hayes will be told to wait until after the draft period ala McKenzie last year. A lot will depend on bids on Cole & Hofmann but if there is available player/s late we want they will be moved on.

Also remembering we still need to find a ruckman somewhere in this period! We may have to use a pick later in the draft to grab Lachlan Blakiston before Geelong, if we are seriously into him. The other discussed option is Max Knobel, who we could grab as a DFA and leave the draft list spots vacant. I dont know where Knobel's development stands, but he and or Blakiston may not be as ready to step up?

Heath isnt ready to step up, but will benefit becoming the No 1 ruck in the VFL and be given a lot more minutes to build his tank/game. He is one of those players if you asked him to run 10 laps of the oval it becomes tough for him, but put a ball and opponent in front of him and he just wills himself to contests. Hopefully he can take some big leaps forward this year and get himself more prepared for the step up. Having Keeler play the 2nd ruck role, will also benefit his game and development. He looks a much more involved player when given bursts playing onball.

It would be a huge ask and risk expecting Marshall to carry the rucking workload alone again for the season. I also think King looks better with Marshall playing alongside and consequently our forward line functions better. IF we can grab a ruckman ready to fill the role if would allow Rowan to play more forward and Caminiti to settle into the CHB position, filling another list need. I dont know but perhaps Blakiston is the best option in that regard.

If Blakiston is our targetted player we are most likely going to have to find a pick between #32 and #45 to get ahead of Geelong, again depending on bids.

 

[akaifu]

Paton is gone IMO, Hotton and Hayes will be told to wait until after the draft period ala McKenzie last year. A lot will depend on bids on Cole & Hofmann but if there is available player/s late we want they will be moved on.

Also remembering we still need to find a ruckman somewhere in this period! We may have to use a pick later in the draft to grab Lachlan Blakiston before Geelong, if we are seriously into him. The other discussed option is Max Knobel, who we could grab as a DFA and leave the draft list spots vacant. I dont know where Knobel's development stands, but he and or Blakiston may not be as ready to step up?

Heath isnt ready to step up, but will benefit becoming the No 1 ruck in the VFL and be given a lot more minutes to build his tank/game. He is one of those players if you asked him to run 10 laps of the oval it becomes tough for him, but put a ball and opponent in front of him and he just wills himself to contests. Hopefully he can take some big leaps forward this year and get himself more prepared for the step up. Having Keeler play the 2nd ruck role, will also benefit his game and development. He looks a much more involved player when given bursts playing onball.

It would be a huge ask and risk expecting Marshall to carry the rucking workload alone again for the season. I also think King looks better with Marshall playing alongside and consequently our forward line functions better. IF we can grab a ruckman ready to fill the role if would allow Rowan to play more forward and Caminiti to settle into the CHB position, filling another list need. I dont know but perhaps Blakiston is the best option in that regard.

If Blakiston is our targetted player we are most likely going to have to find a pick between #32 and #45 to get ahead of Geelong, again depending on bids.

I don’t think Geelong will pick him with their first pick. They have their eyes on a couple of Falcons so Blakiston as a 26 year old who isn’t even that good is a massive reach anywhere inside top 60. He’s a rookie pick at best

Knobel had 50-25 hitouts to Blakiston H2H - I’m poaching him from the Dockers instead

 

[L_W_P]

Billings still the most talented player I’ve seen come through St Kilda in over 30 years, but for whatever reason he just couldn’t consistently deliver on match day. I still blame our coaching and the “Richo effect” on our poor development of highly talented youngsters through those years. To have such high picks and Richardson as coach was always a disaster waiting to happen.
Sure, there were some bad drafting decisions in hindsight but if you don’t have the right coach and development then these draftees are never going to achieve what they were capable of.
In my opinion Richo set us back 10 years at a time that we really couldn’t afford to get things wrong.

Billings the perfect example of all talent and no mongrel. Need a bit of campaigner about you to really thrive at the top.

 

[L_W_P]

Give me one of the GWS picks for our F1.

Pick 7 - Smillie
Pick 8 - Allan
Pick 16 - Trainor

Then grab a Sims or a ruck at 32.

Add in the NGA kids + Frankie Junior and we are all sweet.

 

[The Jack]

Does anyone think there will be any pick swaps pre draft? I'm talking early picks not late swaps or futures. Or do we think it's all going to happen on draft night? Anyone hearing anything?

Will be great viewing if it all happens on the night. Pressure will be on the likes of SOS and other list managers. Who will bite the bullet? Who will cave in? Who will pay way too much? Looking forward to it. Lets hope we make the right decisions.

 

[Saintos The ITK]

Disagree. I think we just think it’s time for the youngersters to step up. We won’t take Armstrong

I actually hope we go for two best mids but I feel there’s something cooking. But as Stav says Members is starting to fall apart so happy to be wrong.
Would actually be good to get one back on the pies.

 

[Tommy Wigs]

I don't believe all this hogwash around personality types. What we REALLY need is highly talented players who are driven and competitive by nature. It doesn't matter if they are nice or not, introverted or extroverted.

If Billings were actually as talented as people thought, then his personality wouldn't have mattered.

A team full of extroverts would be just as bad as a team full of introverts; both have attributes that can be beneficial to athletic performance.

Studies show extroverts are better communicators, better leaders and motivators, and are often more positive people in general. However, introverts are more likely to listen and observe, follow a game plan, be more perfectionistic around their own training and performance, AND, surprisingly, are usually more focused and calm under pressure.

So, I don't think personality matters that much. It's better to have a mix and just have talented athletes.

Clearly my comments were over simplified and a rant, so I wouldn’t be getting too overly concerned about an opinion on personality types on Big Footy.

But having said that, we have had an issue for a long time with the traits of who we have brought in and who we have left on the table. Certainly a couple of alpha types are well overdue, but perhaps more than anything a couple of genuine leaders that allow us to build around other talents. We may have made some inroads on the latter with recent draftees, but I’m not convinced we have anywhere enough on that front or even 1 or 2 that we can hang our hats on when things get tough.

Clubs fall and rise from year to year based around factors that are less to do with talent and more around belief, confidence and trust in each other. We’ll need to address that pretty quickly because we have generally had massive drop offs within years that IMO has been related to confidence rather than the media narrative that blames our drafting or talent levels every time we drop a couple of games.

 

[Tommy Wigs]

Billings was never a mid and the other guy accused of being a nice guy unassuming meek player was Clark who keeps getting impact injuries including a broken jaw and cheekbone by putting himself on the line and head over the ball.
It is a nice statement but it is a myth.

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Not sure either have or had any genuine leadership capability. Agree on Clark and head over the ball and that’s not what I had in mind. Steele puts his head over the ball, but if he’s the best leader we have then there’s really a long way to go.

 

[Tommy Wigs]

Does anyone think there will be any pick swaps pre draft? I'm talking early picks not late swaps or futures. Or do we think it's all going to happen on draft night? Anyone hearing anything?

Will be great viewing if it all happens on the night. Pressure will be on the likes of SOS and other list managers. Who will bite the bullet? Who will cave in? Who will pay way too much? Looking forward to it. Lets hope we make the right decisions.

Only 9-10 days until the pick swap window closes and re-opens for live trading on draft night. I suspect it will be on draft night unless we start to get murmurings soon.

 

[L_W_P]

If Blakiston is our targetted player we are most likely going to have to find a pick between #32 and #45 to get ahead of Geelong, again depending on bids.

Is it too much of a reach to just grab him at 32?

 

[akaifu]

Is it too much of a reach to just grab him at 32?

Categorically, yes. Recruiting him at all is already a question mark...wasting a second rounder is ridiculous

 

[SteeleSaints]

Is it too much of a reach to just grab him at 32?

I dont know enough about him, but we do need a ready to play ruckman. How high we take him is subjective I guess, I think we would prefer to grab him later.

As you projected ideally it would be great to grab Sims/Gerryn or a key defender like Barratt at #32.