2024 Draft Thread.

[Mat Mann]

Draft Period, November 20–21

• Round 1 of the National Draft: Wednesday, November 20
• Round 2–end of the National Draft: Thursday, November 21
• Rookie Promotions: Thursday, November 21, after the National Draft
• Delisted Free Agency Period (3): Thursday, November 21, after the National Draft
• List Lodgement 3*: Friday, November 22, 10am (optional; required for those participating in the PSD)
• Pre-Season Draft: Friday, November 22, 3pm
• Rookie Draft: Friday, November 22, 3.20pm

 

[goodie23]

A top group of 6 pure mids, and we have Pick 7...its the St Kilda way.

Worrying that this could be 2017 redux.

 

[stavro#4]

Are there any further details on this one?

No that’s the latest update.

No further along it seems.

 

[ScrappyDo]

Quick update on the (unofficial) BF phantom draft. SMH

10. Reid
11. Travaglia

(Smillie and Allan still available)

33. Dodson

46. Hofmann
(my personal favourite, using our own live pick to select our own NGA player)

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2024-phantom-draft-all-invited.1389034/post-85954356

 

[Significant]

Quick update on the BF phantom draft. SMH

10. Reid
11. Travaglia

(Smillie and Allan still available)

33. Dodson

46. Hofmann
(my personal favourite, using our own live pick to select our own NGA player)

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2024-phantom-draft-all-invited.1389034/post-85954356

That's the unofficial BF Phantom.

The official one is pinned to the top of the Draft board and is at about Pick 5 or 6: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2024-bigfooty-official-phantom-draft.1389183/

 

[goodie23]

Quick update on the BF phantom draft. SMH

10. Reid
11. Travaglia

(Smillie and Allan still available)

33. Dodson

46. Hofmann
(my personal favourite, using our own live pick to select our own NGA player)

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2024-phantom-draft-all-invited.1389034/post-85954356

Can happen, looks like it's our last live pick in that phantom and clubs have used them to pick up nominated players onto the main list before, eg: North taking Jackson Archer and Port taking Jase Burgoyne in the 2021 draft. If we want Cole, Peckett and/or Hofmann on the main list we may have to straight up select them late, especially since we only have one vacancy on Category B left (McLennan and O'Connoll take up the other two).

This board will burn much more brightly if we overlook Smillie

 

[ScrappyDo]

That's the unofficial BF Phantom.

The official one is pinned to the top of the Draft board and is at about Pick 5 or 6: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2024-bigfooty-official-phantom-draft.1389183/

Thanks. Fixed

 

[ScrappyDo]

Can happen, looks like it's our last live pick in that phantom and clubs have used them to pick up nominated players onto the main list before, eg: North taking Jackson Archer and Port taking Jase Burgoyne in the 2021 draft. If we want Cole, Peckett and/or Hofmann on the main list we may have to straight up select them late, especially since we only have one vacancy on Category B left (McLennan and O'Connoll take up the other two).

This board will burn much more brightly if we overlook Smillie

Yeah it can happen, but in this case there's still plenty of list spots left. It's just tossing a pick down the crapper.

 

[St Neil]

And if they do draft Tauru at 2, one of the famed pure mids slides to pick 7, then there is Bo Allan. Murphy Reid etc. Fair dinkum some posting on here can be so negative.
You are absolutely correct


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Correct Joff. We would then get access to one of the “big 6” of the mids. So win-win either way.

I’ve thought about the draft and I’m no longer phased by the prospect of all of Lalor, FOS, Draper, Langford, Smith and Smilie being drafted before we select with our pick 7.

In fact, perversely, it may create an opportunity.

Let’s say we draft Tauru with 7. Then clubs come for our pick 8. Probably GWS and Tigers.

Tigers may realistically offer 10/11 & 20/22. GWS might offer 15 & 16 with 32 coming back or just 15 & 21.

If Tigers offer 10/11 & 20/22 then 10/11 still looks attractive to GWS. If there are a number of players we fancy who will be there in the mid to late teens then trade-back again. Why not? Say, 10/11 & 32 for 15 & 16, or 10/11 for 15 & 21.

We would then have 15, 16 and 20/22 or 15, 20/22 & 21. Four first round picks in an even draft (if we include pick 7).

If (and it’s a big “if”) Allan, Hines, Reid, Gross, Dodson, Lindsay, Trainor and Hotton are there at those picks then we could get any combination of them. And those players could become the stars of the draft. Our guys will know better than we think we do.

The draft will play out the way it does. I trust Dalrymple to nail it for us. Whether it is trading-up (for pick 2) or trading-down (from pick 8). As supporters we shouldn’t myopically follow the consensus view as being the correct one.


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[GYoung]

 

[SteeleSaints]

Um pretty sure I know a bit more than you think

But you guys seem to think you have worked it out so I will not bother you again as I do not appreciate being abused

All i said was wow

How about you return to your board and give us a break....

 

[Moorabbin Ghost]

If worst case scenario is North keep pick 2 and Tauru is there at 7 then I think we’ll be very happy in a few years. The kid has something special about him and I can see why North are desperate for him.
And the disrespect for Reid amongst a lot of draft watchers is strange, sure he doesn’t have the stand out attributes a lot of the other top 10 kids do but I think he will become a plug and play AFL midfielder for a long time.
The more scenarios that get thrown around the more comfortable I am that whatever we do with 7/8 is going to end up very nicely for us.
And yes, another ruck is required on the list but I honestly believe big Moose will be smashing the door down for senior games next season. I still have very high hopes for him.

 

[Joffaboy]

Worrying that this could be 2017 redux.

2017 was a terrible draft, this has depth up to 30 plus

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[pebblesofsand]

That logic doesn’t work. How do you recruit for a future coach? When the future coach does come in he's required to work with what he has, and you back the current coach until he's gone. Then you back the new one.

True - but how do you recruit for a coach that may not be there in a couple of seasons.

In the end its all the job title.

List Manager - the one that manages the list

Coach - the one that coaches that list

Coach can have input into the type of player he wants but there's no way they should decide whether a specific player gets selected ahead of another.

 

[The Boar]

Correct Joff. We would then get access to one of the “big 6” of the mids. So win-win either way.

I’ve thought about the draft and I’m no longer phased by the prospect of all of Lalor, FOS, Draper, Langford, Smith and Smilie being drafted before we select with our pick 7.

In fact, perversely, it may create an opportunity.

Let’s say we draft Tauru with 7. Then clubs come for our pick 8. Probably GWS and Tigers.

Tigers may realistically offer 10/11 & 20/22. GWS might offer 15 & 16 with 32 coming back or just 15 & 21.

If Tigers offer 10/11 & 20/22 then 10/11 still looks attractive to GWS. If there are a number of players we fancy who will be there in the mid to late teens then trade-back again. Why not? Say, 10/11 & 32 for 15 & 16, or 10/11 for 15 & 21.

We would then have 15, 16 and 20/22 or 15, 20/22 & 21. Four first round picks in an even draft (if we include pick 7).

If (and it’s a big “if”) Allan, Hines, Reid, Gross, Dodson, Lindsay, Trainor and Hotton are there at those picks then we could get any combination of them. And those players could become the stars of the draft. Our guys will know better than we think we do.

The draft will play out the way it does. I trust Dalrymple to nail it for us. Whether it is trading-up (for pick 2) or trading-down (from pick 8). As supporters we shouldn’t myopically follow the consensus view as being the correct one.


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The thing is BF St Kilda is inventing a "Big 6" purely because we have Pick 7 and 8, think about it.

There are some absolute jets in this Draft but we can be woe-is-me at times (St Kilda conditioning). We dismiss Reid. Dismiss Tauru. Dismiss all similar picks. Because of a Top 6 we've invented in this thread.

We botched 2017, so we must botch 2024, despite an entire different administration.

It's a talented, deep Draft and we have 2x Top 10 Picks. Everyone breathe, Clubs would crawl over glass to be in our position. All will be well!

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[ScrappyDo]

True - but how do you recruit for a coach that may not be there in a couple of seasons.

In the end its all the job title.

List Manager - the one that manages the list

Coach - the one that coaches that list

Coach can have input into the type of player he wants but there's no way they should decide whether a specific player gets selected ahead of another.

For sure, but that's common knowledge and the reason walls exist between the two departments.
As has been spelled out in media releases the coach's input is to say "Find me players that suit my desired game style" which if fair enough IMHO. From there the list management weigh talent, position and capability for the best overall outcome. Hence it's a multi year strategy to make any significant changes.
Last year's draft showed this system in motion, knowing a kid like Lance Collard will take probably 3 years to come good shows the timespan of the thinking.

 

[akaifu]

I'll be happy with any balanced duo of:

Lalor
FOS
Jagga
Draper
Langford
Smillie
Tauru

Or one of the above in addition to two of:
Allan
Reid
Travaglia
Lindsay
Trainor
Hynes
Hotton
Berry
Armstrong
Shanahan

Which means, to me, it is almost impossible for us to screw this up

 

[Mangus]

My very amateur summary of the mids we could possibly maybe select and ignoring this crazy talk of key position players

Name	Details	Testing	Pick me	Devils Advocate	Type	My Preference
FOS	Height: 182cm D.O.B: 30-05-2006	Pre-Season 20m: 3.046 Vertical: 90cm Agility: 8.117 Yo-yo: 1000 Combine Agility: 8.14 20m: 2.99 2km: 6:28	Most skilled and complete football athlete. Has all the tools and natural gifts to be elite. Kicks goals high hurt factor per possession. Would add class and polish as well as plenty of run to our midfield. Is the Rolls Royce type mid that we will rarely get access to again this might be our only chance	Just doesn’t get enough of the pill on all the evidence this year Had the chance to show something in the back half of the year post injury and really just teased. No proven inside game looks pretty on the outside but we have that already Would cost 7 and F1st for us to get him Is an icing on the cake player when we need bake the cake first.	Best Case: Rozze Delidio McLuggage Worst Case: Aaron Fiora	Given it will take our F1 and 7 to get him I am not sure he is worth it. I would prefer if it was Lalor he has a different kind of match winning potential but Tigers will take him at 1 Might depend on who we anticipate getting to 7 & 8 because we will not have many more chances to fix our midfield I rate him and he fits the potential to be elite criteria I think we should be applying to these picks. Just not sure his strengths fit our main needs ie. Can he win clearances Also if he is a flop this will haunt us for years. Two wasted top 10 picks will make Billings and McCartin look like solid picks
Draper	Height: 182cm D.O.B: 05-07-2006	None	Running machine is fast and uses it to gain extra metres both out of stoppage and in general play High energy player committed tackler tackles and has a good contested game Will work hard to link up and be part of the chain Performed well against men in the SANFL as a midfielder Is a forward momentum player Physically ready to play mid next year	All energy but not much class lacks vision and is competent but fairly basic disposal and decision making Not sure he will ever be elite might be a more consistent version of Zac Jones Doesn’t hit the scoreboard Gets the ball a bit but not the huge accumulator like Jagga	Best Case: Judd Brayshaw Worst Case Zac Jones	Unlikely to get to us but some late phantoms have him drifting to our slot Point of difference for us is speed in the midfield so would seem an obvious fit and is a more proven midfield ball winner than the similarly quick Bo Allan I wonder though as Allan is 190 to Drapers 183 whether Allan translates better and has more potential with his size to be a mid that can burst out the front of stoppage regularly. A good fit for us and unlikely we would pass on him if he drifted to pick 7 Not a favourite of mine but like a couple of the others seems like a good fit and an instant improvement to our Round 1 team
Jagga	Height: 182cm D.O.B: 28-01-2006	Pre-Season 20m: 2.990 Vertical: 75cm Agility: 8.796 Yo-yo: 840 Combine Agility: 8.484 20m: 3.038 2km: 6:27	Ball pig will be a Fantasy Football must have. Will have games of 40 plus. Done it against men in the wet and wind at Williamstown Is as slippery as eel in traffic Possibly the purest mid in the draft Wins it on the inside and can be effective as part of the chain on the outside	Is as skinny as an anorexic teen model. Is the new Tom Mitchell will rack up meaningless stats that go nowhere. Can only play mid Jagga is not a real name lets not encourage a thousand new born Saints to be named Jagga	Best Case: Neale Worst Case: Tom Mitchell	Again unlikely to be available to us but some here keep posting scenarios that have him fall to us. No doubt we need a high accumulating mid someone that just finds the footy improves our stoppage game and sets our runners free. I just can’t see the elite player and I worry he is such a twig who doesn’t look like he will bulk up significantly and that might limit how good he can be. So not a favourite of mine but too good to overlook and would have to take him if he fell to us.
Smillie	Height: 195cm D.O.B: 17-05-2006	Pre-Season 20m: 3.093 Vertical: 73cm Agility: 8.501 Yo-yo: 72 Combine Agility: 8.391 20m: 3.09 2km: 6:38	Enormous for a Midfielder he is bigger than Plugger and Roo. Wins inside footy and has enough speed and strength to get the clearance. Has huge potential to be the best inside mid in the game if he can channel all that size and strength to be the physical beast he looks to be. Is also classy by foot and kicks goals from distance. Has the capability to grow his outside game significantly Huge possible upside	Looks like Tarzan plays like Jane (excuse the old school sexism) No real aerial game despite his height he just doesn’t seem to read the ball in the air to make use of that size. Season has tailed off after a dominant start and though still reasonable stats he did not stand out at the champs	Best Case: Cripps Fyfe Worst Case Setterfield	Was convinced he would get to us with all the initial talk of him sliding. Seems less certain now particularly if Richmond hold pick 6. Still want him the upside is huge he can certainly be a point of difference and alongside Pou would be a pretty awesome duo in 3 or 4 years with that size advantage. Take him if he slides for sure.
Langford	Height: 191cm D.O.B: 15-03-2006	Pre-Season 20m: 3.213 Vertical: 72cm Agility: 8.721 Yo-yo: 720 Combine Agility: 8.642 20m: 3.24 2km: 6:24	Big mid with the work rate and knack for finding the ball. Super consistent and kept defying all the knockers to raise into the top end of the draft. Has a bit of the Lenny Hayes Lenny Hayes Age 44 Ht 186cm Wt 85kg Pos. Mid Career Season Last 5 D 22.5 5star K 11.5 4star HB 11.0 5star M 3.7 4star T 5.0 5star CL 5.2 5star No current season stats available D 9.2 3star K 5.0 2star HB 4.2 4star M 1.6 2star T 0.4 3star ’ about him for mine. Puts his team on his back and does it week after week. Can go forward and take a big grab Has a long flat kick that can get past defences and generally uses it well. Is more accumulator than power mid but still has the size to impose himself at stoppages. Not quick but can run all day	No real standout skill how does he hurt you. Is SLOW kind of ruckman level slow based on his testing His athletic profile is really uninspiring and we have had plenty of slow mids at St Kilda can we really add another one. It doesn’t fill me with optimism that the two clubs seemingly keen are Adelaide and Melbourne two of the least inspiring draft records over the past couple of years IMO	Best Case: Hayes Mundy Worst Case: Josh Caddy 22 Josh Caddy Age 32 Ht 186cm Wt 87kg Pos. Mid Career Season Last 5 D 17.0 4star K 9.2 4star HB 7.8 5star M 3.6 4star T 3.5 5star CL 2.5 4star D 13.5 3star K 7.5 3star HB 6.0 3star M 4.8 4star T 1.5 2star CL 0.7 3star D 14.0 4star K 10.0 4star HB 4.0 3star M 4.2 4star T 4.0 5star CL 1.8 4star	One of the possible sliders though recent phantoms have Adelaide and Melb keen Not my favourite mainly because he doesn’t have that standout weapon but I can imagine he will quickly become a fan favourite where ever he lands just seems that kind of player everyone admires. Different kind of accumulator to Jagga but like him we would have to take him if he fell to us. Will give years of heart and soul service and possibly his impact will be greater than just his footy So not my preference but too good to ignore if he falls.
Reid	Height: 181cm D.O.B: 30-07-2006	Pre-Season 20m: 3.025 Vertical: 75cm Agility: 8.390 Yo-yo: 1000	Highest Footy IQ in the draft Quickest and cleanest hands Moves the ball on with speed Has tricks and uses them Releases teammates into space with timing and vision Is super consistent high possession player almost never has a bad game Kicks goals can play forward and has ability to create space and turn someone else’s fumble into a goal No reason why he can’t build his size he has a low centre of gravity already There is always a place in football for guys with that level of skill	Is short and skinny will get monstered in an AFL midfield Is a gambler always on offence often chooses a no look handball rather than wear the tackle Tackles as a last option and sweats on opposition mistakes rather than forcing them	Sam Mitchell DalSanto	Now this is my favourite because I choose to believe in all the good things he does and trust that he can be an AFL mid. I think he can be the player that sets up everyone else and elevates our clearance game to one that leads clear exits and to goals Very likely to be available at our pick and I would take him. Note however I want to pair him with a player that provides some more athletic traits and grunt so Smillie Allan Langford maybe. Not as keen on a Jagga + Reid combo. I fear we are one of the clubs who doubt him and he will slide past our pick
Allan	Height: 191cm D.O.B: 16-02-2006	Combine Agility: 7.94 20m: 2.99 2km: 6:37	Super Athlete fast agile tall and strong added to that can run all day Is the prototype midfielder athlete who can blossom with the right environment and time in the middle Already an AFL level defensive mid or HB and would add some much needed speed and power in our current midfield mix Is an aggressive tackler and explosive runner Ross would love him you imagine Is under the radar hidden away in WA and could be a steal with most phantoms to date just assuming he gets to West Coast Has a long kick and hits most targets on the short stuff the knocks on this can be cleaned up in a proper development environment and with more time in the middle. WA development leaves a lot to be desired these days.	All athlete without the midfield skill and craft This may be all there is to see a good athletic running HB who isn’t footy smart enough to do anything more than run in straight lines off the back flank His kicking and decision making are at best passable but some would say inferior. As much to do with decision making as technique	Best Case: Dangerfield Elliot Yeo 6 Elliot Yeo Age 31 Ht 191cm Wt 91kg Pos. D/M Career Season Last 5 D 19.5 5star K 11.7 4star HB 7.8 5star M 4.6 4star T 4.5 5star MG 377.9 5star D 18.9 4star K 10.9 4star HB 8.0 4star M 2.1 2star T 5.8 5star MG 287.4 4star D 16.6 4star K 9.4 4star HB 7.2 5star M 3.6 4star T 0.6 3star without the injuries Worst Case: Powell Pepper	Another favourite of mine in part because he is going to be available to us and I think he provides the Point of Difference we need in all the right ways. 1. Speed 2. Intensity and competitiveness 3. Size and he uses it You would need to project continued development on his craft but all indications are that he has a lot of scope for improvement Can play Round 1 complimented with a more skillful higher possession mid he has plenty of upside Is my preference if all the other fancied mids are gone
Lindsay	Height: 183cm D.O.B: 03-08-2006	Pre-Season 20m: 2.970 Vertical: 74cm Agility: 8.718 Yo-yo: 760	Is a lock to be a decent / very good AFL footballer Versatile can play all over the ground and has one of the best kicks in the draft Good runner – gets up and back and has enough speed to separate Shown he has scope in the midfield and can win his own ball but at a minimum he is a very good wing / flanker Accumulates well getting to good spots helping out in defence and linking up through the middle Good work rate and dependable / consistent performer	Doesn’t really stand out just does most things well I didn’t really even notice him when he was racking it up in the VM v VC game Does not provide anything new to our list we have a bunch of good wing/flankers who can run and kick well Not sure he ever really becomes a Mid has about as much chance of doing that as Darcy Wilson does and we already have Darcy There is no real spark here for me	Best Case: Jordan Dawson 12 Jordan Dawson Age 27 Ht 191cm Wt 91kg Pos. Mid Career Season Last 5 D 17.0 4star K 11.4 4star HB 5.7 4star M 4.8 5star T 2.8 4star CL 0.6 3star D 15.7 4star K 10.9 4star HB 4.9 3star M 2.9 3star T 2.0 3star CL 0.4 3star D 11.8 3star K 7.8 3star HB 4.0 3star M 5.0 5star T 3.0 5star CL 0.6 3star Worst Case: Christian Salem 3 Christian Salem Age 29 Ht 184cm Wt 81kg Pos. D/M Career Season Last 5 D 18.9 5star K 12.4 5star HB 6.5 4star M 3.6 4star T 3.1 5star MG 350.6 5star D 18.1 4star K 12.0 5star HB 6.1 4star M 3.9 4star T 2.1 3star MG 285.7 4star D 8.0 2star K 6.2 3star HB 1.8 2star M 2.6 3star T 2.0 4star	Not a want for me too similar to what we already have He will be available though and there are hints we like him so I fear he will be on our list More comfortable if we split 8 and he is one of those we take.
Travaglia	Height: 187cm D.O.B: 26-10-2006	Pre-Season 20m: 3.104 Vertical: 77cm Agility: 8.452 Yo-yo: 920 Combine Agility: 8.261 20m: 3.19 2km: 6:13	Really high level half back who just reads the incoming ball so well and defends with skill and class Gets in the right spots makes good decisions and can run and rebound as well as anyone Had some late cameos in the midfield and comparisons to Will Day which is why he is on this list. Good enough to be pick 8 as a HB he was the early bolter but talk seems to have died down with Tarau stealing his thunder	Not really a mid can we really bank on turning another HB into a midfielder HB is an area of strength so he should not be a priority for us unless we see him as a mid first	Best Case: Will Day Worst Case: Dylan Roberton 17 Dylan Roberton Age 33 Ht 194cm Wt 94kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 17.1 4star K 11.4 4star HB 5.8 4star M 4.8 5star T 1.9 4star MG 373.2 5star D 8.0 2star K 7.0 3star HB 1.0 1star M 1.0 1star T 0.0 1star MG 215.0 3star D 14.6 4star K 10.2 4star HB 4.4 4star M 4.6 5star T 1.6 4star	I think he is unlikely now the possible midfield potential is very speculative and he wont be around if we split 8 I really like him as a player – loved the way he played in the Champs and think he will have a great career. If he is best available at one of our picks I am ok with it but he is not a need and I would not be expecting him to be a mid.