2024 Draft Thread.

[Mat Mann]

Draft Period, November 20–21

• Round 1 of the National Draft: Wednesday, November 20
• Round 2–end of the National Draft: Thursday, November 21
• Rookie Promotions: Thursday, November 21, after the National Draft
• Delisted Free Agency Period (3): Thursday, November 21, after the National Draft
• List Lodgement 3*: Friday, November 22, 10am (optional; required for those participating in the PSD)
• Pre-Season Draft: Friday, November 22, 3pm
• Rookie Draft: Friday, November 22, 3.20pm

 

[stavro#4]

I'm not convinced that he's that much better that you'd want to overpay to move up.

I agree.

But 2-6 are all doing another round of interviews.

Sounds like he could be the man at #2 and we will throw an offer up.

Crows also like him - so maybe the Roos prefer to not slide down so far.

 

[gringo2011]

Is it enough?
Position reversed, would you accept that for pick 2?

I would if I wanted Tarau or a tall. That's a really good deal for them. They get the player they want and get a free first round pick. Potentially a top 4 picks even. We'd be stupid to pay it though.

 

[Yass03]

I'm not convinced that he's that much better that you'd want to overpay to move up.

Agreed, i rate lalor highly but i feel like a top 2 pick was a bit much for him. The only players I feel like suit top 2 picks are Draper and FOS.

 

[Saintscomemarchingin]

It's easy to work out who was shit in hindsight. A few top 10 players will be spuds or average even in a super draft, a couple more will sit around GOP level and a few will be stars or above average. If it's a really good draft a champion might come out of it.

There are always players that flop for a variety of reasons. Part of it is luck and a part of it is some kind of alchemy where the good recruiters seem to be able to spot elements others can't see.

This is a really deep draft with the chance to grab guns right through it. I'm not convinced the top end is absolute star material but very confident that we should be able to get at least one gun from this draft and anything on top of that is a bonus. A second high pick allows us to go one safe and one a bit more speculative but think even with our second round pick that there is a really solid chance of getting a very good player.

Media reports are? we take a mid & tall with picks 7 & 8, I agree, but think we split 8 & get two mids- two talls early in the draft as possible, then take nga's & Rookies as per list quota.

 

[CursingFijian]

Jagga 100%

There's a reason why Jagga's range is 1-7 and Reid's is 8-17

How does Jagga compare to Tsatas in your view?

 

[gringo2011]

Only 7 days to go.

Then, if we miss a top tier mid then this place will be wrecked. If we miss two top tier mids then forget about it, it’s over.

This will last two years until we have a sense of where the players are trending.

Then, if ours are no good, we will debate for 14 years like Hickey v Longer and McCartin v Trout.

But start with 7 days.

I just want top talent. We aren't going to be shit in the next couple of years due to a lack of young mids. If Phillipou and Windhager can become gun mids then we have to fit them around Macrae and Steele and rotate them. Hugo starts pushing for minutes and then we have Dow and Carrol types who are young and Jones and Clark as depth. We are going to struggle to fit pure mids so probably need adaptable dual position types as much as anything. Ewe can always chase guys like Hobbs and Ward if we get desperate anyway.

 

[Tommy Wigs]

During the trade period journos were doubting the tigers taking all their current picks to the draft and possibly trading one or two for picks in next years draft. I feel like, if true, that's something we should be capitalising on heavily.

I’m not sure anyone is capitalising. It will cost a fortune to nab any one of those picks unless there is something specific that they want (potentially pick slide from 8)

 

[Diehard Saint]

Winning against the Carlton VFL side after they shot themselves in the foot definitely turned heads and redefined our standing in the completion.

Truth lies somewhere in the middle amid the extremism as nothing happens in isolation.

The facts are,

• We desperately need an elite midfield
• Across a very broad no. of people far more knowledgeable than most on here rate the cream of midfielders 1-6
• Currently our first pick is 7.
• The competition is exceptionally compromised across the next 3-5 years.

It's understandable for people to be a bit bummed at the above. Is it the be all and end all absolutely not but if I was to go with a lot of the opposing sides argument I would trade both pick 7+8 for a plethora of 2nd round picks and

Seriously.
Nobody said that.
But winning is what matters and you have to start somewhere.
Carlton may have shot themselves in the foot, but as I recall we were leading the majority of the game. And we had nothing to play for, as opposed to them.

We all know we need mids, we’ve discussed it ad infinitum.
We also need to be a team that shows it will give its all every game in order to retain players ( NAS) and make ourselves attractive to others (LDU).
Winning is never a bad thing.

 

[gringo2011]

Media reports are? we take a mid & tall with picks 7 & 8, I agree, but think we split 8 & get two mids- two talls early in the draft as possible, then take nga's & Rookies as per list quota.

I'm easy either way. Can see logic in both. This is the first time most pieces are in place in the footy department to maximise drafting and development. I reckon it's the first time since old Bevo was running the show that I've felt confident going into a draft. It will probably shit on me now.

 

[akaifu]

No it's not. I would also say he is going better than MacKenzie taken at 7 as well, Clark at 8 and Gibney at 9 as well.
Cayman, Ashcroft, Sheezel and Wardlaw have probably shown more, but not by much.
If you are saying Tsatsas, Clark, MacKenzie and Gibney were all tier 1 it proves my point.
Anyway if we got Tauru he has been touted top 5, and Reid is just bagged by some for their ego's. I have been keen on Reid since the champs and nothing has changed my mind.

Convenient for your argument Holland was selected 11 in 2022.



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If you think I'm making up bs by stating that Pou and Hollands were different tiers then idk what to say to you because to me, it was clear as day and emphasised by all draft gurus. Hewett was the only one from tier 2 who was a chance to be taken before any of the guys that went 1-10

Fair enough Cad Ash Sheez & Law were tier 1. But Tsatas to Phillipou were clearly the same tier among that group of players - it was just that Geelong was wedded to the Geelong falcon and West Coast were wedded to the WA boy which meant Pou was either pick 5,7, or 10. Lucky for us, he slid to 10. This wouldn't be the case for the likes of Allan and Reid - we would be picking them at the top of their range because they are consensus tier 2

I'd be happy with Tauru but underwhelmed by Allan and/or Reid as our only mids

"Reid is bagged by some for their egos" - most ironic thing I've read. Lets argue facts. The highest rank for Reid by ANY media outlet is number 5 (RMC). Cal rates him at 6, but is on record stating that Reid's range is 7-17.

 

[Joffaboy]

Let it go Joff. 5&6>7&8 (Especially in this draft). We all understand your stance, but the world wouldn’t have ended for us if we lost that game. This loser mentality stuff is a crock of shit tbh.

To want to lose a game is the very definition and literally a loser mentality.

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[gringo2011]

Seriously.
Nobody said that.
But winning is what matters and you have to start somewhere.
Carlton may have shot themselves in the foot, but as I recall we were leading the majority of the game. And we had nothing to play for, as opposed to them.

We all know we need mids, we’ve discussed it ad infinitum.
We also need to be a team that shows it will give its all every game in order to retain players ( NAS) and make ourselves attractive to others (LDU).
Winning is never a bad thing.

I probably wanted to tank the year before but it worked out really well regardless. Sometimes momentum and energy attract some kind of cosmic power where things just start to fall into place. It definitely feels much more like that at the moment. We could turn anything we touched to shit for years but there is real positive momentum forming now. ****ing with the cosmic forces only gets the footy gods angry again.

 

[gringo2011]

If you think I'm making up bs by stating that Pou and Hollands were different tiers then idk what to say to you because to me, it was clear as day and emphasised by all draft gurus. Hewett was the only one from tier 2 who was a chance to be taken before any of the guys that went 1-10

Fair enough Cad Ash Sheez & Law were tier 1. But Tsatas to Phillipou were clearly the same tier among that group of players - it was just that Geelong was wedded to the Geelong falcon and West Coast were wedded to the WA boy which meant Pou was either pick 5,7, or 10. Lucky for us, he slid to 10. This wouldn't be the case for the likes of Allan and Reid - we would be picking them at the top of their range because they are consensus tier 2

I'd be happy with Tauru but underwhelmed by Allan and/or Reid as our only mids

"Reid is bagged by some for their egos" - most ironic thing I've read. Lets argue facts. The highest rank for Reid by ANY media outlet is number 5 (RMC). Cal rates him at 6, but is on record stating that Reid's range is 7-17.

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This one is much harder to put in a cohesive order though. As you can see with players like Lombard who is rated from 5 to 13 and Reid 5 to 18. Only Jagga and Ashcroft are rated consensus top 5.

 

[akaifu]

How does Jagga compare to Tsatas in your view?

Tsatas' kicking is his biggest problem and will be the reason why he either succeeds or flops at AFL level

Jagga is more well-rounded but doesn't have the ceiling that Tsatas had in his draft year

Basically, Tsatas more high risk high reward

 

[gringo2011]

I could very much live with that.

Although I’d prefer Shanahan to Armstrong.

I love big Shannas. He seems like something out of 90s footy. Needs to get a G-Train mullet.

 

[joydivision22]

If you think I'm making up bs by stating that Pou and Hollands were different tiers then idk what to say to you because to me, it was clear as day and emphasised by all draft gurus. Hewett was the only one from tier 2 who was a chance to be taken before any of the guys that went 1-10

Fair enough Cad Ash Sheez & Law were tier 1. But Tsatas to Phillipou were clearly the same tier among that group of players - it was just that Geelong was wedded to the Geelong falcon and West Coast were wedded to the WA boy which meant Pou was either pick 5,7, or 10. Lucky for us, he slid to 10. This wouldn't be the case for the likes of Allan and Reid - we would be picking them at the top of their range because they are consensus tier 2

I'd be happy with Tauru but underwhelmed by Allan and/or Reid as our only mids

"Reid is bagged by some for their egos" - most ironic thing I've read. Lets argue facts. The highest rank for Reid by ANY media outlet is number 5 (RMC). Cal rates him at 6, but is on record stating that Reid's range is 7-17.

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That consensus chart has him at pick 9 with Armstrong ahead of him so hopefully we would prefer Reid at 8.

If we hold both picks and Draper slides to us, I’d be okay with Reid at 8, pretty complimentary combination of midfield attributes.

 

[Joffaboy]

If you think I'm making up bs by stating that Pou and Hollands were different tiers then idk what to say to you because to me, it was clear as day and emphasised by all draft gurus. Hewett was the only one from tier 2 who was a chance to be taken before any of the guys that went 1-10

Fair enough Cad Ash Sheez & Law were tier 1. But Tsatas to Phillipou were clearly the same tier among that group of players - it was just that Geelong was wedded to the Geelong falcon and West Coast were wedded to the WA boy which meant Pou was either pick 5,7, or 10. Lucky for us, he slid to 10. This wouldn't be the case for the likes of Allan and Reid - we would be picking them at the top of their range because they are consensus tier 2

I'd be happy with Tauru but underwhelmed by Allan and/or Reid as our only mids

"Reid is bagged by some for their egos" - most ironic thing I've read. Lets argue facts. The highest rank for Reid by ANY media outlet is number 5 (RMC). Cal rates him at 6, but is on record stating that Reid's range is 7-17.

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Was stated by others that media had Reid in the top 5, so it is all subjective opinion, not fact. Doneone else debunked your ratings in the Phillipou draft as well.
As for irony the only thing you could do on the Reid video someone put up was to blithely disparage a missed handball so no agenda there.
Forgive me if I don't give your opinion on a player you obviously have it in for much credence.

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[akaifu]

This one is much harder to put in a cohesive order though. As you can see with players like Lombard who is rated from 5 to 13 and Reid 5 to 18. Only Jagga and Ashcroft are rated consensus top 5.

We are not talking about a top 5. We are talking about a top 6...7 if you want to include Ashcroft

In this case, Ashcroft, Jagga, FOS, Lalor are all unanimously top 7. Then you have Draper who ranges from 2-10, Langford from 3-10, and Smillie from 7-8

Reid ranges from 5-18, Allan from 9-19

If you don't believe me, then believe the numbers determined by guys who are paid to have an opinion on this

 

[Joffaboy]

Tsatsas could have the skill of Harley Reid and the pace and tank of Darcy Wilson and it wouldn't matter if what I heard about his attitude and desire is what it is.

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[The Jack]

To want to lose a game is the very definition and literally a loser mentality.

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We’ve been losers for 150 years. What’s one game matter ffs. As I’ve said numerous times, I loved the win, it was nirvana for 5 minutes.

 

[akaifu]

Was stated by others that media had Reid in the top 5, so it is all subjective opinion, not fact. Doneone else debunked your ratings in the Phillipou draft as well.
As for irony the only thing you could do on the Reid video someone put up was to blithely disparage a missed handball so no agenda there.
Forgive me if I don't give your opinion on a player you obviously have it in for much credence.

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No, I just thought it was funny that it's clear that Reid fans completely ignore his deficiencies in favour of the flashy stuff he does. Eye candy

Literally one media outlet has Reid top 5. I already acknowledged that. But again, refer to the screenshot I sent

 

[gringo2011]

I still don’t think Lalor is a genuine mid, so there’s that.

I'm not even convinced Smilie ends up a mid either. He probably does but potentially a third tall or tall utility in the Wood mould. Potentially another Owens type even.

The top picks guys I see making it as proper mids are Ashcroft, Jagga, Draper, O'Sullivan, Langford, Lombard and probably Lindsay. The rest all have at least one question mark over them. Guys like Reid and Allen probably do but maybe not.

 

[akaifu]

I'm not even convinced Smilie ends up a mid either. He probably does but potentially a third tall or tall utility in the Wood mould. Potentially another Owens type even.

The top picks guys I see making it as proper mids are Ashcroft, Jagga, Draper, O'Sullivan, Langford, Lombard and probably Lindsay. The rest all have at least one question mark over them. Guys like Reid and Allen probably do but maybe not.

Why Lindsay and not Smillie?

 

[gringo2011]

I’m not high on him in general. But he is about to go top 2 and likely pick 1

If he comes on he's definitely got elements of those impact forward mids like Trac, Dusty and JDG, if he doesn't make it I think he could end up a bit of a poor mans Jake Stringer. I'm just not confident that he's got enough to go chips in on him.

 

[Joffaboy]

We’ve been losers for 150 years. What’s one game matter ffs. As I’ve said numerous times, I loved the win, it was nirvana for 5 minutes.

I wrote on the game thread, that it was the funniest and saddest thing I had seen in football at the same time.
My beef is the constant moaning and victim mentality about one game. It is incredibly defeatist.
Maybe because my boyhood and lifelong rl team has won 5 flags since 1980, that I can't accept anything but winning. Winning the game is what it is all about not theorising about underdeveloped 18 y.o's and the subjective opinion on possible 'potential'.

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